NationStates News Express: News on the Run

[Mahaj]

Unibot definitely does. He's just not very good at it

Is there a reason why all of your posts are Unibot-hating? lol

I also recall JAL, (the one controlling Douria) agreeing to stepping down as delegate, and thus ending the siege. Not to say that the UDL wasn't trying to help, as quite a few of us were. It's likely of all the "groups" who was trying, the UDL was likely one of the biggest, and a very good chance of being the biggest.

What the UDL especially helped with was the maneuver to remove Douria from the region, after Cormac discovered (or at least thought) that his Imp buddies wouldn't be of any help for that.

Admittedly he did cry about accepting our help the entire time.

[Cerian Quilor]

Given that A) She's right, and B) They're on opposite sides

Its not really an issue.

[The Dourian Embassy]

Hey, I had fun. I've stepped back from my mustache twirling in the mean time(which was over the top even for me), but this stuff really makes me smile anyway. If I had one regret from that coup it's that I didn't get more than a few(literally like 4) banjections in personally.

But I really really didn't want to spoil the influence and had no idea what I was doing in the gameplay aspect... so yeah I didn't wanna risk it. Taking that whole month off instead was a much better choice(against all odds, the Dwarf Fortress I started just after I couped is still up and running, I don't play it too much these days though... and it's a bit laggy now).

Besides, I think JAL did alright on the banjections. These days, I believe the scheduled elections for Cormac's term should've been in October right? Until the government got overthrown?

[Whamabama]

I also recall JAL, (the one controlling Douria) agreeing to stepping down as delegate, and thus ending the siege. Not to say that the UDL wasn't trying to help, as quite a few of us were. It's likely of all the "groups" who was trying, the UDL was likely one of the biggest, and a very good chance of being the biggest.

What the UDL especially helped with was the maneuver to remove Douria from the region, after Cormac discovered (or at least thought) that his Imp buddies wouldn't be of any help for that.

Admittedly he did cry about accepting our help the entire time.

Not bashing on the UDL. Not saying they don't deserve any credit for that. They do. However in this case it was diplomacy that ended the fight, and not military forces. Which is a good thing, as it shows that this game is more than simple WA war. Osiris could have been held for much longer than it was, if that was the case.

[The Dourian Embassy]

Not bashing on the UDL. Not saying they don't deserve any credit for that. They do. However in this case it was diplomacy that ended the fight, and not military forces. Which is a good thing, as it shows that this game is more than simple WA war. Osiris could have been held for much longer than it was, if that was the case.

Yes and no. The lesson I got from this is that no quarter should be given. If you try to negotiate, you'll just get stabbed in the back by people who are absolutely sure of their righteousness(because let's be honest, you stabbed them in the back first... right?).

One hopes that lesson wasn't lost on others.

[Whamabama]

Yes and no. The lesson I got from this is that no quarter should be given. If you try to negotiate, you'll just get stabbed in the back by people who are absolutely sure of their righteousness(because let's be honest, you stabbed them in the back first... right?).

One hopes that lesson wasn't lost on others.

Actually you have a few lessons you have failed to learn then.

If you believe that you will only know failure in your life, as everyone will be leary of you, and never trust you. You will always be alone. and never have a chance to be in a position to worry about giving quarter. If you ever find yourself again in that position, it will be you against everybody else, and that's a no win scenario. It's only through the ability to negotiate, and compromise with others that you learn to be a member of a team, and have others willing to back you in your time of need.

[The Dourian Embassy]

Yes and no. The lesson I got from this is that no quarter should be given. If you try to negotiate, you'll just get stabbed in the back by people who are absolutely sure of their righteousness(because let's be honest, you stabbed them in the back first... right?).

One hopes that lesson wasn't lost on others.

Actually you have a few lessons you have failed to learn then.

If you believe that you will only know failure in your life, as everyone will be leary of you, and never trust you. You will always be alone. and never have a chance to be in a position to worry about giving quarter. If you ever find yourself again in that position, it will be you against everybody else, and that's a no win scenario. It's only through the ability to negotiate, and compromise with others that you learn to be a member of a team, and have others willing to back you in your time of need.

Life lessons!

I work with people in good faith in the GA all the time, for instance. I'm not some bitter old man whining about how life never went my way cause people can't be trusted and yadda yadda yadda.

I meant in gameplay. It was obvious when we saw the terms that they'd go back on them(they were too good). That's not the point. Negotiating did us no good, and honestly why should it have? I couped! They'd have said anything to get the region back because they were absolutely convinced that this was it(they should've known better, it comes with thunderous applause). If you coup a region, you've given people a ready made rationalization for all kinds of nasty stuff. Honestly, I'm surprised they stopped at just lying about negotiating in good faith.

I don't mind it at all, but "negotiate more" is not the lesson I hope coupers take from this incident(nor would any person in their right mind do so).

Edit: Hell that's all couping is. Giving up on dialogue and taking action(for good or bad).

[Whamabama]

Life lessons!

I work with people in good faith in the GA all the time, for instance. I'm not some bitter old man whining about how life never went my way cause people can't be trusted and yadda yadda yadda.

I meant in gameplay. It was obvious when we saw the terms that they'd go back on them(they were too good). That's not the point. Negotiating did us no good, and honestly why should it have? I couped! They'd have said anything to get the region back because they were absolutely convinced that this was it(they should've known better, it comes with thunderous applause). If you coup a region, you've given people a ready made rationalization for all kinds of nasty stuff. Honestly, I'm surprised they stopped at just lying about negotiating in good faith.

I don't mind it at all, but "negotiate more" is not the lesson I hope coupers take from this incident(nor would any person in their right mind do so).

Edit: Hell that's all couping is. Giving up on dialogue and taking action(for good or bad).

You sound pretty bitter in my eyes. You also show little knowledge of gameplay, and likely are not interested in doing so, though you love to talk about it.

Especially when you can't see a good reason to talk about it after a coup, a couper can gain something from talks, it depends on the what they want, why they did it, and of course how good they are at negotiations. It does of course also have to do with how good the others you are negotiating with are, and a stroke of how creative everyone is to boot.

So much can be gained by doing this, and quite frankly much more fun and entertaining than just relying on who has the most WA's at update. Negotiating is better because it's more challenging, and creative. Especially if both sides are to benefit from it. The fact you didn't get anything from it does not mean that it's worthless, it only means you played it wrong.

[the Imperial Crown]

*tips his hat at Wham*

That was pure beauty to behold sir. You have made my night.

Going a page or so back I'm seeing a lot of talk about outside influences in Osiris and various other places. Considering my tenure in Osiris and the fact that I am still basically doing the same thing in the region that I was in January I don't particularly see foreign or outside influence in the region, what I do see is various factions in the citizenry who hail from different alignments trying to work together and in some cases succeeding and in other cases arguing along their various party lines. I don't see anything to suggest that we have outside influence in Osiris.

If I did see anything to suggest it, then anyone who knows me and what I stand for can assure you that I would be doing my utmost to either limit the influence access to Osiris or stem the source of it. Currently, what I see is an opportunity for Osiris to fix whatever cracks it has in its system and reforge itself, which I see it is doing. The process is not easy by any stretch of the word but things like this will not be.

I have to say that I have faith in Mahaj to lead the United Defenders League properly, I have no issues with the League, or it's leader and consider Mahaj to be skilled at what he does and a dedicated person. That is why I find Unibot's comments to be distasteful and what does look like a mockery of Mahaj's leadership of the organisation.

I've said it before and I'll repeat it now: I do not care about peoples creed, alignment or banners. I would prefer people are honest with their intentions and open to working with others. All this talk about foreign influence that I've seen lately is just one part of the problem. I'll judge people on their actions, not the essays they can throw out.

I for one am happy to work with NES in Osiris, it is a relief to not have to do everything related to Foreign Affairs by myself anymore and I wholeheartedly approve of his appointment.

On the whole I also have no issues with Imperialism, I get on quite well with some members of the UIAF and worked with a few of them earlier in the year. I also do not see exactly what is meant to be so bad about their supposed influence - I find it simple to live with a few rules and the most important one for this case is "Be honest with your intentions and speak up. Let us make an educated decision."

Obviously I cannot speak for Osiris, but I am a long term citizen of the region, and I am someone, so I was reminded by a few people earlier today, that holds a considerable amount of influence in the regional government/community alongside other past longterm members of the government. I dispute that I am that influential but I do know that whilst Osiris has had its ups and downs that it is a welcoming community, and it will only thrive and progress as its citizens work together and ensure that happens.

Though I would prefer to see all these comments about outside influences and the like being dangerous cease. Nothing will ever change if people lock themselves away and are not open to new things, although change should be invoked by people making an informed decision, not blindly grasping for a moving lightswitch in the dark.

Finally, yes Douria. Elections were meant to have been held on the 15th of October. I'm not too worried about it, as the last election I was involved in for Osiris didn't exactly have a stellar ending, did it?

[The Dourian Embassy]

You sound pretty bitter in my eyes. You also show little knowledge of gameplay, and likely are not interested in doing so, though you love to talk about it.

Especially when you can't see a good reason to talk about it after a coup, a couper can gain something from talks, it depends on the what they want, why they did it, and of course how good they are at negotiations. It does of course also have to do with how good the others you are negotiating with are, and a stroke of how creative everyone is to boot.

So much can be gained by doing this, and quite frankly much more fun and entertaining than just relying on who has the most WA's at update. Negotiating is better because it's more challenging, and creative. Especially if both sides are to benefit from it. The fact you didn't get anything from it does not mean that it's worthless, it only means you played it wrong.

I made it pretty clear during and after I was about wrecking stuff, not talking. Most of what you just said would be a stinging reply if that wasn't the case(though you just conceded that I care little about the gameplay methods you use, then went on to tell me about how I'm doing the gameplay thing wrong). I play this game my way, and have my own metrics for success. Just as you play your your own way. What you find rewarding is not rewarding to all, and that's alright.

I like to say that I hate gameplay, but that's hardly accurate. Gameplay involves a ton of things that I enjoy plenty. I hate the mechanics of numbers, updates, and banjecting... but I had tons of fun manipulating legal systems and social engineering is another bundle of fun. It also gives you a sense of power that you get from very few other things.

On the other hand, it's wrong. Plain and simple. Taking the trust of others and crushing it in the palm of your hand is pretty close to evil. It bothers me a bit that I have that in me(not that I didn't already know, but direct evidence of that kind is rare). The only thing that makes me feel bad about it is wondering what's wrong with me since it doesn't make me feel bad.

As long as I stick to the GA, I should avoid the opportunity to do real evil again. I'm alright with that, and successful at it!

There's always going to be trolls like me going around and wrecking stuff. The message, "Don't negotiate, just wreck stuff more"? That's for them. It's as true now as it's always been.

But you know all that already, so is this mostly about the talking you enjoy so much? Cause I enjoy it as well, just... for different reasons. Heh.

[PrussianEmpire]

I read the past few pages and literally all I could see is "I HATE UNIBOT" "SCREW YOU____" AND "DOURIA SUCKS". Lighten up folks. Be a bit more respectful towards others.

[The North Polish Union]

Oh come on. If it weren't for all the ad hominem attacks here GP would be no fun.

[McMasterdonia]

I read the past few pages and literally all I could see is "I HATE UNIBOT" "SCREW YOU____" AND "DOURIA SUCKS". Lighten up folks. Be a bit more respectful towards others.

I think the conversation has been quite a bit more in depth than that. But I'd agree that some of those comments are unnecessary - but it will always be the same.

[Unibot III]

Or the lack actual physical support in the form of WAs?

Interesting -- I wonder what Chief Mahaj and Captain Ravania think of this assertion. Is this another case where you imp-wash the liberation effort as having only been done by imps? Like when you said TSP only offered one soldier etc.

[Elim Garak (Ancient)]

Oh come on. If it weren't for all the ad hominem attacks here GP would be no fun.

I'm sigging that.

Edit: Oh, fudge. This is Cerian.

*grumbles* bloody puppet screw up/

[The North Polish Union]

I am in someone's sig! My life is complete!

[NS NEWS EXPRESS]

LAZARUS ENDS TREATY WITH THE SOUTH PACIFIC
November 13, 2013.

SCARLET CITY, LAZARUS –-- In a brief conference, newly appointed Chairman Milograd announced the termination of the treaty between Lazarus and The South Pacific. Chairman Milograd says that this termination of the treaty should not be perceived as an act of aggression and that he hopes in the future the two regions will be able to repair their relationship in time. The Chairman called the former treaty, "weak", but wished The South Pacific all of the best.

The announcement came shortly after Chairman Milograd received word from Belschaft that, according to Milograd, "The South Pacific had no interest in maintaining" the treaty.

However, discussion in The South Pacific's Regional Assembly was still ongoing at the time regarding the issue of Lazarus and Chairman Milograd -- with Belschaft and HEM, Supreme Chancellor of Europeia, arguing in favor of terminating the treaty, while Sandaoguo, Chairperson and QuietDad, Chief Justice, were arguing that the termination of the treaty would be seen as diplomatically rash and/or petty.

- NSNE.

[Cerian Quilor]

Yes, lets push the 'evil Europeia' message some more, because you haven't killed that lie already.

[Glen-Rhodes]

The announcement came shortly after Chairman Milograd received word from Belschaft that, according to Milograd, "The South Pacific had no interest in maintaining" the treaty.

Um, how true is this?

[PrussianEmpire]

Shocking.

[Mad Jack]

The announcement came shortly after Chairman Milograd received word from Belschaft that, according to Milograd, "The South Pacific had no interest in maintaining" the treaty.

Um, how true is this?

Considering that Bel has been saying he considers the treaty null and void for some time now, very?

[Kringalia]

Um, how true is this?

Considering that Bel has been saying he considers the treaty null and void for some time now, very?

Having a personal opinion is quite different from establishing a region's foreign policy. The Cabinet never made a determination on whether it was or was not interested in keeping its treaty with Lazarus, so I don't know from where Milograd or this article got its information.

[Cerian Quilor]

The article talked to Milograd (surprise, suprise). Where Milo got it is anyone's guess

[King HEM]

I wish Milograd would have "wished The South Pacific the best" before he ejected thousands of nations and attacked the community he lied to and betrayed.

No big loss.

[Someone Special]

Yeah but, I think you're forgetting how handsome he is.