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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:53 am
by The Church of Satan
This is just my humble opinion but if RTL wants to condemn Funk's actions in an official capacity, it is their right as a sovereign region to do so. The irony of me saying this about RTL of all regions is not lost on me.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:02 am
by Cormactopia Prime
I don't see how Right to Life being involved with mainstream gameplay is anymore objectionable than Marxist-Leninist and other extremist involvement.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:32 am
by Kylia Quilor
Cormactopia Prime wrote:I don't see how Right to Life being involved with mainstream gameplay is anymore objectionable than Marxist-Leninist and other extremist involvement.

Its not more objectionable. Just hilarious.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:49 am
by Christian Democrats
Solorni wrote:Does the Lazarene resistance welcome the support from the far/alternative right wing Right to Life?

This question is wrong on two counts:

  1. The statement does not endorse the resistance;
  2. Right to Life is not a far-right region or an alt-right region.

Solorni wrote:In any case, why is a region dedicated to getting rid of women's rights getting involved in Lazarus? Most political regions are staying out of it beyond defender and raider ones.

You must not have read the statement because the justification comes in the first paragraph:

Typically, Right to Life abstains from intervening in the internal affairs of game-created regions out of respect for their sovereignty. That said, the ongoing situation in Lazarus warrants special attention. For more than a year, Right to Life and Lazarus have maintained relations by means of in-game and forum embassies; and Right to Life citizens, valuing this relationship, have watched with great consternation during the past two weeks as political order in Lazarus has been turned on its head.

Kylia Quilor wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:I don't see how Right to Life being involved with mainstream gameplay is anymore objectionable than Marxist-Leninist and other extremist involvement.

Its not more objectionable. Just hilarious.

Would you mind explaining what's funny? I'm not seeing any humor.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:57 pm
by Freien
Cormactopia Prime wrote:I don't see how Right to Life being involved with mainstream gameplay is anymore objectionable than Marxist-Leninist and other extremist involvement.

Because Marxist-Leninists aren't a bunch of misogynists? In fact, they support the directly opposite stance of that. Also, extremists? You make me laugh every time...
United Massachusetts wrote:
Solorni wrote:Yes, but still. Don't you guys worry that your condemnation does more harm than good?

You're the only one who appears to be unjustifiably angry about our involvement in gameplay. It seems you just want RTL to, I don't know, cease-to-exist?

She is not the only one, I can assure you that. Just some people probably decide not to give you any attention.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:17 pm
by The NAtion OF Froggy
Freien wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:I don't see how Right to Life being involved with mainstream gameplay is anymore objectionable than Marxist-Leninist and other extremist involvement.

Because Marxist-Leninists aren't a bunch of misogynists? In fact, they support the directly opposite stance of that. Also, extremists? You make me laugh every time...


When did what cormac implied become about misogynist?
cormac is saying they can say and do what they want in gameplay, no matter the stance of the IC government.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:48 pm
by Freien
The NAtion OF Froggy wrote:
Freien wrote:Because Marxist-Leninists aren't a bunch of misogynists? In fact, they support the directly opposite stance of that. Also, extremists? You make me laugh every time...


When did what cormac implied become about misogynist?
cormac is saying they can say and do what they want in gameplay, no matter the stance of the IC government.

I just commented on the comparison he made. I don't really care about letting RTL say what it wants in Gameplay.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:23 pm
by Kylia Quilor
Christian Democrats wrote:
Solorni wrote:Does the Lazarene resistance welcome the support from the far/alternative right wing Right to Life?

This question is wrong on two counts:

  1. The statement does not endorse the resistance;
  2. Right to Life is not a far-right region or an alt-right region.

Solorni wrote:In any case, why is a region dedicated to getting rid of women's rights getting involved in Lazarus? Most political regions are staying out of it beyond defender and raider ones.

You must not have read the statement because the justification comes in the first paragraph:

Typically, Right to Life abstains from intervening in the internal affairs of game-created regions out of respect for their sovereignty. That said, the ongoing situation in Lazarus warrants special attention. For more than a year, Right to Life and Lazarus have maintained relations by means of in-game and forum embassies; and Right to Life citizens, valuing this relationship, have watched with great consternation during the past two weeks as political order in Lazarus has been turned on its head.

Kylia Quilor wrote:Its not more objectionable. Just hilarious.

Would you mind explaining what's funny? I'm not seeing any humor.

Because RTL as a region has always been amusing to me.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:19 pm
by Canton Empire
Solorni wrote:In any case, why is a region dedicated to getting rid of women's rights getting involved in Lazarus? Most political regions are staying out of it beyond defender and raider ones.

Why does the political alignment of the region even matter?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:02 pm
by Kylia Quilor
Canton Empire wrote:
Solorni wrote:In any case, why is a region dedicated to getting rid of women's rights getting involved in Lazarus? Most political regions are staying out of it beyond defender and raider ones.

Why does the political alignment of the region even matter?

*cough Cough*

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:03 pm
by Canton Empire
Kylia Quilor wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:Why does the political alignment of the region even matter?

*cough Cough*

>_>

It's a traditional Conservative region. What's wrong with that?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:54 pm
by Kylia Quilor
Canton Empire wrote:
Kylia Quilor wrote:*cough Cough*

>_>

It's a traditional Conservative region. What's wrong with that?

The political affiliations of regions can, depending on the context and region, matter a lot.

Now, I don't really think RTL's affiliation counts in this case, but that you don't get the fundamental logic at work is very *cough* worthy.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:58 pm
by Phydios
Canton Empire wrote:
Kylia Quilor wrote:*cough Cough*

>_>

It's a traditional Conservative region. What's wrong with that?

It is not a traditional conservative region. The pro-life movement is majority conservative, yes, but Right to Life is anything but homogeneous.

United Massachusetts wrote:The "far right", yeah--where we have a whole political party of liberals, the second largest in our region. Where the Director of News and the Justice of the Peace are open left-wingers. Where a member of our region participated in AntiFa and our army helped fight against Nazi Europe. Where discrimination is banned on account of race, sex, gender, politics, age, and religion. Where an open atheist and Bernie Sanders volunteer can be elected to the Senate.

Seriously, stop it. These accusations are getting old.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:06 pm
by Kylia Quilor
Yes, well, when you want to restrict people's essential freedoms, you tend to get lumped in with other people to like to do that.

And now we're getting into #General territory, so...

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:12 pm
by Ikania
Given that the entire debate centers around the question of what is and isn't a person, I wouldn't really put it on the same level as general authoritarianism.

RtL is respectable in the way they've developed such a large and active population centered around a single political plank. We don't have Second Amendment, Tea Party or Anti-Frack as successful regions, and it's hard to imagine. So congrats to them on that, especially given that they are certainly in a minority position here on the internet. I'd say they've earned their gameplay chops.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:16 pm
by Kylia Quilor
Ikania wrote:Given that the entire debate centers around the question of what is and isn't a person, I wouldn't really put it on the same level as general authoritarianism.

I should have been more clear that it was a matter of perception - that is, anyone who doesn't think a Fetus has the same rights as a real kid looks at it like that (and there have been plenty of anti-abortion thinkers and notions that are rooted in control far more than protecting some abstract notion of 'life'.) I'm aware that both sides are essentially having different debates, but if you think the basic premise of the Pro-life position is nonsensical, as most pro-choice people do, it looks pretty damn authoritarian.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:01 pm
by Klaus Devestatorie
If you're going to condemn Lazarus for having raiders in the government, don't bother asking Unknown for help when you next want to crusade against communist regions.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:22 pm
by Consular
Ikania wrote:
Solorni wrote:Does the Lazarene resistance welcome the support from the far/alternative right wing Right to Life?

What we certainly do is reject the ridiculous conclusion that an active anti-abortion region is part of the far right wing and some kind of beacon of alt-right extremism.

We appreciate this statement, is the least I can say.

Well I don't know about you Solorni, but this pretty much tells me all I need to know.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:48 pm
by Fauxia
Solorni wrote:Does the Lazarene resistance welcome the support from the far/alternative right wing Right to Life?
LMAO!!! Alt-rightists are pro-choice for eugenic purposes what the hell are you talking about? Also, abortion is a consensus right issue, not just the far-right "and the people called 'far-right' are generally pro-abortion, such as Marine Le Pen. And there are leftists in Right to Life Slavic Lechia, United Massachusetts, New Dolgaria to name a few. But whatever. On topic, I'm sure that Lazarene Exiles are glad to have whoever they get.

And, come on Solorni. Even Kylia Quilor isn't going this far.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:50 pm
by Kanglia
Fauxia is everywhere & nowhere at once; amazing how in the world you do this mate.

However, everything they just said is right

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:51 pm
by Fauxia
Guy wrote:Alternative topic title: "Is KAISERREICH a Nazi region, round 423"
Lol yeah.

P.S. No, it's a German Monarchist region, though it would probably help if a)they had more actual Germans and b)they weren't German, it makes them a target. But maybe we should cut this argument...

Kanglia wrote:Fauxia is everywhere & nowhere at once; amazing how in the world you do this mate.

However, everything they just said is right
Am I?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:06 pm
by Eluvatar
Fauxia wrote:
Guy wrote:Alternative topic title: "Is KAISERREICH a Nazi region, round 423"
Lol yeah.

P.S. No, it's a German Monarchist region, though it would probably help if a)they had more actual Germans and b)they weren't German, it makes them a target. But maybe we should cut this argument...


There have been times when the offsite forum background image for Kaiserreich was a Nazi flag, if I remember correctly. This may not be the hill to, ah, fight on.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:22 pm
by Kylia Quilor
Fauxia wrote:
Solorni wrote:Does the Lazarene resistance welcome the support from the far/alternative right wing Right to Life?
LMAO!!! Alt-rightists are pro-choice for eugenic purposes what the hell are you talking about? Also, abortion is a consensus right issue, not just the far-right "and the people called 'far-right' are generally pro-abortion, such as Marine Le Pen. And there are leftists in Right to Life Slavic Lechia, United Massachusetts, New Dolgaria to name a few. But whatever. On topic, I'm sure that Lazarene Exiles are glad to have whoever they get.

And, come on Solorni. Even Kylie Quilor isn't going this far.

Please don't call me Kylie.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:33 am
by Phydios
Kylia Quilor wrote:
Fauxia wrote:LMAO!!! Alt-rightists are pro-choice for eugenic purposes what the hell are you talking about? Also, abortion is a consensus right issue, not just the far-right "and the people called 'far-right' are generally pro-abortion, such as Marine Le Pen. And there are leftists in Right to Life Slavic Lechia, United Massachusetts, New Dolgaria to name a few. But whatever. On topic, I'm sure that Lazarene Exiles are glad to have whoever they get.

And, come on Solorni. Even Kylie Quilor isn't going this far.

Please don't call me Kylie.

The difference is one letter. Perhaps it was a typo or a misremembering? I don't think Fauxia was intentionally nicknaming you.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:57 am
by Bears Armed
Eluvatar wrote:There have been times when the offsite forum background image for Kaiserreich was a Nazi flag, if I remember correctly.

There was a time when RL Germany used a Nazi flag: Does that make modern RL Germany a Nazi nation?