Embassy of the South Pacific

[Cormac Stark]

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I'm not sure how much clearer I can make this to you, and I'll probably get warned (or worse) for this but I honestly don't care:

No one with any respect for female NationStates players values your opinion on this or any other matter, because you've been banned from The Rejected Realms off-site platforms by two game moderators for sexual harassment. No one with any respect for female NationStates players wants you involved in this or any other matter in any capacity. No one with any respect for female NationStates players takes anything you say at all seriously anymore. Everyone with any respect for female NationStates players just wants you to go away.

Is that clear enough for you, Unibot? You disgust us, and rightfully so. Go away.

[Riftey]

No one with any respect for female NationStates players values your opinion on this or any other matter, because you've been banned from The Rejected Realms off-site platforms by two game moderators for sexual harassment. No one with any respect for female NationStates players wants you involved in this or any other matter in any capacity. No one with any respect for female NationStates players takes anything you say at all seriously anymore. Everyone with any respect for female NationStates players just wants you to go away.

Is that clear enough for you, Unibot? You disgust us, and rightfully so. Go away.

Think it goes without saying that you aren't able to decide what it takes for someone to "Respect" females. I surely hope for myself to be viewed as someone who respect women that the prerequist isn't that I shun anyone who has at any point in time belittled females. Id much rather believe that it's my own actions and views that would create that respect.

Fuck we're all well aware of what Uni did. Again I'm certainly not impressed and I get a lot of others aren't. However goes without saying he should be welcome to express his views just as everyone else is. He's been punished and i'm sure a hell of a lot more will come; But you aren't our supreme dictator. You can't decide for the collective as to if he should have a voice. You don't like hearing crap from him; just ignore the man. You'll never even see his shit again.

I've spent many a day at rallies for female equality and other topics affecting society. I respect women. They should be equal to men. They face issues. Doesn't mean i'm going to scream like a child "shhh i don't want to hear you speak" to anyone who hasn't always made an effort to better the lives of women.

Sure - If this matter was relevant to his mistakes; go for it buddy. However I can't draw any line between TSP drama and Women. I'm not trying to defend his actions; far from it. I'm saying that he is as welcome to express an opinion as some random or a long time member.

Mwah x

[Wolf]

That sounds like a coup to me.

Sounds like a popular coup to me, with the ones who are complaining the most, and most primarily, being those who were Admins on the old forums.

What's the real issue here, Glen? The fact that the forums were moved or the fact that you lost a great political bargaining chip? If I remember correctly, and I do, the Admins of the old site were god awful at their duties and refused to give up their positions because it made them feel important.

[Consular]

I feel the need to say that I find Cormac's attitude a bit harsh. It's practically characterising everyone who doesn't immediately dog anything Unibot says as not respecting women. Nowhere has anyone praised him, we've simply refrained from personally attacking him, and that in no way at all lessens my personal views towards feminism nor the efforts I've personally made towards achieving societal equality. I feel like this is one of those polarised with me or against me type things going on, and such absolutism is both narrow minded and very rarely wise.

This is also basically thread jacking.

[The Silver Sentinel]

No one with any respect for female NationStates players values your opinion on this or any other matter, because you've been banned from The Rejected Realms off-site platforms by two game moderators for sexual harassment. No one with any respect for female NationStates players wants you involved in this or any other matter in any capacity. No one with any respect for female NationStates players takes anything you say at all seriously anymore. Everyone with any respect for female NationStates players just wants you to go away.

Is that clear enough for you, Unibot? You disgust us, and rightfully so. Go away.

Think it goes without saying that you aren't able to decide what it takes for someone to "Respect" females. I surely hope for myself to be viewed as someone who respect women that the prerequist isn't that I shun anyone who has at any point in time belittled females. Id much rather believe that it's my own actions and views that would create that respect.

Fuck we're all well aware of what Uni did. Again I'm certainly not impressed and I get a lot of others aren't. However goes without saying he should be welcome to express his views just as everyone else is. He's been punished and i'm sure a hell of a lot more will come; But you aren't our supreme dictator. You can't decide for the collective as to if he should have a voice. You don't like hearing crap from him; just ignore the man. You'll never even see his shit again.

I've spent many a day at rallies for female equality and other topics affecting society. I respect women. They should be equal to men. They face issues. Doesn't mean i'm going to scream like a child "shhh i don't want to hear you speak" to anyone who hasn't always made an effort to better the lives of women.

Sure - If this matter was relevant to his mistakes; go for it buddy. However I can't draw any line between TSP drama and Women. I'm not trying to defend his actions; far from it. I'm saying that he is as welcome to express an opinion as some random or a long time member.

Mwah x

Ye gods! I am forced to agree with Riftey here. Cormac I don't want to turn this into a thing on the forums with you as we seemed to be making some headway, but continually attacking Unibot on the forums is wrong. You are an advocate of less toxic gameplay, but your beef with Unibot (as legit as it is) is making you forget those values. I understand you are upset with him. A lot of us are, but just because we don't trample him under our boots, or spit on him, doesn't mean we care about women any less. You attacking everybody that even talks to him, is no different than when TRF members attack and call anyone who doesn't agree with them, fash sympathizers. For the sake of your sanity, just put him on ignore and forget about it. None of us wants you see you DoS'ed from the game over Unibot.

Also I had no intentions of getting you warned for making that report. I was hoping a mod would come in with a knock it off and put everything back on track.

[Todd McCloud]

It may have been a bit of an ad hominem, but every time this comes up there's a camp that simply chooses not to believe in this stuff or outright dismiss it. Sketchy out of game personas have not stopped folks from having credible careers in NS, though.

[The Church of Satan]

That sounds like a coup to me.

Sounds like a popular coup to me, with the ones who are complaining the most, and most primarily, being those who were Admins on the old forums.

What's the real issue here, Glen? The fact that the forums were moved or the fact that you lost a great political bargaining chip? If I remember correctly, and I do, the Admins of the old site were god awful at their duties and refused to give up their positions because it made them feel important.

Ironically one could say the same of Hileville now since he was once root admin or whatever of one of TSPs prior forums and they moved as well, much to his dismay. I can't say whether or not there's any truth in that statement, but Glen certainly has a legitimate issue with what happened. You don't have to be an expert on TSP law to know that what Hileville and the rest of the cabinet did was obviously illegal.

[Hileville]

Sounds like a popular coup to me, with the ones who are complaining the most, and most primarily, being those who were Admins on the old forums.

What's the real issue here, Glen? The fact that the forums were moved or the fact that you lost a great political bargaining chip? If I remember correctly, and I do, the Admins of the old site were god awful at their duties and refused to give up their positions because it made them feel important.

Ironically one could say the same of Hileville now since he was once root admin or whatever of one of TSPs prior forums and they moved as well, much to his dismay. I can't say whether or not there's any truth in that statement, but Glen certainly has a legitimate issue with what happened. You don't have to be an expert on TSP law to know that what Hileville and the rest of the cabinet did was obviously illegal.

It wasn't illegal. The move off of IPB was definitely a result of my own actions. I was the one who shut off posting and gave the database to Tsu so the content could be transferred.

[Kringalia]

I will ask the same thing I keep asking. Why was the Assembly not consulted, when our Charter says the following?

3. Barring circumstances outlined in Section 2* the Assembly reserves the sole right to authorize the creation of a new Regional Forum.
* The forum being permanently unavailable.

See Hileville, I don't have a problem with the region wanting a new forum and new admins. I would respect whatever vote took place, because I understand that democracy works that way. But that is precisely the point. Nobody asked the Assembly to debate the creation of a new forum, and therefore there was no vote on the creation of a new forum. What I am saying is that the Cabinet should have followed the procedure outlined by the Charter. If the region agreed with the move, then no problem at all. That is what really bothers me: the lack of input from the region at large. It's their forum, it should be their decision.

[Unibot III]

And while Hileville's new forum is being set up, he's launched a new discussion thread: "Appointed Cabinet Omnibus Bill". A number of citizens are pushing for the discussion to wait for players to be validated. One can't help but think this isn't extremely convenient timing; move forums illegally with the support of his cabinet, then push through an omnibus bill that curtails elections and ensures his cabinet can remain ministers with no need to survive re-election provided they keep on Hileville's good side ... all the while, players are still trying to get validated and others, some of the region's biggest legislative critics, are debating the legitimacy of his forum altogether.

TSP's Ministers have been elected for thirteen years. Hileville appears to want to get rid of that in expedient fashion.

[Tsunamy]

That sounds like a coup to me.

Sounds like a popular coup to me, with the ones who are complaining the most, and most primarily, being those who were Admins on the old forums.

What's the real issue here, Glen? The fact that the forums were moved or the fact that you lost a great political bargaining chip? If I remember correctly, and I do, the Admins of the old site were god awful at their duties and refused to give up their positions because it made them feel important.

This is both an unfair and incorrect characterization, Wolf.

[Tsunamy]

And while Hileville's new forum is being set up, he's launched a new discussion thread: "Appointed Cabinet Omnibus Bill". A number of citizens are pushing for the discussion to wait for players to be validated. One can't help but think this isn't extremely convenient timing; move forums illegally with the support of his cabinet, then push through an omnibus bill that curtails elections and ensures his cabinet can remain ministers with no need to survive re-election provided they keep on Hileville's good side ... all the while, players are still trying to get validated and others, some of the region's biggest legislative critics, are debating the legitimacy of his forum altogether.

This discussion was started previously, Uni. It's not a new development.

[Unibot III]

And while Hileville's new forum is being set up, he's launched a new discussion thread: "Appointed Cabinet Omnibus Bill". A number of citizens are pushing for the discussion to wait for players to be validated. One can't help but think this isn't extremely convenient timing; move forums illegally with the support of his cabinet, then push through an omnibus bill that curtails elections and ensures his cabinet can remain ministers with no need to survive re-election provided they keep on Hileville's good side ... all the while, players are still trying to get validated and others, some of the region's biggest legislative critics, are debating the legitimacy of his forum altogether.

This discussion was started previously, Uni. It's not a new development.

You know TSP better, Tsu. Writing seems to be on the wall though.

[Tsunamy]

This discussion was started previously, Uni. It's not a new development.

You know TSP better, Tsu. Writing seems to be on the wall though.

No. I'm saying this bill has been discussed and supported by various members prior to the forum move. I'm not a fan of it, but it had support from people like GR. These are independent issues.

[Unibot III]

You know TSP better, Tsu. Writing seems to be on the wall though.

No. I'm saying this bill has been discussed and supported by various members prior to the forum move. I'm not a fan of it, but it had support from people like GR. These are independent issues.

Okay Tsunamy.

[Hileville]

And while Hileville's new forum is being set up, he's launched a new discussion thread: "Appointed Cabinet Omnibus Bill". A number of citizens are pushing for the discussion to wait for players to be validated. One can't help but think this isn't extremely convenient timing; move forums illegally with the support of his cabinet, then push through an omnibus bill that curtails elections and ensures his cabinet can remain ministers with no need to survive re-election provided they keep on Hileville's good side ... all the while, players are still trying to get validated and others, some of the region's biggest legislative critics, are debating the legitimacy of his forum altogether.

TSP's Ministers have been elected for thirteen years. Hileville appears to want to get rid of that in expedient fashion.

Maybe you should do some research before jumping to conclusions.

As Tsu said that had been an ongoing discussion prior to the move and Motioned and Seconded to a vote. I copied it over as the Deputy Chair asked me to. Sam, Awe, and the entire Cabinet were in agreement that a vote shouldn't be opened till more people get registered.

Now I'll go back to my personal preference of not responding to your posts.

[Unibot III]

Research made difficult with the unilateral transfer of the regional forum's url. Funny how past forums have always linked to previous incarnations while your newest one goes out of its way to bury them.

[Glen-Rhodes]

The official forums are fully functional at this IP: http://104.131.34.7/index.php


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[Unibot III]

The official forums are fully functional at this IP: http://104.131.34.7/index.php


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Thanks!

[Glen-Rhodes]

Seems an awful lot of foreign TNP and Balder flags are flying in Hileville's endorsement list.


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[Disco Viking]

Seems an awful lot of foreign TNP and Balder flags are flying in Hileville's endorsement list.


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You're not exactly Mr. Current Affairs are you? Although most of Balder's troops are involved in other missions currently.

[Glen-Rhodes]

I'm not sure how it helps the situation to get TNP and Balder involved.

Regardless, neither region is authorized to have troops in TSP piling on the Delegate. Such authorization must come from the CSS, which it has not. Not even our treaties authorize this. Both treaties only allow foreign troops to enter our region and pile on the Delegate in the event of an invasion or a coup. There is no invasion, and Hileville can point to no internal coup he needs help fending off.

I'm politely requesting that TNP and Balder recall their troops from TSP, unless and until the CSS authorizes a piling operation, or the relevant treaty clauses are acted upon under a valid request against an invasion or coup.

[Hileville]

Nowhere in our laws does it say the CSS must approve any foreign troop movement.

[Unibot III]

Nowhere in "the laws" does it say the Delegate is the person who decides the region is under threat. That's the role of the CSS. It's an inconvenient thing, these "laws". You see, obviously if Milograd had requested military support TNP would have had no legal obligation to support Milograd. The CSS, not the delegate, is the body that decides the region's security level.

Furthermore, your assertion is untrue, a number of TSP treaties specify the CSS must recommend support. TNP's treaty was written by a different author and may be an exception to that rule but the Balder-TSP treaty also had specific conditions set on military support which TSP would not currently qualify for - unless TSP has recently announced its being couped or invaded.

And, since you're delegate and the only one receiving foreign support, naturally, if TSP is being couped/invaded, the only person in TSP that Balder would legally be required not to support would be... you. But this is, of course, purely academic.

[Hileville]

Nowhere in "the laws" does it say the Delegate is the person who decides the region is under threat. That's the role of the CSS. It's an inconvenient thing, these "laws". You see, obviously if Milograd had requested military support TNP would have had no legal obligation to support Milograd. The CSS, not the delegate, is the body that decides the region's security level.

Furthermore, your assertion is untrue, a number of TSP treaties specify the CSS must recommend support. TNP's treaty was written by a different author and may be an exception to that rule but the Balder-TSP treaty also had specific conditions set on military support which TSP would not currently qualify for - unless TSP has recently announced its being couped or invaded.

And, since you're delegate and the only one receiving foreign support, naturally, if TSP is being couped/invaded, the only person in TSP that Balder would legally be required not to support would be... you. But this is, of course, purely academic.

You are blatantly lying. None of TSP's treaties require the CSS to ask for foreign support. Being that you were a Citizen during most if not all of them being passed, you know this.