Embassy of the South Pacific

[Todd McCloud]

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Anyway that's kind of an example of the venom / bad blood I'm talking about. How can positive change be made with all that toxicity (both on and off site)?


Also some of the links in your signature are broken.

[Kringalia]

Out of historical curiosity, what would you say comprises the MATT-DUCK era and what would you say was the disruptive event that separated the Bellz era from the Fudgie era?

[Todd McCloud]

Out of historical curiosity, what would you say comprises the MATT-DUCK era and what would you say was the disruptive event that separated the Bellz era from the Fudgie era?

THE MATT-DUCK era is pretty much the middle of two periods - the period where TSP was couped and a few of their WA delegates were ejected for rule violations, and where they started working on their laws and underwent a calm period (like when the_shaft or htz3 took over and was followed by a few terms of Caer Rialis). Some of CR's time could probably be put into place in the Fudge era, but since that era is so large, it's kind of borderline.

I wasn't around during TMD era though, so I can't really make a whole lot of comments on it. I just remember the "old guard" at the time I joined TSP talking about how very different the region was at that time.

Bellz's era really marked the end of the longstanding cabinet members in TSP. Folks like CR, Kloister, Mavenu, JDelight (I think that was their name), htz, Tsrill, etc all retired or took on low-activity roles in the region, leaving voids to be filled by up-and-coming TSPers.

[Kringalia]

Why call it THE MATT-DUCK era though? Wasn't LadyRebels a more prominent figure, and long serving delegate, during that period?

[Pierconium]

Why call it THE MATT-DUCK era though? Wasn't LadyRebels a more prominent figure, and long serving delegate, during that period?

MATT-DUCK was a well-liked member of the community that unfortunately had a tragic RL accident that removed him from the game. LadyRebels was initially part of the ACC and an invading force. She gained the respect of her peers and the nations in TSP over a period of time, but the memory of why she was in control lingered. M-D took over for her on a couple of occasions while she was away from the game and was more hands-on than LR in governing the region.

At least that is my memory of it.

[Belschaft]

Eh, I think Todd was just looking for convenient names to attach to the various time periods. What he called the "Hillvile" period (late 2011-early 2014) wasn't dominated by Hileville, he was just one of several prominent players who were at the centre of government for it, and the same is true for the other periods.

[Kringalia]

MATT-DUCK was a well-liked member of the community that unfortunately had a tragic RL accident that removed him from the game. LadyRebels was initially part of the ACC and an invading force. She gained the respect of her peers and the nations in TSP over a period of time, but the memory of why she was in control lingered. M-D took over for her on a couple of occasions while she was away from the game and was more hands-on than LR in governing the region.

I knew who TMD was, but I did find it interesting to learn a bit about his governing style. Thanks a lot for that detail!

Eh, I think Todd was just looking for convenient names to attach to the various time periods. What he called the "Hillvile" period (late 2011-early 2014) wasn't dominated by Hileville, he was just one of several prominent players who were at the centre of government for it, and the same is true for the other periods.

Time to revive that MoRA-led Historical Project! I think it would be really fascinating to write some accounts and analysis of our regional history.

[Solorni]

On the subject of GR as TSP which Unibot made points about, one of the things I've noticed is that his public relations is really poor. This was something Glen himself alluded on the forums, where after a somewhat nasty debate with Cormac, his final post on the matter was held up as an example of how he should confront issues as an admin. A lot of his posts come across as nasty and brutish rather than displaying good signs of public relations or how someone should approach a customer when he is discussing admin stuff. This is not how I am expected to deal with people as a supervisor in my work place. I think it would do him wonders to try to present a neutral and balanced framework when dealing with admin issues in TSP. As well, more accountability or at least presenting the image of accountability rather than presenting an image of infallibility would go a long way. There is a reason Tsu is albeit underrated, considered to be by far the best admin in TSP, at least when it comes to PR. It has always been my personal feeling that those in authority must hold themselves to a higher standard.

Perhaps this is only from feeling a bit sorry for GR (I'm a softie), but I do think he could rehabilitate his image into a positive and unifying figure for TSP.

[Glen-Rhodes]

This isn't a work place. None of you are my customers. This is an online game, where there are vicious personal feuds.

There are players who find me a acerbic. There are players who are my friends and don't really have a problem with what I post. The same is true for everybody else. I don't really appreciate that I'm being held to some super high standard, and if I don't meet it, it must be because I have zero social skills.

Maybe people just don't get along.

It's not like the majority of people who post in this forum are the epitome of politeness and timidity.


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[Pierconium]

This isn't a work place. None of you are my customers. This is an online game, where there are vicious personal feuds.

There are players who find me a acerbic. There are players who are my friends and don't really have a problem with what I post. The same is true for everybody else. I don't really appreciate that I'm being held to some super high standard, and if I don't meet it, it must be because I have zero social skills.

Maybe people just don't get along.

It's not like the majority of people who post in this forum are the epitome of politeness and timidity.


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Good stuff.

[Ambroscus Koth]

This isn't a work place. None of you are my customers. This is an online game, where there are vicious personal feuds.

There are players who find me a acerbic. There are players who are my friends and don't really have a problem with what I post. The same is true for everybody else. I don't really appreciate that I'm being held to some super high standard, and if I don't meet it, it must be because I have zero social skills.

Maybe people just don't get along.

It's not like the majority of people who post in this forum are the epitome of politeness and timidity.


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Lol I'd be straight up lynched if I acted like this in my capacity as OFO root, and I wouldn't tolerate this kind of inflated self-importance from any of my team. Sure, this is a game and not a workplace. But you're supposed to be a part of the foundation and infrastructure of a healthy community, game or not.

[Pierconium]

This isn't a work place. None of you are my customers. This is an online game, where there are vicious personal feuds.

There are players who find me a acerbic. There are players who are my friends and don't really have a problem with what I post. The same is true for everybody else. I don't really appreciate that I'm being held to some super high standard, and if I don't meet it, it must be because I have zero social skills.

Maybe people just don't get along.

It's not like the majority of people who post in this forum are the epitome of politeness and timidity.


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Lol I'd be straight up lynched if I acted like this in my capacity as OFO root, and I wouldn't tolerate this kind of inflated self-importance from any of my team. Sure, this is a game and not a workplace. But you're supposed to be a part of the foundation and infrastructure of a healthy community, game or not.

While I personally do not agree with many of Glen-Rhodes' politics here in NationStates, I do not believe anything he stated was 'inflated self-importance'. It is more of a realpolitik position of understanding that not everyone sits in a circle holding hands and singing kumbaya all of the time. People disagree, sometimes vehemently. And this occasionally results in hurt feelings, rejection, or betrayal. All of these are aspects of the game as well.

[Ambroscus Koth]

He refuses to separate his realpolitik from his admin position, that's the problem Ivan. Administration should not be a political weapon, and Glen-Rhodes refuses to give up any little bit of the stranglehold he has.

[Pierconium]

He refuses to separate his realpolitik from his admin position, that's the problem Ivan. Administration should not be a political weapon, and Glen-Rhodes refuses to give up any little bit of the stranglehold he has.

If that is correct then I agree with you, I did not read that from his response. As I cannot say that it is so from personal experience, I will take your word for it and leave it be.

Forum administration has always been OOC to me and should be absent any IC political differences.

[Icecream Princess]

This isn't a work place. None of you are my customers. This is an online game, where there are vicious personal feuds.

There are players who find me a acerbic. There are players who are my friends and don't really have a problem with what I post. The same is true for everybody else. I don't really appreciate that I'm being held to some super high standard, and if I don't meet it, it must be because I have zero social skills.

Maybe people just don't get along.

It's not like the majority of people who post in this forum are the epitome of politeness and timidity.


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Lol I'd be straight up lynched if I acted like this in my capacity as OFO root, and I wouldn't tolerate this kind of inflated self-importance from any of my team. Sure, this is a game and not a workplace. But you're supposed to be a part of the foundation and infrastructure of a healthy community, game or not.

*Continues to sharpen her pitchforks and torches* > : )

[Unibot III]

I hate the term "public relations" - it only ever means what a certain group in NS thinks of you. The most common complaint lodged against my leadership of the UDL was that "Unibot should just do the military and politics things and leave someone else to be the face of the organization for PR" - at the time that complaint really hurt me because I was trying quite hard to be the face of the organization, now I just find it funny that some people thought I should organize everything in an organization and have a patsy do the talking points for me - do people actually enjoy being lied to? It sounds so cynical to me, I think it's hilarious that people actually want to have their world disguised like that. Like that'd be a feature. It's silly.

I also don't get why Glen-Rhodes, whose job is to run the forum, should act like a camp counselor. He's only ever forced to do that because the forum administrator's mandate has been bloated by the Assembly's resistance to fixing our citizenship process (which is actually impossible ), our justice system (which is deliberately blind to cabinet affairs) and our elections (where the last guy to run our elections independent of the admins was also the guy who attempted to organize the biggest case of election fraud possibly in NS history.)

[Icecream Princess]

When I was thinking of other NS leaders who struggled with PR, I was thinking of you as the prime example of this. It's no wonder you and Glen get along so well xD

[Unibot III]

When I was thinking of other NS leaders who struggled with PR, I was thinking of you as the prime example of this. It's no wonder you and Glen get along so well xD

I have the energy to write treatises and work on something for ages but even I have limits. Being nice to some players was exhausting.

[Ambroscus Koth]

When I was thinking of other NS leaders who struggled with PR, I was thinking of you as the prime example of this. It's no wonder you and Glen get along so well xD

I have the energy to write treatises and work on something for ages but even I have limits. Being nice to some players was exhausting.

Good thing you had such a great handle on who you were nice to in this game then, right?

Anyway, as long as we're talking about inflated senses of self-importance, I'd prefer to keep the discussion in this thread related to the ones that are relevant to TSP.

[Eluvatar]

Courtesy is not dishonesty.

[Unibot III]

Courtesy is not dishonesty.

Courtesy is a privilege best earned.

I have the energy to write treatises and work on something for ages but even I have limits. Being nice to some players was exhausting.

Good thing you had such a great handle on who you were nice to in this game then, right?

Anyway, as long as we're talking about inflated senses of self-importance, I'd prefer to keep the discussion in this thread related to the ones that are relevant to TSP.

I have, and always have had, a terrible handle on that - and yes, TSP.

I still don't get how we're supposed to equate Glen-Rhodes not being "nice" - with couping the Coalition. Those are not equal sentiments. And yet one group in the South Pacific seems to want to share responsibility for the coup with Glen-Rhodes. But he wasn't the one who couped the Coalition, was he? And besides, if "not being nice" was a legitimate justification for couping the Coalition, Glen-Rhodes and I could have couped the South Pacific way back when a handful of players organized an attempt to break nearly ever law in the South Pacific to ensure we weren't elected. Or when I was banned from TSP's forum for, er, not saying nice things about TSP? Or when Todd McCloud tried to get me recalled as MoJ because I was opposed to the TNI-TSP treaty and thus showed "bad judgement"??

There are tons of grievances and literally none of them would justify couping the South Pacific.

You know when the cabinet made the decision to declare Belschaft a security threat - I was sick to my stomach - and I know at least two other cabinet ministers were very troubled about having to make that call. Belschaft. The guy's broke every law on the book - and many of them against me. But I knew he had contributed to TSP a lot and probably loved the region even if he didn't always act like it. I pursued the call because I knew he was a security threat but that doesn't mean it was an easy call to make and it wasn't easy for any of the people that this side of the South Pacific, Kringalia or Glen-Rhodes, is calling cruel and mean. When the Transitional Government took power, Hileville did not hesitate to ban Kringalia, Glen-Rhodes, Farengeto (and me, but I'm really not crying foul, I'd ban me too) - it never seemed to dawn on him those were players who had contributed as much to TSP as he had - he banned them with ease and lied about them in public. A number of people in the Transitional Government's supporters are former or current regional griefers, so why the hell should they feel sensitive about removing people from their regions - I get that. But these sides in the South Pacific are not moral equals here. One side in the South Pacific would not blink to eject and ban players they don't like - commit to treason, blackmail, corruption, election fraud and organized crime - provided they can get control of the South Pacific. No wonder the other side wants the law to be followed - it's the only thing standing between them and getting thrown out on their asses into the cold.

[RiderSyl]

Wow.

You've got a staff issue, TSP.

[Cormac Stark]

No wonder the other side wants the law to be followed - it's the only thing standing between them and getting thrown out on their asses into the cold.

And you are the only one who thinks this would have a positive outcome, because you want to wrest control of the South Pacific to pursue your foreign, defender agenda. You don't care anymore about the state of the community than does anyone guilty of the accusations you're making, if such a person even exists beyond the caricature you've created in your mind. That makes you better than anyone you're constantly attacking in this thread how?

[Unibot III]

No wonder the other side wants the law to be followed - it's the only thing standing between them and getting thrown out on their asses into the cold.

And you are the only one who thinks this would have a positive outcome, because you want to wrest control of the South Pacific to pursue your foreign, defender agenda

I didn't "wrest control" of the South Pacific "to pursue a foreign, defender agenda." I never advocated for a defender TSP or at least not since about 2011 (when at the time the idea was being actively considered by folks including Belschaft and Hileville. Times change.) I was and am a defender but that doesn't mean I wasn't a sincere member of TSP; I served to the best of my ability as a member of the Assembly, Chair and Justice. That's something that I don't think can be said about my critics - who openly broke the law in number of cases and abused their positions for an interpersonal, political and ideological crusade.

There's two stories here. The first is that I'm an evil entryist whose presence would mark the end of TSP's military neutrality if Belschaft and co.'s valiant efforts to break as many laws as possible weren't successful in removing me, the Caped Crusader and my tight-clad sidekick (sorry Glen, you're the sidekick rarrrrh!).

The other is that Glen-Rhodes and I just had different opinions on things than Belschaft and co. and, seeing us a threat to their power and control over the South Pacific, this necessitated a grave and criminal retaliation justified under the former cock and bull story. Since you'll never get inside my head, I guess you'll never know which one is true for certain.

[Cormac Stark]

There's two stories here. The first is that I'm an evil entryist whose presence would mark the end of TSP's military neutrality if Belschaft and co.'s valiant efforts to break as many laws as possible weren't successful in removing me, the Caped Crusader and my tight-clad sidekick (sorry Glen, you're the sidekick rarrrrh!).

The other is that Glen-Rhodes and I just had different opinions on things than Belschaft and co. and, seeing us a threat to their power and control over the South Pacific, this necessitated a grave and criminal retaliation justified under the former cock and bull story. Since you'll never get inside my head, I guess you'll never know which one is true for certain.

I don't want to be inside your head. Believe me.

Don't lump yourself in with Glen-Rhodes. Whatever his faults, Glen-Rhodes has made actual contributions to TSP and isn't currently busying himself with constantly undermining any attempt at community reconciliation. Glen-Rhodes is a citizen of the South Pacific. Glen-Rhodes isn't being considered for a forum ban in TSP for unapologetic OOC behavior. There is a world of difference between you and Glen-Rhodes.