Embassy of the South Pacific

[RiderSyl]

I'll admit, when I saw that it was freakin' Kazmr voicing opposition to this coup, I went 'Hey, wait a minute, that's not right.'
It's like seeing Tony the Tiger voicing opposition to cereal. Just.. what.

What is that supposed to mean? Like... I'm supposed to be a supporter of coups? Or that I'm not supposed to oppose a flagrant breach of power and the expulsion of people I have long had a positive working relationship with?

I mean... You're most notable, at least to me, for being highly trusted in the NPO's coup of Lazarus and then pulling that ridiculous 180 that broke Milograd's heart.
So to see you now opposing a coup when your most notable act was achieved through being a big part of a coup... Yeah. The 'positive working relationship' bit clears it up some though.

[Valrifell]

I, for one, support any movement to bring established institutions to their knees.

AN-ARCH-Y! AN-ARCH-Y! AN-ARCH-Y!

[Kazmr]

I was working with the legitimate government, Funk and everyone, from the very start of the NLO, and coordinated my actions with them entirely. The reason I was trusted by Milo and them was because of my personal relationship with Milo, not because I necessarily have an affinity with coupers We're still friends and talk to one another outside the site, so its not as though the bridge was burned thankfully, but in the end I made the choice between the community (with many I call friends as well) and one friendship, and I chose the former.

Now that my phone is almost dead too, and I need it for later, this will actually be my last post here

[Glen-Rhodes]

Fwiw, the policy on SPINN has always been that anybody can take over, if the previous EIC hasn't been active. I experimented with restarting it after Belschaft rebranded it the Independent-something-or-other. I stopped writing because I got busy, had nobody expressing interest in writing for it, and Kris was doing a better job with the Southern Journal anyways. :/


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[Icecream Princess]

Balder is also significantly younger than Lazarus. In the time that Balder has been around, there are only two events in Lazarus that could in some way be called a coup. So yes, the idea that because I'm from Lazarus and therefore that somehow warps my perspective on coups is ridiculous.

Only two? This also includes what set in motion the current government that some still see as illegitimate. That is why your position is considered untenable.

As for independents and imperialists, I'm sorry, but thats certainly not true. Balder and Osi might be more active at the moment, but like everywhere, things go in cycles. Not too long ago it was literally the opposite, where TRR and Laz wildly outpaced Balder and Osiris in activity. Sometimes regions are more active, sometimes not. Also, I have literally never heard us called the "sick men", so I'm not really sure how you can claim that thats a wide opinion.

This is completely untrue. Lazarus briefly I believe outpaced Balder, but quickly it reverts to its mean of inactivity. I believe that Balder's forums have more posts than all of Lazarus' put together over its much longer history (this makes sense since I believe TRR was first). Thus, Lazarus has certainly been the least active of all the sinkers over time. Even as recently as last term, Lazarus was asking for handouts from the GCR community in the form of asking for favourable recruiting promises (whereas Balder and Osiris have never needed such things). The concept of a sick man in Europe was about countries that were struggling mightily which I believe applies here. The idea that Lazarus would not do better if it governed by regionalists or independents is a silly one. Of course Lazarus would do better!

Give Lazarus to Balder for a year and we'll show you what we can do!

This opinion, though, is what I find to be the MOST toxic thing far and away about independents, and why they never get along with defenders. Anyone voicing a defender viewpoint for a region or simply making friends with defender regions is attacked, slandered, accused of being subservient to outside influences, etc. Essentially, friendliness to defenders is simply not recognized as something which can benefit a region, and thus anyone espousing it is dismissed as dangerous. Thats why someone like GR can be accused of devious scheming when in fact he was open during his entire career that he thought TSP could benefit from making friends with defenders. He never made that a secret, and yet his opponents act like we should all be surprised when he pushes a treaty with a region like Lazarus, as if he somehow tricked us. Meanwhile someone pushing relations with an independent or raider aligned region and its taken without question.

This is entirely incorrect. True regionalist defenders are almost never criticized or as you call it "attacked". That is why you will rarely if ever see an independent regionalist criticizing members of 10KI or Spiritus. In fact, I have the highest praise for 10KI whom I believe are the greatest recruiters ever and at various times have been friends with many members of their community. In fact, when in Europeia I have constantly encouraged them to adopt their recruiting methods.

It is only defenders who have engaged in ridiculous levels of political manipulation without any concern for building regions that are criticized.

Btw, would you mind letting me know who you are? Its not very fun arguing with an anonymous puppet constantly throwing shade at you. Sounds like Rach?

I didn't think it was a secret.

[SouthMac]

Btw, would you mind letting me know who you are? Its not very fun arguing with an anonymous puppet constantly throwing shade at you. Sounds like Rach?

I didn't think it was a secret.

She's using this nation as her citizenship nation in TSP, so it really wasn't a secret for anyone who bothered to do a quick search on the forum.

[Icecream Princess]

Also, Icecream princess with a Canadian flag....

[Sovreignry]

Right, because standard procedure when it comes to puppets is to go into every region's offsite forum and look through their citizenship rolls.

[Icecream Princess]

Right, because standard procedure when it comes to puppets is to go into every region's offsite forum and look through their citizenship rolls.

I do it every day when I wake up!

[RiderSyl]

Right, because standard procedure when it comes to puppets is to go into every region's offsite forum and look through their citizenship rolls.

Well, going into the regional forum of the region they're in to see if they list their main there isn't that far step to take if you're getting irritated by the puppetry.

[Siberian Districts]

I have zero interest in getting into a prolonged debate with Kazmr over things that are only tangentially related to what is going on in TSP. There's too much good stuff happening in TSP to bother, and everyone should come check it out.

Pretty much this!
Whether you're for, or against this movement, I think we can we can all agree this is going to be a fun couple of weeks.

[Consular]

Somehow I suspect some of the people being banned are going to find it not as fun.

[RiderSyl]

Somehow I suspect some of the people being banned are going to find it not as fun.

Yeah, I'll pity the TSP politicians that got banned... in about... uh... never.

[SouthMac]

Somehow I suspect some of the people being banned are going to find it not as fun.

All three of them?

[Hileville]

Somehow I suspect some of the people being banned are going to find it not as fun.

All three of them?

4. I banned Unibot as well.

[RiderSyl]

All three of them?

4. I banned Unibot as well.

I don't officially support the coup, but boy do I support the choice of ejectees!

[Eluvatar]

4. I banned Unibot as well.

I don't officially support the coup, but boy do I support the choice of ejectees!

What did Farengeto do to offend you?

[Brunhizzle]

At the very least this is entertaining to watch. Ultimately what is done is done and, barring a miracle, won't see a change but man I do hope the drama continues. I'm cooking popcorn and everything.

[Kringalia]

Statement from the Committee for State Security
On the Breach of Constitutional Order by the Cabinet

On 31 January 2016, the Cabinet of the South Pacific attempted to dissolve the Charter, Code of Laws and all legal institutions of the Coalition, in contravention of laws and precedents established throughout the past thirteen years. In addition, Delegate Hileville and Regional Officers SJS Republic and Imkitopia, banned and ejected Sandaoguo, Kringalia and Farengeto, three members of this Committee, without legal cause or due process.

This is a serious breach of constitutional order and tantamount to a coup d’état. We stand with the native population of the South Pacific in opposing these actions and vow to work tirelessly towards a restoration of the Coalition under legitimate and democratic leadership. Hileville was elected with a mandate to work towards a more pacific and unified regional community. His actions are proving highly destabilising and divisive, and show a lack of respect for the history and achievements of the region.

Today a majority of the Committee voted to declare a state of emergency, due to the rogue actions of the Cabinet. We will be contemplating further measures in addition to the state of emergency in the course of the follow days, many of which will be submitted to the Assembly for due approval. Business will continue as usual in our official forum, which is now located at http://tspforums.xyz.

We thank those allies who had already expressed their support. They have our gratitude. We encourage all other like-minded regions to support our legitimate government, one that has endured the test of time for thirteen years, one that was created from consensus and cooperation, not through tyranny and division.

Such grievous violations of our democracy will not stand. The Coalition is alive. It is here to stay.

The Committee for State Security

[Mousebumples]

Statement from the Committee for State Security
On the Breach of Constitutional Order by the Cabinet

On 31 January 2016, the Cabinet of the South Pacific attempted to dissolve the Charter, Code of Laws and all legal institutions of the Coalition, in contravention of laws and precedents established throughout the past thirteen years. In addition, Delegate Hileville and Regional Officers SJS Republic and Imkitopia, banned and ejected Sandaoguo, Kringalia and Farengeto, three members of this Committee, without legal cause or due process.

This is a serious breach of constitutional order and tantamount to a coup d’état. We stand with the native population of the South Pacific in opposing these actions and vow to work tirelessly towards a restoration of the Coalition under legitimate and democratic leadership. Hileville was elected with a mandate to work towards a more pacific and unified regional community. His actions are proving highly destabilising and divisive, and show a lack of respect for the history and achievements of the region.

Today a majority of the Committee voted to declare a state of emergency, due to the rogue actions of the Cabinet. We will be contemplating further measures in addition to the state of emergency in the course of the follow days, many of which will be submitted to the Assembly for due approval. Business will continue as usual in our official forum, which is now located at http://tspforums.xyz.

We thank those allies who had already expressed their support. They have our gratitude. We encourage all other like-minded regions to support our legitimate government, one that has endured the test of time for thirteen years, one that was created from consensus and cooperation, not through tyranny and division.

Such grievous violations of our democracy will not stand. The Coalition is alive. It is here to stay.

The Committee for State Security

We know who is in the Cabinet of the Transitional Government. Who is on this "Committee" ? It's hypothetically persuasive to say "a majority of the Committee voted" - but it's much more persuasive if we know who is on this Committee (and, of course, how big said Committee is).

[Kringalia]

We know who is in the Cabinet of the Transitional Government. Who is on this "Committee" ? It's hypothetically persuasive to say "a majority of the Committee voted" - but it's much more persuasive if we know who is on this Committee (and, of course, how big said Committee is).

Just to give some brief context, the Committee is our equivalent of a security council. You can find current and past memberships of the Committee here. It currently has six full members, but as per High Court Ruling LQ1503, Delegate Hileville does not have a vote until his term finishes.

[Hileville]

Kris,

I think you forgot to point out that under the Charter (that has been dissolved), the CSS has no authority to declare a State of Emergency unless requested by the Delegate (me). It should also be noted that I am still the Delegate of the Coalition Government, unless the CSS has also empowered the Vice Delegate (Imki) to act as Delegate per Article 6, Section 3, Clause 6. I can also confirm that Imki has not asked for a State of Emergency. I have not been recalled form office, I have not been convicted of any crimes, and I have not lost my Citizenship according to the Charter (again that is now dissolved).

The CSS has no legal authority whatsoever per your laws.

The Official Regional Forums of the South Pacific reside at http://thesouthpacific.org where a Constitutional Convention is taking place.

Thanks!

[Farengeto Embassy 2]

The Coalition of the South Pacific does not recognize you illegitimate dictatorship. Call us a vocal minority if you want but you gravely overestimate yourself. You circumvented our Assembly, overthrew our forums, dismantled the Committee for State Security and then spat in the face of our Judiciary before finally decided to purge the opposition from your regime and destroyed the very community you were elected to lead. You can feign your superior ignorance if you want but this is illegal and a coup, and everyone knows it.

[Zadiner]

But when it's done in the way your government has done it, it is very wrong.
I might have supported a change in TSP if it wasn't secretive and was handled in a different way, by different people.

Because no one at all saw this coming, or who would be involved. Yep.

What? It is secretive, because it all happened before the public knew anything. And as far as I know, you're not a TSP resident, so you wouldn't know.

[Ryccia]

Hile, by betraying the Coalition with a stab on the back, you have indirectly resigned as Delegate of the Coalition. By murdering democracy, you have no trust. Even if you are our official Delegate, I'd rather disobey you than follow your regime.

You are very corrupt. Very, very corrupt. Not only have you banned your opposition, you have destroyed the rule of law by ignoring a Court decision. How far will you go?