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by The North Polish Union » Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:08 pm
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
by Glen-Rhodes » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:44 am
Treaty of Peace and Amity
Preamble.
The South Pacific and The Rejected Realms, endeavoring to promote the ideals of unity and peace among Game-Created Regions, ensure good relations and cooperation between our two great regions, and recognize the legitimate governments of each other, have agreed to the following Treaty of Peace and Amity.
Article I. Mutual Recognition of Government Legitimacy.
Section 1. The parties to this treaty recognize the government of each region, based upon its constitutions and laws, as legitimate, and will not extend that recognition to any government that comes to power through means not prescribed by law, which shall be determined by the legitimate government in question.
Section 2. Should the government of either party fundamentally change, but not violate the terms of the previous section, the parties may adopt a memorandum of understanding extending the provisions of this treaty to the new government.
Article II. Non-Aggression.
Section 1. The parties to this treaty vow neither to attack the home region of the other party nor participate in any action with the intent to overthrow their legitimate government.
Section 2. Both parties will refrain from conspiring, either directly or through a third party, to destabilize or overthrow the legitimate government of either party.
Section 3. Both parties will refrain from conducting clandestine operations, espionage, or other forms of spying against either party.
Section 4. Both parties will, in good faith, report any known threat or concern related to the other party's security, to the appropriate security organs.
Article III. Mutual Defense.
Section 1. The parties to this treaty may seek assistance for their self-defense by lodging an official request with the appropriate officials.
Section 2. Both parties agree to aid each other against attempts to illegally overthrow the in-game Delegate of their respective home regions.
Section 3. All other requests for aid will be considered on a case-by-case basis, and subject to Article V's conditions.
Article IV. Cultural Exchange and Cooperation.
The parties to this treaty will endeavor to conduct communal cultural activities, to the benefit of the people of both parties, and to strengthen the institutions of peace and liberty.
Article V. Cooperation on Military Affairs.
Section 1. The parties to this treaty agree to work with each other, from time to time, and as circumstances permit, on mutually beneficial military operations, including training missions and confidence-building measures.
Section 2. In pursuing cooperation in military operations, both parties agree that participation on the opposite sides of a military engagement do not automatically constitute hostility or an attack on either party.
Section 3. Both parties agree to keep classified any information regarding military affairs, and only publish that information in a manner mutually agreed upon.
Section 4. Both parties agree to share intelligence as circumstances permit.
Article VI. Peaceful Settlement of Disputes.
The parties to this treaty undertake to settle any and all disputes between them through peaceful means and to refrain from using the threat of force or sanction against one another while this treaty is in force.
Article VII. Deposit and Clarification of Terms.
Section 1. This treaty shall be deposited in a publicly accessible area of the community forums of both parties.
Section 2. The parties to this treaty may, from time to time, clarify the terms of this treaty through memorandums of understanding, which shall be posted alongside the treaty.
Article VIII. Suspension of Terms and Termination of the Treaty.
Section 1. Either party may suspend the terms of the treaty, if the other party has materially breached its terms, until such a time that both parties peacefully settle the dispute and adopt a memorandum of understanding that the treaty is again in force.
Section 2. Either party may terminate the treaty with five days notice, posted publicly in the forum of deposit in both regions, after which the terms of treaty are no longer binding on either party.
by Unibot III » Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:50 pm
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Glen-Rhodes » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:21 am
by Karpathos » Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:13 am
by Cormac A Stark » Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:55 am
by Karpathos » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:12 pm
Cormac A Stark wrote:The people of Cormac A Stark send their condolences to the two previous posters on the sad occasion of their continued butthurt.
I mean, really.
by Glen-Rhodes » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:33 pm
by Christopher Bishop » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:59 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Following the liberation of Liberal Haven, OnderKelkia, the military commander of The New Inquisition, berated Geomania for granting an interview to The Rejected Times. This incident and each prior communication, which was in itself rare and occasional, left the Cabinet with a feeling that The New Inquisition considered us a junior partner in the alliance. The Cabinet sent an official complaint to The New Inquisition and the United Imperial Armed Forces regarding OnderKelkia’s behaviour. We were told by both that the issue would be looked into, with no apology or even a response as of today.
by I Am Guy Fawkes » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:08 pm
Venico wrote:So raiders now have open season on TSP again?
by Venico » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:22 pm
by Glen-Rhodes » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:28 pm
Christopher Bishop wrote:It was not addressed to me and I've no authority over Onder. So your claim that the UIAF told you this would be looked into is wrong. I didn't reply.
Christopher Bishop wrote:Geomania approached Onder, not the other way round, having heard that Onder had expressed concerns about his conduct to Kringalia and Onder politely (perhaps too much so given his actions) explained our policy, namely that UIAF operations should not be discussed in interviews with enemy outlets.
Christopher Bishop wrote:The conversation ended with Geomania telling Onder that he 'appreciate[d] your candor on the matter'.
Venico wrote:So raiders now have open season on TSP again?
by Kringalia » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:39 pm
Christopher Bishop wrote:Geomania approached Onder, not the other way round, having heard that Onder had expressed concerns about his conduct to Kringalia and Onder politely (perhaps too much so given his actions) explained our policy, namely that UIAF operations should not be discussed in interviews with enemy outlets.
by Cormac A Stark » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:48 pm
by Klaus Devestatorie » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:52 pm
Oh no, we can't metagame with POLITICS around!
by Venico » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:56 pm
Cormac A Stark wrote:Of course neither the TNI treaty nor any other treaty protected TSP from Durk or Mall last year, so the effect any treaty has in restraining raiders may be a bit exaggerated.
by Cormac A Stark » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:00 pm
Venico wrote:Cormac A Stark wrote:Of course neither the TNI treaty nor any other treaty protected TSP from Durk or Mall last year, so the effect any treaty has in restraining raiders may be a bit exaggerated.
It brought the UIAF crashing in and kept raiders out from the pile. Blame the RPers for that one, not raiders.
by The Grim Reaper » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:01 pm
by Christopher Bishop » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:03 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:You're the Joint Commander of the UIAF. Onder is an Associate Commander. Unless these ranks mean nothing, you did have the ability to talk to Onder and tell him to watch what he says. Given that it was a UIAF mission that triggered the specific communication we complained about, you were definitely in a position to issue a personal apology -- even a fake one -- on behalf of Onder.
Glen-Rhodes wrote:An ally made a formal complaint regarding the behavior of an operative. Do we really think the right way to go about that is to just not respond?
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Onder may believe that he was being polite, and certainly he spoke in his signature emotionless way, but that is now how it was taken by Geomania. He posted in TSP's private Cabinet office with the thread titled, "I was berated on Skype by Onder Kelkia." There was a reason Geomania felt berated --- Onder approached Geomania with no tact whatsoever. It was not a conversation among equals, but a scolding by TNI/UIAF.
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Geomania was told he shouldn't speak to The Rejected Times about the UIAF, with Onder specifically mentioning Unibot as a reason. It's incredibly inappropriate for an ally to demand control over to whom their treaty party may speak. That was made clear in our complaint, which to this day never received a response besides "we'll look into it." Onder even specifically complained about an innocuous statement I made. The take-away of the entire conversation being that members of TSP's government shouldn't communicate with TRT or participate in their threads. It was inappropriate. We said so. We didn't get a response, not even a fake apology.
Glen-Rhodes wrote:That's because Geomania knows how to act in a diplomatic manner.
[7:14:41 PM] Onder Kelkia: Thank you for acknowledging that
[7:14:49 PM] Onder Kelkia: I'm not saying this is a major problem or anything
[7:15:01 PM] Onder Kelkia: I was merely pointing out that as a matter of protocol all these issues could have been handled a lot better.
[7:15:08 PM] geox158: Thank you
[7:15:13 PM] geox158: i appreciate your candor on the matter
Kringalia wrote:Christopher Bishop wrote:Geomania approached Onder, not the other way round, having heard that Onder had expressed concerns about his conduct to Kringalia and Onder politely (perhaps too much so given his actions) explained our policy, namely that UIAF operations should not be discussed in interviews with enemy outlets.
The South Pacific does not take orders from anyone. OnderKelkia had no right whatsoever to control who we talked to, and that conduct was more insulting considering it came from a supposed ally.
by Venico » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:17 pm
Cormac A Stark wrote:Venico wrote:
It brought the UIAF crashing in and kept raiders out from the pile. Blame the RPers for that one, not raiders.
I certainly wasn't suggesting that UIAF didn't help with the liberation last year. I was referring to Durk and Mall choosing to share Milograd's nation during the coup, despite TSP having a treaty alliance with TNI.
Durk may not be considered a raider (?), but Mall certainly is.
by Nierr » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:07 pm
Venico wrote:Cormac A Stark wrote:Of course neither the TNI treaty nor any other treaty protected TSP from Durk or Mall last year, so the effect any treaty has in restraining raiders may be a bit exaggerated.
It brought the UIAF crashing in and kept raiders out from the pile. Blame the RPers for that one, not raiders.
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