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by The United Territory of Earth » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:28 pm
by The North Polish Union » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:32 pm
The United Territory of Earth wrote:Raiders have recently been going for small hit regions just to get their name out there. It would be pointless for defenders to defend these regions anyhow, so the hundreds of TBR regions you see out there are not always losses, but usually blanketed territory over already desolate or spare regions.
Id like to see the defenders working more with the Pacific's. It seems like the Pacific's are more independent than defender these days.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
by Karputsk » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:18 pm
Anumia wrote:Karputsk wrote:Welcome to the realities of piling.
Seems to me that if you guys were better at the initial defence this wouldn't be a problem...alternately, since piling requires a large investment of raider resources, the defenders could take the time to fan out for a few updates and release multiple other regions that are not piled, before coming in to fight the pile.
Defenders cannot be entirely reactionary, allowing raiders to entirely set the course of in-game warfare, and expect to make much ground.
by Beta Test » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:24 pm
by Mad Jack » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:50 pm
Tim-Opolis wrote:-snip-
by Tim-Opolis » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:51 pm
Mad Jack wrote:Tim-Opolis wrote:-snip-
Just because you said arsed rather than assed doesn't mean I'll take it easy on you
Hang on, you can't simultaneously crow about getting 40+ guys against 20+ guys and also claim Real LifeTM is the reason you can't defend. According to this Asia updates at around 52 minutes into update. Now what were most of those guys who were online doing for the 40 or so minutes beforehand (update being what it is in defender IRC rooms, I doubt anything would get done for 10-15 minutes before a lib )?
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by Mad Jack » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:52 pm
Tim-Opolis wrote:You know #udl as well as I do.
They were spamming and chatting up until minutes before the Move Time was given
by Charax » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:59 pm
the Imperial Crown wrote:Charax wrote:Also, how's that R/D neutrality thing going for you Raven?
Oh wonderfully thank you, Charax. I am a little tired of being backstabbed by defenders so frequently though.
It's very hard to be neutral when one faction constantly backstabs you - I'm not entirely sure what the defenders gain by pushing me towards the Raiders and Imperialists seeing as I was quite determined to stay out of Gameplay politics once upon a time.
Alas, perhaps I am simply a bad choice of character to trust unsavoury characters, seeing as I had a defender-heavy private channel of people I believed were friends.
Alas, I am late to realise this - that there can be no friendships that gameplay does not come before.
by Anumia » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:22 am
Tim-Opolis wrote:
I've got to agree with my compadre on this one. If TBR is allowed to gloat that much after putting graffiti on 40+ backwaters, I think we deserve this for winning a liberation
Also, if people would remember, this is our usual reaction to successful big liberations. Sadly we just haven't had enough of them lately, which I believe is the topic we're now discussing.
My two cents on the issue is, replying to StGeorge, that we simply can't be arsed to stay up for a Major and Minor Update every day with the numbers to spot and stop raids. For example, let's take the Asia raid. I believe TBR prided themselves in 10+ updaters. It's impossible to have a team of 10+ online at every update watching for Invasions. We have lives too, you know. I think you forget to account, Georgie, that updates for folks like the Eastern Timezone North Americans are late at night and at a time when we're usually eating lunch/in school/at work. For those in GMT, it's even worse. The fact of the matter is, we have these things called Real Lives that prevent us from being able to constantly field a force at update time. Hell, the only reason I'm up during update time is *because* I'm still doing all the Work/Homework that I have piled up from the day.
Please be realistic in your demands.
by Tim-Opolis » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:16 pm
Anumia wrote:Impossible to have a team of 10+ online (perhaps not -every- update but at least for most)? You pulled in nine defender groups, plus help from the NSA to make ten, representing a total of more than ten whole regions, for this mission...and you cannot scrape together ten to twenty updaters between all ten defender groups combined?
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by Unibot III » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:06 pm
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Beta Test » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:12 pm
by Benevolent Thomas » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:59 pm
Tim-Opolis wrote: For example, let's take the Asia raid. I believe TBR prided themselves in 10+ updaters. It's impossible to have a team of 10+ online at every update watching for Invasions.
Ballotonia wrote:Personally, I think there's something seriously wrong with a game if it willfully allows the destruction of longtime player communities in favor of kids whose sole purpose is to enjoy ruining the game for others.
by Unibot III » Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:14 pm
Benevolent Thomas wrote:Tim-Opolis wrote: For example, let's take the Asia raid. I believe TBR prided themselves in 10+ updaters. It's impossible to have a team of 10+ online at every update watching for Invasions.
Unfortunately, I think there was enough defenders on that night to stop the Asia raid. Perhaps not though, it was a really nice trigger. A far better deployment than when they tried Japan earlier on in the update. Take it from someone that ended up being on the ban list
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Anumia » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:30 pm
Tim-Opolis wrote:Anumia wrote:Impossible to have a team of 10+ online (perhaps not -every- update but at least for most)? You pulled in nine defender groups, plus help from the NSA to make ten, representing a total of more than ten whole regions, for this mission...and you cannot scrape together ten to twenty updaters between all ten defender groups combined?
Yes, sadly it's true. One of the things not mentioned in the update is that a lot of those people were sleeper deployed into the region, specifically because they could not make that update for whatever reason (RL, can't do updates, etc). Another fairly large bit of them were part of our non-WA team; people who were WA immobile but still wanted to help with the operation. So, in the end, yeah... we don't have enough regular updaters to defend with 10+ most updates
edit: This isn't accounting for TITO's potential troops each update. I'm unsure of their regular numbers, and can't speak for that.
Unibot III wrote:Or, maybe this (almost desperate) negative spin from Anumia, MadJack and co. is bullshit, because it makes a lot of sense to prioritize stopping occupations when they occur: regions are in greater danger in occupations than they are just in the initial tag.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but in Anumia and MadJack's world, one unrelated wrong makes other rights, wrongs!
by Solorni » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:34 am
by Frattastan II » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:23 pm
<@Guy> well done, fuckhead.
* @Guy claps for frattastan
by Sedgistan » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:53 pm
Solorni wrote:Eh, it's the gameplay forum
by Cerlon » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:58 pm
Anumia wrote:Did you -read- the massive fanfare about this one liberation? The desperation is wafting over from that direction.
by Mahaj » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:41 pm
Cerlon wrote:Comments about UDL'ers staying up late and other fundamentally weird remarks are typical for a shameless socialite "player" like Solorni. I wouldn't be optimistic about seeing a change any time soon. Snide comments and mechanisms such as smilies and faux ignorance are tactics regularly exercised by Rach to promote her political and social standing amongst ignorant players and opportunists that wish to leach off of her "success". It's been a gold mine for her for years, which is a shame because that essentially reflects the unsophisticated, uninteresting sort of political/social atmosphere that she (though she is by no means the only guilty party) has fostered in GP.
It's also no surprise that she doesn't use actual arguments -- I've seen her try to be logical before and she tends to embarrass herself in her attempts to do so. Her attacks on Unibot have been so persistent because putting down Unibot is a politically convenient means of both being cannon fodder for her superior's sophisticated side of debates that are beyond her apparent capabilities and gaining political popularity amongst socialites, and because Unibot, unlike many NSers, isn't very good at defending himself. He's an easy target and she's a shameless viper. Aside from that, in another instance she tried to play dumb and make snide comments about Lazarus shutting down relations with Balder, and her inability to logically respond to being called out on her deflections resulted in the Lazarene embassy being given unusually restrictive permissions after it was archived, presumably so that her diplomatic incompetence wouldn't be mocked ad infinitum by future readers or used as a reference for when she's been called out on her transparently weightless style of play. Her strength in this game has arisen from her tendency to put other people down to make herself look better, being a crafty neutral with social maneuvering and raiding as her only real skills, and being a lapdog to more influential players like NES. Expecting meaningful contribution from her is no more futile and humorous than asking your refrigerator to write a dissertation on string theory.
Don't be surprised if and when this post is addressed substantially by the players she relies on for the political support and contributive arguing skill that she lacks.
<Koth> I'm still going by the assumption that Mahaj is Unibot's kid brother or something
Kandarin(Naivetry): You're going to have a great NS career ahead of you if you want it, Mahaj. :)
<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations
by Solorni » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:42 pm
by Unibot III » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:47 pm
Solorni wrote:I can use actual arguments, but [...]
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Cerlon » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:48 pm
Solorni wrote:I can use actual arguments, but people like you and Unibot aren't deserving of them. I enjoy how you call me a socialite player, when the NPO is the guiltiest party of petty social politics (one only has to look at their whole gossip page on NES). The only party embarrassed by the Lazarus/Balder split was Lazarus. It's arguments had no weight and were poor beyond belief. Sometimes, it's beneath you. It's no wonder NPO members such as yourself are consigned to the regions in NS with the lowest activity.
I do love the personal attacks on my person, given how you call me a "viper". Let's not try to be too obvious with the hypocrisy.
by Cerlon » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:53 pm
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