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Kiewa
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Postby Kiewa » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:45 pm

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Announcement: The South Pacific Worker's Cadre for Political Justice

We of The South Pacific Worker's Cadre for Political Justice announce that the day of reckoning has arrived! As we speak those that have distinguished themselves as true enemies of the people, supporters of the former criminal regime, and general anti-revolutionary subversives are now being liquidated throughout the region! This is truly a wonderful day for freedom and for all true South Pacific peoples!

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Kanab (Ancient)
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Postby Kanab (Ancient) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:39 pm

South Pacific State News Service is best news service.
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Todd McCloud
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Postby Todd McCloud » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:52 pm

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Todd showing off large eyebrows at his speech.


Mr. Milograd Tear Down this Wall!

Somewhere on the TSP/TEP Maritime border: NS blowhard fox guy thing Todd McCloud decided to speak out against the actions committed by a one Milograd in the warzone that has become The South Pacific. Sporting his angry eyebrows, the delegate voiced concerns over the illegitimate regime's choices in removing embassies, specifically with The East Pacific.

"When Mr. Milograd removed embassies of friendly regions, he effectively placed a curtain - a red, iron curtain - over the region of the South. This doesn't sit well with us in The East Pacific. I guess you could say it isn't kosher with us." The delegate paused as the laughter subsided. Everyone present of course knew of The South Pacific's longstanding traditions involving pickles. "But seriously, this curtain serves only to blind nations caught up in the chaos, thinly-laced under the hollow promises of influence reform, reform designed to free the dictator yet enslave the people he promised to serve!"

"Influence reform is ill-accomplished by such irresponsible actions," the delegate continued. "These actions have included the banishment of nearly one thousand prominent nations, the systematic murder of billions of individuals, the silencing of the government-in-exile from all World Factbook Presses, and in many cases is causing larger influence gaps within the region among other atrocities. The state-run media suggests otherwise, but in the world of the free press, these facts are well-known. It's just another pitfall these papers are, another barrier to freedom. If Mr. Milograd claims to free the people from so-called shackles, he has only done so to ensnare them in traps."

"We cannot, indeed will not stand for this. Such instability will likely only hasten the advancement of terrors committed in The South Pacific. Even the General Secretary must know this: his own regime is but a temporary one in its current state. Eventually peace and freedom will catch up, and order will be restored. To abate escalations, I suggest a different route. General Secretary Milograd, if you seek peace, if you seek freedom and prosperity for the people of The South Pacific, meet me at the border. Mr. Milograd, open up those embassies. Mr. Milograd, tear down this wall!"

The delegate wrapped up his speech about some typical political jargon. Somehow he managed to squeeze in "gerrymandering" in his speech, but it was towards the end when people were probably turning the channel or falling asleep. For those who didn't tune in for the entirety of the speech, he finished by welcoming refugees and providing them "safe, temporary placement" until the old government won. Because he was totally thinking he was a cowboy, and cowboys are cool.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:57 pm

Todd, I think you may have just won this entire coup.
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Druzhina
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Postby Druzhina » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:15 pm

ooc: awesome post Todd. Don't mind if I join you... ;)


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Message from the Soviet Republic of Druzhina
From the desk of the President

Comrades,

We have recently seen a tumultuous event occur in The South Pacific, one in which the very survival and aspirations of the proletariat are being given a voice and body, through the actions of it's new delegate, Milograd. This period of time is a time for the struggle of freedom, in which nations are liberating themselves from not only their bourgeois masters but also from foreign domination. The people of The South Pacific desire a worthwhile life and are fighting to secure it.

No one nation can dispute the fact that Milograd has been uncompromising in his efforts to ensure the continuation of this fight. But the sinister forces which profit from the maintenance of foreign and domestic unrest are clinging tenaciously to their folly. Though only a handful of groups are involved in actively trying to undermine the will of South Pacificans, they are quite powerful and exert a strong influence on the policy of their respective regions. A major effort of solidarity among all socialists, communists and anarchists is required to break their hegemony over the region.

While I speak for my own nation, in a show of solidarity with the workers of The South Pacific, I call upon not only my fellow Soviet Republics to join me, but also all nations to join me. We must all unite together in opposition to this shameful and disgusting breach of TSP's right to self-determination, democracy and socialism.

In Solidarity,

President Dmitry Voronov, SR Druzhina
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Postby Grand Divitae » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:30 pm

Druzhina wrote:-snip-

Awesome, with the exception that technically your leader does not exist in Gameplay.

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Postby Druzhina » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:33 pm

OOC: What do you mean "doesn't exist in gameplay"?
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Postby TSP Announcements » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:38 pm

An announcement from the true government of The South Pacific! View The South Pacific Announcement

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:29 am

Druzhina wrote:OOC: What do you mean "doesn't exist in gameplay"?

Gameplay is not Roleplay.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby the Imperial Crown » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:47 am

I'm normally one for long winded posts, but to be honest, I'm bored of this entire mess now.

Yes yes, credit for lovely graphics work. Can we actually find something more interesting to discuss? These topics (like the UDL discussions) have been done to death.
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Postby Feux » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:49 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:Todd, I think you may have just won this entire coup.

It's Todd, you should never expect less. :p
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Postby Cinistra » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:49 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Druzhina wrote:OOC: What do you mean "doesn't exist in gameplay"?

Gameplay is not Roleplay.

Hmm. The entire NS is constituted of player generated nations with their own name, flag, leader, currency, national animal and religion. Thus, every nation may be considered to be RP. However, many nations use their nations on the "international" scale indulging in authoring resolutions of the WA. This is considered GP. The line between RP and GP is only arbitrary.
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>Can I invade other people's regions?

Yes. The practice of "region crashing," where a group of nations all move to a region with the aim of seizing the WA Delegate position, is part of the game. Certain groups within NationStates are particularly adroit at this, and can attack very quickly.
>Once I've taken over a region, can I eject everyone else?

You can try. Invader Delegates tend to have very little Regional Influence, which makes ejecting long-time residents difficult. But Delegates can be as kind, generous, evil, or despotic as they wish. It's up to regional residents to elect good Delegates.

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Postby Sovreignry » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:53 am

Cinistra wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:Gameplay is not Roleplay.

Hmm. The entire NS is constituted of player generated nations with their own name, flag, leader, currency, national animal and religion. Thus, every nation may be considered to be RP. However, many nations use their nations on the "international" scale indulging in authoring resolutions of the WA. This is considered GP. The line between RP and GP is only arbitrary.


Depends on the person.

The only GP thing about the WA are the stat changes, otherwise, you're RPing an ambassador from your nation.
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It would be easier just to incorporate a "Grief Region" button, so you wouldn't even need to make the effort to do the actual raiding. Players could just bounce from region to region and destroy everyone else's efforts at will, without even bothering about WA status. Wouldn't that be nice. -Frisbeeteria

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Cerian Quilor
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:00 am

Cinistra wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:Gameplay is not Roleplay.

Hmm. The entire NS is constituted of player generated nations with their own name, flag, leader, currency, national animal and religion. Thus, every nation may be considered to be RP. However, many nations use their nations on the "international" scale indulging in authoring resolutions of the WA. This is considered GP. The line between RP and GP is only arbitrary.

The line between GP and RP is far from arbitrary. the WAGA, does exist in something of a nebulous zone between RP, GP and NSG/RL, but the WA as a whole has little to do with GP in of itself.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby The North Polish Union » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:29 am

TSP Announcements wrote:An announcement from the true government of The South Pacific! View The South Pacific Announcement

Downfall parodies :lol:
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Postby Crazy girl » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:44 am

I'll say it in this thread too. Gameplay is not roleplay. Cut out the ooc: bla bla bla bits, because this forum IS ooc. Now back on topic.

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Erusea
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Postby Erusea » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:46 am

People have really hijacked my news thread :/
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Kanab (Ancient)
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Postby Kanab (Ancient) » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:58 am

I agree with Comrade Erusea. Attention is to be focused back to the State News Service, please. Forward the Revolution!
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Postby Jugovenia » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:02 am

WORKER'S PRODUCTIVITY IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC REGION REACHES AVERAGE 1,000,000% OF PREVIOUS

Spurned by advances in the economic, technological and political fields of the socialist revolution, the patriotic worker's cadres of The South Pacific have raised productivity of goods to over one million percentage of previous total under the corrupt oligarco-capitalist regime of the past. Workers are reported to enjoy the highest standards of living in all of time, and celebrate nightly the success of glorious Chairman Milograd in the advancement of their cause.

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:44 am

And Milograd has a 178% approval Rating?
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby The Minnows (Ancient) » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:58 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:And Milograd has a 178% approval Rating?

My stars, don't be silly now.

Great Comrade Milograd could never have such a rating; one would need to have votes without people for such a situation to exist, which is just absurd.

Our leader enjoys a far more realistic 100% approval rating. One hundred and seventy eight percent.... apparently they don't teach mathematics in oligarchic schools these days.

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Kanab (Ancient)
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Postby Kanab (Ancient) » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:07 pm

Kanabian surveys can verify the 100% approval rating, excluding the opinions of convicted felons.
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Postby Lint Roller » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:30 pm

The mathematicians of Lint Roller have also verified the math.
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Postby Helpful Whispers » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:58 pm

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Feeder politics aside, what our friend Milly is doing with the ideals of communism is just plain stupid. Influence is not equatable to "means of production", in the Marxist sense, because it has absolutely no relation to how much say you have in a region. How much say you have doesn't come from influence, it comes from how much people are willing to listen to, in a way that NS doesn't quantify in a little stat next to your nation. Topid and the rest couldn't control that - and it is kind of ridiculous to say that an endo cap was a "tool of oppression". Regions put that in place to make sure their democratically elected WA Delegate doesn't get taken over accidentally, and to give a solid line that people know not to cross. To say, as Milly has, that influence is comparable to the Marxist concept of "means of production" (which isn't really Marxist, but the phrase now firmly associated with his ideals), just betrays how much he is trying to shape this takeover as something it is not. Anyone with a true knowledge of Communism or communism knows that this farcical and rather inane attempt to equate this takeover to a communistic revolution is ridiculous. Even if he does institute a democratic rule eventually, how will it be communistic? He's cleverly avoided ever using the word communism in the WFE, but uses practically all the language associated with it. The rule he has mentioned instituting once all this firestorm blows over is just democratic - the "means of production" won't be distributed equally. They'll just be distributed to the people who have more endorsements faster. In many ways, that's more like capitalism - work hard to get endorsements, and you'll get ahead in influence.

Influence is useless except that it helps you not get kicked and it helps you kick people if you are an oppressive dictator who wants to throw anyone out who supports another form of government. The WFE saying that influence somehow gives you an amount of "say" is totally ridiculous, as anyone who has been playing NS for even a moderate amount of time knows.

Furthermore, if this oligarchy had such a clamp on the region's leadership, how did our dear friend Milly get into the position of Delegate? Oh yeah, it was through a democratic election in which anyone who bothered to sign up on the forum could participate in. That's not an oligarchy - at worst, it is voters reelecting the same people too many times. It's akin to the current situation in the US, where Congress's approval rating is at about 10%, yet most congressmen get reelected to their offices - everyone wants change, but no one wants it to take place in their vote. No oligarchy existed. The region was entirely democratic, for those who registered to vote.

I support the Free South Pacific. Congrats to those who read this far. I'm not in the WA, so hopefully won't be ejected, but if Millygrad is following through on his promise this shouldn't be suppressed. I encourage everyone to endorse The United Kingdom of Brutland and Norden, a previously elected Delegate who was democratically elected - and not under false pretenses, the way Milograd was. Returning of the largest regions in the world to the control of a government that is actually stable and democratically elected, instead of throwing away the hard work, cultural traditions, and spirit that makes TSP great, is the best thing that could happen right now. Thank you.

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Postby Erusea » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:04 pm

Why are you hijacking my news thread? Go make your own!
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