NationStates

I enjoyed taking part in it but this:

Defenderdom looks as strong as ever

Is hilariously wrong. With over 1100 regions at least currently carrying TBR tags, actual update defending reduced to 1 person, and raiders managing to hold 6 regions at once without defender success during the month of October, the last three months have maybe been the worse three months for defending I've ever seen.

We/You did a liberation. Well done. Now get defending.

Hm, so a few people have come out of the retirement home to raise their flag on the flagpole.

Lovely to see. However, that is one operation - I would hardly term you as "unified", only as "barely alive".

Activity is nice to see though, might give people something interesting to focus on rather than political squabbles.

Oh wow, I wish I could have been three for that.

the Imperial Crown wrote:Hm, so a few people have come out of the retirement home to raise their flag on the flagpole.

Lovely to see. However, that is one operation - I would hardly term you as "unified", only as "barely alive".

Activity is nice to see though, might give people something interesting to focus on rather than political squabbles.

Someone seems ... bitter? Hah.

Congratulations to all that took part; a truly magnificent display from the forces of justice in NS!

Couldn't a rewording come in handy here?

Every defender organisations remaining forces managed to liberate a region held by
(1) raider org
(1) tiny group of roleplayers

It's common knowledge that it's more difficult to acquire updaters than it is to acquire pilers. But congratz on realising that.

the Imperial Crown wrote:Hm, so a few people have come out of the retirement home to raise their flag on the flagpole.

Lovely to see. However, that is one operation - I would hardly term you as "unified", only as "barely alive".

Activity is nice to see though, might give people something interesting to focus on rather than political squabbles.

Also, how's that R/D neutrality thing going for you Raven?

Vakolic wrote:Couldn't a rewording come in handy here?

Every defender organisations remaining forces managed to liberate a region held by
(1) raider org
(1) tiny group of roleplayers

You mean 1) raider org, 2) more raiders.

Meow Zedong wrote:

Vakolic wrote:Couldn't a rewording come in handy here?

Every defender organisations remaining forces managed to liberate a region held by
(1) raider org
(1) tiny group of roleplayers

You mean 1) raider org, 2) more raiders.

No, 1 raider org, and 1 tiny group of roleplayers.

Vakolic wrote:

Meow Zedong wrote:
You mean 1) raider org, 2) more raiders.

No, 1 raider org, and 1 tiny group of roleplayers.

Does it really matter if some of the raiders RP in their spare time?

Are you telling me that every relevant defender organisation currently active had to all team up for a single victory?

Liberations can be worthwhile, but the outpouring of fervour here...it's like you haven't had a win in a while or something.

Anumia wrote:Are you telling me that every relevant defender organisation currently active had to all team up for a single victory?

Liberations can be worthwhile, but the outpouring of fervour here...it's like you haven't had a win in a while or something.

Welcome to the realities of piling.

Karputsk wrote:

Anumia wrote:Are you telling me that every relevant defender organisation currently active had to all team up for a single victory?

Liberations can be worthwhile, but the outpouring of fervour here...it's like you haven't had a win in a while or something.

Welcome to the realities of piling.

Seems to me that if you guys were better at the initial defence this wouldn't be a problem...alternately, since piling requires a large investment of raider resources, the defenders could take the time to fan out for a few updates and release multiple other regions that are not piled, before coming in to fight the pile.

Defenders cannot be entirely reactionary, allowing raiders to entirely set the course of in-game warfare, and expect to make much ground.

Charax wrote:

the Imperial Crown wrote:Hm, so a few people have come out of the retirement home to raise their flag on the flagpole.

Lovely to see. However, that is one operation - I would hardly term you as "unified", only as "barely alive".

Activity is nice to see though, might give people something interesting to focus on rather than political squabbles.

Also, how's that R/D neutrality thing going for you Raven?

Oh wonderfully thank you, Charax. I am a little tired of being backstabbed by defenders so frequently though.

It's very hard to be neutral when one faction constantly backstabs you - I'm not entirely sure what the defenders gain by pushing me towards the Raiders and Imperialists seeing as I was quite determined to stay out of Gameplay politics once upon a time.

Alas, perhaps I am simply a bad choice of character to trust unsavoury characters, seeing as I had a defender-heavy private channel of people I believed were friends.

Alas, I am late to realise this - that there can be no friendships that gameplay does not come before.

Everyone hates the last person to backstab them.

Charax wrote:Oh wow, I wish I could have been three for that.

It was a lot of clicking friend hail Olympus

Anumia wrote:Seems to me that if you guys were better at the initial defence this wouldn't be a problem...alternately, since piling requires a large investment of raider resources, the defenders could take the time to fan out for a few updates and release multiple other regions that are not piled, before coming in to fight the pile.

Defenders cannot be entirely reactionary, allowing raiders to entirely set the course of in-game warfare, and expect to make much ground.

Anumia - there are thousands of regions to invade. Eventually a region is going to be held and when it is held, it's in way more danger than a region under distress from a tag-raid.

Anumia wrote:Defenders cannot be entirely reactionary

You mean "reactive".

Karputsk wrote:

Anumia wrote:Are you telling me that every relevant defender organisation currently active had to all team up for a single victory?

Liberations can be worthwhile, but the outpouring of fervour here...it's like you haven't had a win in a while or something.

Welcome to the realities of piling.

Pull the other one.

In Octoberrm raiders held 6 regions at the same time. Are you really going to claim that they were all piled to the extent that defenders couldn't even mount a liberation attempt?

Further to that, how does piling prevent defenders defending?

Oh boy, could you imagine if raiders would celebrate this much after getting a single victory or working together?

With all the victories we achieve, it would get pretty tiring.

Let the Defenders have their celebration. They've not had something to be happy about in a good long while.

Solorni wrote:Oh boy, could you imagine if raiders would celebrate this much after getting a single victory or working together?

Have you seen TBR's tag raid thread?

Unibot III wrote:

Solorni wrote:Oh boy, could you imagine if raiders would celebrate this much after getting a single victory or working together?

Have you seen TBR's tag raid thread?

I've got to agree with my compadre on this one. If TBR is allowed to gloat that much after putting graffiti on 40+ backwaters, I think we deserve this for winning a liberation
Also, if people would remember, this is our usual reaction to successful big liberations. Sadly we just haven't had enough of them lately, which I believe is the topic we're now discussing.


My two cents on the issue is, replying to StGeorge, that we simply can't be arsed to stay up for a Major and Minor Update every day with the numbers to spot and stop raids. For example, let's take the Asia raid. I believe TBR prided themselves in 10+ updaters. It's impossible to have a team of 10+ online at every update watching for Invasions. We have lives too, you know. I think you forget to account, Georgie, that updates for folks like the Eastern Timezone North Americans are late at night and at a time when we're usually eating lunch/in school/at work. For those in GMT, it's even worse. The fact of the matter is, we have these things called Real Lives that prevent us from being able to constantly field a force at update time. Hell, the only reason I'm up during update time is *because* I'm still doing all the Work/Homework that I have piled up from the day.
Please be realistic in your demands.

There is, and always will be, one fundamental difference. Defenders have to be there, awake and ready every single update if they want to make a reasonable difference. They don't know if raiders will show up. Raiders get to pick and choose the updates where they go out, and they can spend 2 weeks organising and finding a good time/update for those 10 people if you like. Raiders doing nothing for 3 updates is no big deal - if defenders lives intervene during 3 updates where the raiders are about, then they lose them all. Yes, there haven't been many defenders about but it's been a very poor r/d atmosphere for quite some time and it's easy to get disillusioned with it all.