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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:40 pm

Spode Humbled Minions wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:I take this as an admission that LCN members frequently use the n-word on offsite property.

Uh, of the 6 instances of the n word on our server, one is in quotation for moderation purposes, and the other 5 are related to people playing rap music with that word in the title, but go off I guess?

According to our sources, it's actually more like 600.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:41 pm

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Christian Democrats wrote:I take this as an admission that LCN members frequently use the n-word on offsite property.

Clown

Stop that.
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Postby Gagium » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:43 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:Perhaps because we weren't aware of the extent of the problem. I don't keep tabs on y'all's Discord server, and we generally trust you all to manage your own affairs.

But something is very obviously wrong here, given that your RMB literally devolved into outright defending the use of anti-gay slurs over the past few hours.

I’ve never seen anyone in the LCN use a slur against another person without their consent who wasn’t promptly moderated for it. The use a word to refer to a specific person (vs an entire group for example) who has no issue with the word and usually isn’t even apart of the group that the word can be used to refer shouldn’t be offensive to anyone. If you’re offended by the use of a mere word that isn’t even being used in a derogatory manner and in which both people consent, I’m not sure what to tell you. Obviously there are some words that the LCN forbids regardless of context, and rightfully so too (For example: the n word)

Nobody is defending the use of “slurs” - By definition, the word would have to be applied in a manner in that it’s referring to a group of people for it to be a slur (a derogatory or insulting term applied to particular group of people). That has yet to have happened in the LCN without moderation swiftly taking action against it.

If you take offense to the use of a word that’s being used to describe another individual in a jokingly manner (who is fine with the joke), then I’m not sure what to tell you.
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Postby Quebecshire » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:43 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Spode Humbled Minions wrote:Uh, of the 6 instances of the n word on our server, one is in quotation for moderation purposes, and the other 5 are related to people playing rap music with that word in the title, but go off I guess?

According to our sources, it's actually more like 600.

Spelled with an a (I feel like it's important to clarify the bot is meant to catch any hard r usages, which is what the FCN had, and any the bot doesn't catch is clapped manually). And used in a non-abusive way otherwise there are consequences. Read this, maybe.

Anyway, this still pales in comparison to what RTL has let slide, and it's obvious this was just a reaction to Access to Abortion voting choices. There is no widespread racism in the LCN and we have a diverse community. Discrimination and abuse are not tolerated.
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Postby Spode Humbled Minions » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:44 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Spode Humbled Minions wrote:Uh, of the 6 instances of the n word on our server, one is in quotation for moderation purposes, and the other 5 are related to people playing rap music with that word in the title, but go off I guess?

According to our sources, it's actually more like 600.

Unless there's magical private chats that as council delegate and LCNIA director that I don't have access to, but your sources do?

I mean?

??????
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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:48 pm

Quebecshire wrote:Anyway, this still pales in comparison to what RTL has let slide

This accusation is unfounded and unspecific. I honestly have no clue what you're talking about.
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GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

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Postby Quebecshire » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:49 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Anyway, this still pales in comparison to what RTL has let slide

This accusation is unfounded and unspecific. I honestly have no clue what you're talking about.

The FCN scandals? GENUINE HOMOPHOBIA?
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Postby Gagium » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:51 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Gagium wrote:Clown

Stop that.

How is “clown” against the rules? I can easily find worse example/insults in this thread, such as when UM in his statement on the LCN accuses our government of being “unhinged”
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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:52 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:This accusation is unfounded and unspecific. I honestly have no clue what you're talking about.

The FCN? GENUINE HOMOPHOBIA?

I thought you were talking about Right to Life.

Refer to earlier posts about Right to Life not monitoring everything that happens in foreign regions.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Spode Humbled Minions » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:52 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Anyway, this still pales in comparison to what RTL has let slide

This accusation is unfounded and unspecific. I honestly have no clue what you're talking about.

[Spiderman pointing at himself meme]

At the end of the day, this diplomatic dispute all boils down to one thing and one thing only, and that's Abortion Doctor Goose.

(Also years of UM coming into our server looking for either people to recruit for sketchy raids to try and shut down people's bills or, and I quote from 2019 "because he wants something", and then leaving, which wasn't, ya know, the best for diplomacy)
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Postby Quebecshire » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:52 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:The FCN? GENUINE HOMOPHOBIA?

I thought you were talking about Right to Life.

Refer to earlier posts about Right to Life not monitoring everything that happens in foreign regions.

I am. Right to Life literally let the FCN's prior scandalous behaviour slide, as well as genuine homophobia on their RMB.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:53 pm

Gagium wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Stop that.

How is “clown” against the rules? I can easily find worse example/insults in this thread, such as when UM in his statement on the LCN accuses our government of being “unhinged”

It looked like you were calling him a clown. It's mild, but given tempers seem to be elevated, I figured an unofficial Ominous Loom would prevent official redtext becoming necessary later.
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Postby Gagium » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:54 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Gagium wrote:How is “clown” against the rules? I can easily find worse example/insults in this thread, such as when UM in his statement on the LCN accuses our government of being “unhinged”

It looked like you were calling him a clown. It's mild, but given tempers seem to be elevated, I figured an unofficial Ominous Loom would prevent official redtext becoming necessary later.

Understandable, thank you for the clarification.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:55 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:I thought you were talking about Right to Life.

Refer to earlier posts about Right to Life not monitoring everything that happens in foreign regions.

I am. Right to Life literally let the FCN's prior scandalous behaviour slide, as well as genuine homophobia on their RMB.

As for the FCN, we quickly acted when we became aware of the situation. The FCN listened to our calls for reform and made changes.

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Postby Quebecshire » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:56 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:I am. Right to Life literally let the FCN's prior scandalous behaviour slide, as well as genuine homophobia on their RMB.

As for the FCN, we quickly acted when we became aware of the situation. The FCN listened to our calls for reform and made changes.

Yes, they've moved on from the n word to letting IRL criminals in.

But I disgress, genuine homophobia is worse than ironic use of mean words.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:57 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:I thought you were talking about Right to Life.

Refer to earlier posts about Right to Life not monitoring everything that happens in foreign regions.

I am. Right to Life literally let the FCN's prior scandalous behaviour slide, as well as genuine homophobia on their RMB.

You're trying to deflect.

Right to Life shouldn't cut ties with LCN because FCN is also racist.

That's not a very convincing argument in favor of your own region.
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
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Postby Terranihil » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:57 pm

Spode Humbled Minions wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:This accusation is unfounded and unspecific. I honestly have no clue what you're talking about.

[Spiderman pointing at himself meme]

At the end of the day, this diplomatic dispute all boils down to one thing and one thing only, and that's Abortion Doctor Goose.

(Also years of UM coming into our server looking for either people to recruit for sketchy raids to try and shut down people's bills or, and I quote from 2019 "because he wants something", and then leaving, which wasn't, ya know, the best for diplomacy)

^^^
RTL only began their reevaluation of embassies because of SCI's WA vote and Abortion Doctor Goose. You guys can act like you are being proactive and morally superior with your slanderous accusations of racism and homophobia, but it's obvious that RTL only cares because their feelings were hurt by some silly abortion memes.
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hmmmm

Postby Spode Humbled Minions » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:58 pm

Ya see, the big issue here is with motive.

*passes out popcorn to spectators*

If RtL wants to closes embassies, well, fine.

But if they want to pretend that their justification comes from anything other than a GA vote and a Goose with a knife saying "peace was never an option" (and no this isn't a declaration of war, sometimes the cigar is just a cigar and not an indication that I endorse paganism/the slaughter of infants/saying racial slurs/the destruction of humanity, etc.)....

Well that creates a problem.
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Postby Quebecshire » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:59 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:I am. Right to Life literally let the FCN's prior scandalous behaviour slide, as well as genuine homophobia on their RMB.

You're trying to deflect.

Right to Life shouldn't cut ties with LCN because FCN is also racist.

That's not a very convincing argument in favor of your own region.

No no, cut the dies, they're blackmailing us, or tried to.

I'm just saying they're hypocrites :)

EDIT: And disingenuous
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Postby United Massachusetts » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:59 pm

If that were the case (that this is solely based on political motivations), we wouldn't be cutting embassies. Per the vote of the citizenry before any homophobia, racism, etc. were brought into the discussion, a vast majority of the citizens, myself included, voted to keep the embassy.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:00 pm

Terranihil wrote:
Spode Humbled Minions wrote:[Spiderman pointing at himself meme]

At the end of the day, this diplomatic dispute all boils down to one thing and one thing only, and that's Abortion Doctor Goose.

(Also years of UM coming into our server looking for either people to recruit for sketchy raids to try and shut down people's bills or, and I quote from 2019 "because he wants something", and then leaving, which wasn't, ya know, the best for diplomacy)

^^^
RTL only began their reevaluation of embassies because of SCI's WA vote and Abortion Doctor Goose. You guys can act like you are being proactive and morally superior with your slanderous accusations of racism and homophobia, but it's obvious that RTL only cares because their feelings were hurt by some silly abortion memes.

Right to Life is a pro-life region. Making fun of abortion is likely to attract the regional government's attention.
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:02 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:If that were the case (that this is solely based on political motivations), we wouldn't be cutting embassies. Per the vote of the citizenry before any homophobia, racism, etc. were brought into the discussion, a vast majority of the citizens, myself included, voted to keep the embassy.

For the record: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=160595
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Spode Humbled Minions » Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:03 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:If that were the case (that this is solely based on political motivations), we wouldn't be cutting embassies. Per the vote of the citizenry before any homophobia, racism, etc. were brought into the discussion, a vast majority of the citizens, myself included, voted to keep the embassy.

Which coincidentally perfectly aligns with when the council delegates collectively told both you and the UDS something not-very-NS friendly about the demand of SCI's removal.
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Postby Quebecshire » Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:22 pm

Spode Humbled Minions wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:If that were the case (that this is solely based on political motivations), we wouldn't be cutting embassies. Per the vote of the citizenry before any homophobia, racism, etc. were brought into the discussion, a vast majority of the citizens, myself included, voted to keep the embassy.

Which coincidentally perfectly aligns with when the council delegates collectively told both you and the UDS something not-very-NS friendly about the demand of SCI's removal.

In fairness, the UDS never asked for SCI's removal. Only RTL did that, because UM, in his own words, targetted SCI with their statement.

They just wrote a libellous essay about me in their announcements channel and published a statement with false claims about our moderation policy :p
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:01 am

Christian Democrats wrote:The Right to Life government is withdrawing its embassy from the League of "Conservative" Nations. Ill-mannered behavior toward diplomats and frequent use of racial and sexual slurs on offsite property have convinced the Right to Life government to cut ties.


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