Das Imperium?

[Cormac Stark]

Is there a reason the FRA, UDL, Spiritus, and whoever else are in Das Imperium?

I noticed the Delegate change in Das Imperium when The German Eagle was elected 25 days ago. I didn't do anything about it because he had been in the region since April and he was elected with the endorsement of Doppio Giudici, who has been in the region since July 2012. The WFE hadn't been changed to a raid WFE, no nations had been ejected or banned, and there was nothing to indicate to me that it was a raid. I do see that things have changed a bit since then: The Delegate doesn't have Doppio Giudici's endorsement anymore and his endorsements are now from non-natives. Still, the WFE hasn't been changed, no native nations have been ejected or banned that I've seen, and while the Delegate's endorsements may be non-native it seems to me as the legitimate native Delegate of the region, initially elected by a native, he has the prerogative to request external support.

So a few questions:

1. Did any natives request your intervention?
2. What evidence do you have, if any, that The German Eagle isn't native?
3. What evidence do you have, if any, that The German Eagle has hostile intentions?
4. Why, in your view, will Das Imperium be better off with no Delegate at all following your "liberation" -- thus vulnerable to raids -- than with The German Eagle as Delegate?

Thanks.

[Saber Lily]

It seemed the delegate banjected them already.

[Feuer Ritter]

It is an invader sleeper, you must be blind to not see that. I'm the original founder of that region.

[Cormac Stark]

It is an invader sleeper, you must be blind to not see that. I'm the original founder of that region.

I agree that it looks like an invader sleeper. I don't agree that there is sufficient evidence to say, definitively, that it's an invader sleeper.

[Eist]

Is there any way that I can enable viewing sigs just for Cormac so I can tell what side he's on for any given post of his?

Are you trying to beat some record for flakeyness that I'm not aware of?

That said, I was bemused at the 'move' (for a lack of a better word) that occurred there. There didn't really seem to be any objective at all. Das Imperium, as Feur correctly points out, is an invader region since the beginning and there was no obvious change in the region at the time of the move.

Why Feur doesn't refound the founder, I have no idea. I guess TBR have to get their "practice" from somewhere that isn't too challenging.

[Ambroscus Koth]

Why Feur doesn't refound the founder, I have no idea. I guess TBR have to get their "practice" from somewhere that isn't too challenging.

I'll disregard the misspelling of his name long enough to tell you that I'm pretty sure he abdicated all Founder power to Teh_Internet back in the day, where the Founder powers went after him is anyone's guess.

[Eist]

Why Feur doesn't refound the founder, I have no idea. I guess TBR have to get their "practice" from somewhere that isn't too challenging.

I'll disregard the misspelling of his name long enough to tell you that I'm pretty sure he abdicated all Founder power to Teh_Internet back in the day, where the Founder powers went after him is anyone's guess.

Thanks, Ambruscos

[Drop Your Pants]

Why do you care so much cormac?

[Feux]

Feur

For a minute...

At any rate what DYP said.

[Ambroscus Koth]

I really didn't think it would surprise anyone that Cormac wants clarity on what could possibly be a Nazi-busting mission. Hating Nazis is like the one thing that's stayed constant with him throughout his career

[Evil Lord Sauron]

I really didn't think it would surprise anyone that Cormac wants clarity on what could possibly be a Nazi-busting mission. Hating Nazis is like the one thing that's stayed constant with him throughout his career

Except you know, that one time where he advocated UDL defend Nazi's.

[SkyDip]

I really didn't think it would surprise anyone that Cormac wants clarity on what could possibly be a Nazi-busting mission. Hating Nazis is like the one thing that's stayed constant with him throughout his career

Except you know, that one time where he advocated UDL defend Nazi's.

Cormac? A flip-flopper? Nooooo.

[Cromarty]

I really didn't think it would surprise anyone that Cormac wants clarity on what could possibly be a Nazi-busting mission. Hating Nazis is like the one thing that's stayed constant with him throughout his career

Except you know, that one time where he advocated UDL defend Nazi's.

Does Mordor really want to be weighing in on the whole defending Nazi's thing?

[Feuer Ritter]

Das Imperium was never fascist, it actualy fought against GGR when LKE declared war.

[Karputsk]

Finally got some time to address this.

1. Did any natives request your intervention?

Yes, Doppio Giudici did. I had telegrammed him about the Delegate and after a few exchanges he asked me to liberate the region.

2. What evidence do you have, if any, that The German Eagle isn't native?

3. What evidence do you have, if any, that The German Eagle has hostile intentions?

The fact that he originated in Blitzkrieg, he has been WA for little over a month, the entirety of his endorsements are foreign Nations, the likes of Righteous Wavists, Rodong 1, J-11 and Paramilitary KPA have all actively been involved in Left-Wing refounds over the past few months and the sudden upsurge of his WA endorsement count from 1 to 10 count despite no recruiting. Regardless, his small Native support no longer exists and he only maintains control over the region through Foreign endorsers.

4. Why, in your view, will Das Imperium be better off with no Delegate at all following your "liberation" -- thus vulnerable to raids -- than with The German Eagle as Delegate?

Well... because it won't be a locked and griefed once the Delegate's influence has reached secret password levels.

[Cormac Stark]

Fair enough. Thanks for answering my questions.

As a note to others in this thread, the questions and objections I raised had nothing at all to do with Nazism, fascism, communism, socialism, etc. I do have other interests.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Reposting a copy here because relevance

As the former MoFA of Unknown back in the day when Unknown had Foreign Relations with Das Imperium, which in turn was back in the day when Das Imperium had a functioning rp government, founder, forum, etc, I can tell you with 100% certainty that Das Imperium is not and never has been a fascist or Nazi region. Indeed, if I recall correctly, when the members of The Great Kingdom of Prussia grew tired of Nazism and split off en masse from GGR to form that region, Das Imperium was one of the first regions they tried to start foreign relations with, because of perceived distance from Nazism. To claim that Das Imperium is in any way a Nazi region is blatant slander.

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That said;

3. What evidence do you have, if any, that The German Eagle has hostile intentions?

The fact that he originated in Blitzkrieg, he has been WA for little over a month, the entirety of his endorsements are foreign Nations, the likes of Righteous Wavists, Rodong 1, J-11 and Paramilitary KPA have all actively been involved in Left-Wing refounds over the past few months and the sudden upsurge of his WA endorsement count from 1 to 10 count despite no recruiting. Regardless, his small Native support no longer exists and he only maintains control over the region through Foreign endorsers.

This would indeed suggest military intervention is required.

[Captain Woodhouse]

2. What evidence do you have, if any, that The German Eagle isn't native?

3. What evidence do you have, if any, that The German Eagle has hostile intentions?

The fact that he originated in Blitzkrieg

Per my convo with you earlier, BLITZKRIEG is uninvolved in Das Imperium. German Eagle parked his butt in the region, that's it. Das Imperium is an Antifa op, spearheaded by North Korea. Antifa wants to shut down DI because it has a long extreme right wing history.

I'm sure Cormac will agree that wiping Das Imperium off the map is the right thing to do. After all, he was bosom buddies with Righteous Wavists and V Ming only yesterday. Oh, wait . . .

http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3303714
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=3298780

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Antifa making that mistake themselves? Wonderful. Hammer has to come down, because Das Imperium was most certainly not a fascist region. It certainly doesn't have a "long history" - NS Dossier provides the evidence for that. If the old forums weren't down, there'd be a wealth of information. Sadly, we shall have to make do with the embassy application of Das Imperium in the Land of Kings and Emperors, which should be more than enough to prove once and for all that this region has exactly zero Nazi affiliation.

[Cormac Stark]

Antifa making that mistake themselves? Wonderful. Hammer has to come down, because Das Imperium was most certainly not a fascist region. It certainly doesn't have a "long history" - NS Dossier provides the evidence for that. If the old forums weren't down, there'd be a wealth of information. Sadly, we shall have to make do with the embassy application of Das Imperium in the Land of Kings and Emperors, which should be more than enough to prove once and for all that this region has exactly zero Nazi affiliation.

I don't think they're mistaking it for a fascist region. They're using phrases like "far right," "extreme right wing," and "imperialist" -- but not fascist, and not Nazi. V Ming explicitly referred to the occupation as "anti-imperialism," not anti-fascism.

Having worked with V Ming, Regional Defense Committee, and Antifa as an imperialist in Asgard (particularly in Hitler Youth), I think this is unfortunate. On the other hand, can't say I'm surprised that they're branching out; there really aren't a lot of founderless fascist regions that lack a password out there, so it makes sense for the NS left to broaden their scope to include capitalism and imperialism. This is particularly true now that GCRs and others are focusing more on raiding fascists and Nazis. But it will probably mean Antifa et al. will lose some allies in their fight against fascists and Nazis.

[Feuer Ritter]

If the old forums weren't down, there'd be a wealth of information.

Forums online

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Antifa making that mistake themselves? Wonderful. Hammer has to come down, because Das Imperium was most certainly not a fascist region. It certainly doesn't have a "long history" - NS Dossier provides the evidence for that. If the old forums weren't down, there'd be a wealth of information. Sadly, we shall have to make do with the embassy application of Das Imperium in the Land of Kings and Emperors, which should be more than enough to prove once and for all that this region has exactly zero Nazi affiliation.

I don't think they're mistaking it for a fascist region. They're using phrases like "far right," "extreme right wing," and "imperialist" -- but not fascist, and not Nazi. V Ming explicitly referred to the occupation as "anti-imperialism," not anti-fascism.

Having worked with V Ming, Regional Defense Committee, and Antifa as an imperialist in Asgard (particularly in Hitler Youth), I think this is unfortunate. On the other hand, can't say I'm surprised that they're branching out; there really aren't a lot of founderless fascist regions that lack a password out there, so it makes sense for the NS left to broaden their scope to include capitalism and imperialism. This is particularly true now that GCRs and others are focusing more on raiding fascists and Nazis. But it will probably mean Antifa et al. will lose some allies in their fight against fascists and Nazis.

Valid, but I don't know where they got the idea of the region being "old" from.

If the old forums weren't down, there'd be a wealth of information.

Forums online

...what happened to everything -on- them?

[The Dark]

I believe, though I was gone before this happened, that the original founder or one of the new admins destroyed everything in an attempt to move to the new board.

[Bundabunda]

Antifa making that mistake themselves? Wonderful. . It certainly doesn't have a "long history" - NS Dossier provides the evidence for that. If the old forums weren't down, there'd be a wealth of information. Sadly, we shall have to make do with the embassy application of Das Imperium in the Land of Kings and Emperors, which should be more than enough to prove once and for all that .

Your interpretation of how Antifa "works" is laughable at best. Antifa's more like a coalition umbrella: it's made up of several orgs who occasionally work with each other. This is an RDC operation, and we'd never limit ourselves to just fascism, considering that we have anti-imperialists and anti-capitalists in our midst. So there's mistake one.

because Das Imperium was most certainly not a fascist region

Good thing we never claimed it as such. If you actually read V-Ming's post, you'd see "In the name of anti-imperialism, shut down the empire!" Point falls moot. Again.

Hammer has to come down,

Somebody's going to draft up a condemnation, aren't they?

this region has exactly zero Nazi affiliation

I think I've already answered this bit.

This isn't official rhetoric or a "statement" a la UDL or anything like that. My sig should make that perfectly clear.

[Cerian Quilor]

You call yourselves Antifa. As in AntiFascism. The Antifa region calls itself (arrogantly, and falsely) a monument/rememberence of all the people who have died fighting fascism, as if what you people do actually honors the dead.

Get a better name, and get that Stick of Sanctimoniousness +5 out of your collective asses.