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Hungry
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Postby Hungry » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:12 am

Stedicules wrote:
Hungry wrote:
Unibot actually trained people?

....

I feel cheated now.

Honestly, from what I've seen, he channels that art so he can have cannon fodder. He doesn't train you guys very well, I know that because I was one of them, and you're just treated as Cannon Fodder.

He trained hordes of us. First for the FRA and Dharma, and then again for his "United Defenders League". When we quit defending too, he ignores us and throws us away. His own little army he can refuse to acknowledge.


I don't get what point you're trying to push?

"Fuck GCR's" or is it "Fuck Gameplay"?
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Postby Stedicules » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:13 am

Hungry wrote:
Stedicules wrote:He trained hordes of us. First for the FRA and Dharma, and then again for his "United Defenders League". When we quit defending too, he ignores us and throws us away. His own little army he can refuse to acknowledge.


I don't get what point you're trying to push?

"Fuck GCR's" or is it "Fuck Gameplay"?

i'm honestly not trying to push anything. i'm just here the violence and to watch gameplay get red-faced. They deserve this for how they've treated RPers.
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Postby Hungry » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:13 am

Stedicules wrote:
Hungry wrote:
I don't get what point you're trying to push?

"Fuck GCR's" or is it "Fuck Gameplay"?

i'm honestly not trying to push anything. i'm just here the violence and to watch gameplay get red-faced. They deserve this for how they've treated RPers.


So, here just to troll us?

Well, at least you're admitting it.
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Postby Stedicules » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:16 am

Hungry wrote:
Stedicules wrote:i'm honestly not trying to push anything. i'm just here the violence and to watch gameplay get red-faced. They deserve this for how they've treated RPers.


So, here just to troll us?

Well, at least you're admitting it.

No... I'm not here to troll you. I don't troll-- it's against the rules. I thought i was playing gameplay.
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Postby Hungry » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:17 am

Stedicules wrote:
Hungry wrote:
So, here just to troll us?

Well, at least you're admitting it.

No... I'm not here to troll you. I don't troll-- it's against the rules. I thought i was playing gameplay.


Playing Gameplay is being an asshole with a purpose, you have no purpose, except to be an ass, correct?
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Postby New Rogernomics » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:18 am

If Milograd doesn't establish a new forum (and some people around him) this coup won't last long. Then there is a chance it was just a coup for the fun of it. :meh:
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Postby Stedicules » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:19 am

Hungry wrote:
Stedicules wrote:No... I'm not here to troll you. I don't troll-- it's against the rules. I thought i was playing gameplay.


Playing Gameplay is being an asshole with a purpose, you have no purpose, except to be an ass, correct?

My purpose is to elevate TSP into a greater region alongside Milograd and with a little help from International Incidents.
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Postby Tramiar » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:41 am

Hungry wrote:
Stedicules wrote:No... I'm not here to troll you. I don't troll-- it's against the rules. I thought i was playing gameplay.


Playing Gameplay is being an asshole with a purpose, you have no purpose, except to be an ass, correct?

Playing gameplay is having fun, at least for some of us. There's your purpose for a bunch of us. So if he's having fun without breaking the rules, there's no problem. And RPers getting involved in Gameplay is a good thing, in my opinion. The more people there are, the more fun it is.
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Tramiar: too late, they were already caused.
Spartzy: *stops great injustices*
Tramiar: *causes greater injustices, cannot be fixed until next update*
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Postby Ofly » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:52 am

New Rogernomics wrote:If Milograd doesn't establish a new forum (and some people around him) this coup won't last long. Then there is a chance it was just a coup for the fun of it. :meh:

The forum is the tool of the oligarchs, used to legitimize their oppression.
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Postby Krjder » Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:43 am

Is a liberation operation being orchestrated?

The South Pacific has been the subject of a full scale coup. Although it is not an Invasion, it is still an oppressive regime which must be brought down. The Revolution of Milograd is banning nations which have just arrived. I am asking to raise a task force to take back the South Pacific from Milograd. I need back-up from powerful and influential nations. Telegram me for details. Just fill out the below form

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Postby The Ghost Of Kim Jong-il » Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:55 am

Krjder wrote:Is a liberation operation being orchestrated?


Such an operation would be an invasion and a counter-revolution. The region has already been liberated by Comrade Milograd. All the children sing of the Glorious Revolution and Comrade Milograd has the support of the Proletariat. Your recidivist hooliganism is not welcome..
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Postby Krjder » Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:58 am

He has banned many innocent nations. The South Pacific was not under oppression beforehand. It is now. I know this because I did have puppet spies there.
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Postby The Ghost Of Kim Jong-il » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:06 am

Krjder wrote:He has banned many innocent nations. The South Pacific was not under oppression beforehand. It is now. I know this because I did have puppet spies there.


These "innocent nations" were probably all spies similar to yours and they have met a fate befitting cowardly spies. The People's justice has routed them out and sent them packing.

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Postby Krjder » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:07 am

You sound like you've been brainwashed. Stand for a just cause! He's a dictator!
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Postby The Ghost Of Kim Jong-il » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:14 am

Krjder wrote:You sound like you've been brainwashed. Stand for a just cause! He's a dictator!


My brain is awash with the manifold truths of the Revolution. Yours seems to be polluted by the lies of Oligharchy. Clear your mind so that your eyes may see what is right and true and good.

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Postby Krjder » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:17 am

Good grief! He's mad, mad as a March hare!
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:25 am

Stedicules wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:Gameplayers are far from mature, as a group, and I really am finding the RPers aggrivating as well. They know nothing of gameplay mechanics or how anything in TSP works, and are wasting everyone's time. I had actual things to do before Milograd uped and turned everything on its bleeding head.

@AS22: Well timed yes, Milograd, unfortunately, wasn't asleep at the wheel.

We actually know a fair amount about Gameplay mechanics. Some of us were defenders-- or some of us, like me for example, were trained by Unibot. He has championed the art of recruiting RP'ers into the Defending community.

Anyone who says that Milograd is doing anything about the 'problem' of Influence, or that influence is stolen or in general, echoing any of Milo's rhetoric either is willfully or truly ignorant. If you know Gameplay Mechanics, you know that is the case.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:28 am

Stedicules wrote:
Hungry wrote:
I don't get what point you're trying to push?

"Fuck GCR's" or is it "Fuck Gameplay"?

i'm honestly not trying to push anything. i'm just here the violence and to watch gameplay get red-faced. They deserve this for how they've treated RPers.

I haven't treated rpers anything. I just want the rpers to, if they get involved in Gameplay, actually, you know, get involved in Gameplay rather than BS us all a line about 'influence theft' and how Milograd is somehow ending the tyranny of Influence (which isn't a Tyranny anyway, depending on the region in question, and certainly not in TSP)
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby Tramiar » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:34 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Stedicules wrote:i'm honestly not trying to push anything. i'm just here the violence and to watch gameplay get red-faced. They deserve this for how they've treated RPers.

I haven't treated rpers anything. I just want the rpers to, if they get involved in Gameplay, actually, you know, get involved in Gameplay rather than BS us all a line about 'influence theft' and how Milograd is somehow ending the tyranny of Influence (which isn't a Tyranny anyway, depending on the region in question, and certainly not in TSP)

RPers are free to get involved in Gameplay any way they wish. They can talk about influence just as much as defenders like to claim raiding is horrible and mean/destroys regions. Just because you don't agree with how they get involved doesn't mean they shouldn't. Besides, are you even sure they're being serious? They could be playing a part. They're RPers, after all. :P
Mallorea and Riva wrote:I too would ban myself if I saw me moving into my region.

Tramiar: *causes great injustices to natives and fenda-kind*
Spartzy: *prevents great injustices*
Tramiar: too late, they were already caused.
Spartzy: *stops great injustices*
Tramiar: *causes greater injustices, cannot be fixed until next update*
Spartzy: *quits the game*

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Postby Endorse Milograd » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:35 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Stedicules wrote:We actually know a fair amount about Gameplay mechanics. Some of us were defenders-- or some of us, like me for example, were trained by Unibot. He has championed the art of recruiting RP'ers into the Defending community.

Anyone who says that Milograd is doing anything about the 'problem' of Influence, or that influence is stolen or in general, echoing any of Milo's rhetoric either is willfully or truly ignorant. If you know Gameplay Mechanics, you know that is the case.


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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:54 am

Tramiar wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:I haven't treated rpers anything. I just want the rpers to, if they get involved in Gameplay, actually, you know, get involved in Gameplay rather than BS us all a line about 'influence theft' and how Milograd is somehow ending the tyranny of Influence (which isn't a Tyranny anyway, depending on the region in question, and certainly not in TSP)

RPers are free to get involved in Gameplay any way they wish. They can talk about influence just as much as defenders like to claim raiding is horrible and mean/destroys regions. Just because you don't agree with how they get involved doesn't mean they shouldn't. Besides, are you even sure they're being serious? They could be playing a part. They're RPers, after all. :P

And their playing of a completely absurd and just plain stupid part is making my life difficult. Forgive me If I'm not going to look charitably at that, Tramiar.
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Postby Tramiar » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:54 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Tramiar wrote:RPers are free to get involved in Gameplay any way they wish. They can talk about influence just as much as defenders like to claim raiding is horrible and mean/destroys regions. Just because you don't agree with how they get involved doesn't mean they shouldn't. Besides, are you even sure they're being serious? They could be playing a part. They're RPers, after all. :P

And their playing of a completely absurd and just plain stupid part is making my life difficult. Forgive me If I'm not going to look charitably at that, Tramiar.

As raiders, we do the same to defenders. I'm not seeing a huge problem here.
Mallorea and Riva wrote:I too would ban myself if I saw me moving into my region.

Tramiar: *causes great injustices to natives and fenda-kind*
Spartzy: *prevents great injustices*
Tramiar: too late, they were already caused.
Spartzy: *stops great injustices*
Tramiar: *causes greater injustices, cannot be fixed until next update*
Spartzy: *quits the game*

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Postby The Ghost Of Kim Jong-il » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:00 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Stedicules wrote:i'm honestly not trying to push anything. i'm just here the violence and to watch gameplay get red-faced. They deserve this for how they've treated RPers.

I haven't treated rpers anything. I just want the rpers to, if they get involved in Gameplay, actually, you know, get involved in Gameplay rather than BS us all a line about 'influence theft' and how Milograd is somehow ending the tyranny of Influence (which isn't a Tyranny anyway, depending on the region in question, and certainly not in TSP)

I would think that anything which causes people to wake up and get involved is a Good Thing, as opposed to the stiffling and overbearing rule of the Oligarchs, which causes despondancy and inactivity, and is a Bad Thing. If you're having trouble understanding the relations of production as they apply to influence, then perhaps some time studying the teachings of Comrade Milograd would be beneficial to you?

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:05 pm

The Ghost Of Kim Jong-il wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:I haven't treated rpers anything. I just want the rpers to, if they get involved in Gameplay, actually, you know, get involved in Gameplay rather than BS us all a line about 'influence theft' and how Milograd is somehow ending the tyranny of Influence (which isn't a Tyranny anyway, depending on the region in question, and certainly not in TSP)

I would think that anything which causes people to wake up and get involved is a Good Thing, as opposed to the stiffling and overbearing rule of the Oligarchs, which causes despondancy and inactivity, and is a Bad Thing. If you're having trouble understanding the relations of production as they apply to influence, then perhaps some time studying the teachings of Comrade Milograd would be beneficial to you?

There are no Oligarchs, there are there are no relations of production, and influence has nothing to do with the actual governance of the TSP, and your psuedocommunist rhetoric is absolutely meaningless.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby The Ghost Of Kim Jong-il » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:37 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
The Ghost Of Kim Jong-il wrote:I would think that anything which causes people to wake up and get involved is a Good Thing, as opposed to the stiffling and overbearing rule of the Oligarchs, which causes despondancy and inactivity, and is a Bad Thing. If you're having trouble understanding the relations of production as they apply to influence, then perhaps some time studying the teachings of Comrade Milograd would be beneficial to you?

There are no Oligarchs, there are there are no relations of production, and influence has nothing to do with the actual governance of the TSP, and your psuedocommunist rhetoric is absolutely meaningless.


The Light within Comrade Milograd shines, like a diamond mine. To deny his teachings is to deny the very existence of Truth. Your mind is clouded by your past associations with the Oligarchs and imperialists. Your thoughts are twisted by your devotion to the corrupt system of influence. I suggest you reexamine your beliefs and question your motivations for opposing the Revolution.

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