Spiritus | VICTORY

[Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini]

Aw, poles are no fun.

Isn't Gameplay supposed to be all about getting the dirt on others, anyhow?

No.

Oh. That's how it appears to me. Most political threads you see have a lot of mudslinging, it seems.

[Feux]

No.

Oh. That's how it appears to me. Most political threads you see have a lot of mudslinging, it seems.

Yes, but in the end that is not what gameplay is or should be about.

[PrussianEmpire]

Last night, when my Vice President followed my direct internal orders and the wishes of my cabinet to deny him access to this region, Cormac instead took to our IRC channel to complain and berrate about his denial of entry. During this time, he made a direct threat against this region and it's founder, stating his intent to destroy both. This statement and his actions cannot be overlooked anymore and Cormac now poses a direct risk to the security of this region.

I'd like to read those logs.

I would like to see them as well. I have a hard time believing Cormac would make threats that severe.

[Cormac A Stark]

I would like to see them as well. I have a hard time believing Cormac would make threats that severe.

No need for logs. I did make the threat. Carry on.

[The North Polish Union]

Just out of curiosity, why do people often make longwinded statements about banning someone? I don't even see why an explanation is necessary, much less a 5-paragraph-long explanation to say something that could be said in one sentence: "Cormac is banned because he threatened us."

Aw, poles are no fun.

Isn't Gameplay supposed to be all about getting the dirt on others, anyhow?

No, we're really fun. It's just the 1/4 of me thats German coming out probably.

Please don't get mad at me.

[Karputsk]

Just out of curiosity, why do people often make longwinded statements about banning someone? I don't even see why an explanation is necessary, much less a 5-paragraph-long explanation to say something that could be said in one sentence: "Cormac is banned because he threatened us."

There's a lot more to it than that but that was the straw that broke the Camel's back so to speak.

[Cormac A Stark]

Now that I have time to actually address this...

Just over a month or so ago we lost our former President during an internal dispute. Following this, a former citizen of our region, Cormac, decided he was going to take it upon himself to destroy a Spiritus military facility and flee the region. At the time I was too busy focusing my efforts on keeping the region together in a time of crisis, and I ignored this act to concentrate on the larger issues at hand.

Just to clarify this, Platform Nine and Three Quarters is and has always been my property. I founded it as an instant jump point and when I realized that it updated fairly late, I kept it. Because Spiritus had no puppet storage region and was forced to use Kyzikos and be lumped in with the UDL and the FRA, I allowed Spiritus to use Platform Nine and Three Quarters. After the dispute a month or so ago, I did in fact eject and ban all Spiritus puppets from the region and remove any mention of Spiritus from the region -- though I will point out that update order had been shuffled by that point and Platform Nine and Three Quarters had been rendered useless anyway.

Given that the phrase "took it upon himself to destroy a Spiritus military facility" implies that I destroyed something that originally belonged to Spiritus but was entrusted to me, I wanted to clear this up. Platform Nine and Three Quarters belongs to me and has always belonged to me. Its use was granted to Spiritus by its Founder and its use was revoked by its Founder.

Last night, when my Vice President followed my direct internal orders and the wishes of my cabinet to deny him access to this region, Cormac instead took to our IRC channel to complain and berrate about his denial of entry. During this time, he made a direct threat against this region and it's founder, stating his intent to destroy both. This statement and his actions cannot be overlooked anymore and Cormac now poses a direct risk to the security of this region.

As I've already made clear, I did make these threats -- though I will unambiguously clarify that my threat to destroy "it's (sic) Founder" was an in-character threat against Tim, the player, and not a threat against the Founder account. I will also point out that these threats came after Tim had already called me a threat to the region's security, despite my long history in the region and the significant effort I put into building the region. If I'm going to be called a threat to regional security without justification and denied citizenship in a region that would still be Tim's glorified puppet dump if not for my initial efforts, I'm going to be a threat to regional security. Besides, Spiritus is poised to join the FRA and I don't think it's a secret that I'm committed to in-character damage to the FRA whenever and wherever possible. If you become an FRA member region expect to inherit the FRA's enemies.

Just to be abundantly clear, I will do everything in my power to destroy Spiritus if it joins the FRA. I was told when I joined the region and began working to build it that it would not be made a recruitment pool for the UDL or the FRA Rangers; obviously, that was a lie, and I would rather destroy the work I did than see it used to fuel the FRA.

Despite Cormac being one of the founding members of this region, and someone who has had a lot of input into the foundation of this region, time and time again he has proved his willingness to use this region and it's citizens for his own personal use rather than helping to support and maintain the region in the interests of it's citizens. Time and time again, he has acted in ways that divide members of this community rather than unite them. I can find no more reason why he should be welcomed back to provide him with another attempt to disrupt and damage this region.

With this in mind, I hearby make the following Presidential Order:

1) Cormac A Stark (Cormac) is hereby declared persona non grata from Spiritus.

This will remain in place until such time as Cormac regains the trust of this region's citizens, and it's Executive government.

- Wuufu Valerius Vitus
- President of Spiritus

A very wise choice, but it won't save your region -- which no longer even remotely resembles the region I was working to build, having been corrupted by Tim's opportunism, Wintermoot's thirst for power and paranoia regarding perceived political enemies, and the FRA's hunger for more regions to chew up and spit out to fill the ranks of the Rangers. Best of luck, you'll need it.

[Charaxia]

Let me just say, on behalf of the entire region, that I greatly look forward to your revenge. We're waiting.

[Ambroscus Koth]

Serious disappointment in this region. It had a lot of promise too, so many of us called it the future of defenderdom.

And now it's gonna up and join the old dogs and be nothing more than a cog in the failing machine. What a waste.

[Charax]

I'm inclined to agree. I have no desire for Spiritus to join the FRA, and have argued against it in every instance it has been raised. Of course, the fact that nobody in the region seems to notice the main advocates of the move are the FRA's RLO, MoD and Tim (who's an FRA Rep) probably helps in making me seem like a biased fringe lunatic.

[Wintermoot]

Wintermoot's thirst for power and paranoia regarding perceived political enemies

Love you too, snookums.

For the record, I have absolutely nothing to do with Spiritus joining the FRA, as I'm no longer even in the region. I declined opportunities for Spiritus to join in May and September when it was offered while I was President, and I'm not aware of much that has changed since then.

[The North Polish Union]

Serious disappointment in this region. It had a lot of promise too, so many of us called it the future of defenderdom.

And now it's gonna up and join the old dogs and be nothing more than a cog in the failing machine. What a waste.

Defenderdom.
Future.

[Ambroscus Koth]

Serious disappointment in this region. It had a lot of promise too, so many of us called it the future of defenderdom.

And now it's gonna up and join the old dogs and be nothing more than a cog in the failing machine. What a waste.

Defenderdom.
Future.

A man can dream of one day having a worthy adversary, no?

[WraithFIN]

Defenderdom.
Future.

A man can dream of one day having a worthy adversary, no?

Depence about what you dream about koth

[WraithFIN]

Defenderdom.
Future.

A man can dream of one day having a worthy adversary, no?

Depence about what you dream about Koth!

[Suchasmallthing]

I'm inclined to agree. I have no desire for Spiritus to join the FRA, and have argued against it in every instance it has been raised. Of course, the fact that nobody in the region seems to notice the main advocates of the move are the FRA's RLO, MoD and Tim (who's an FRA Rep) probably helps in making me seem like a biased fringe lunatic.

You have my full support, Charax.

[Cormac A Stark]

I'm inclined to agree. I have no desire for Spiritus to join the FRA, and have argued against it in every instance it has been raised. Of course, the fact that nobody in the region seems to notice the main advocates of the move are the FRA's RLO, MoD and Tim (who's an FRA Rep) probably helps in making me seem like a biased fringe lunatic.

Good luck in trying to get the region to see reason. What Wuufu did not note in his statement is that prior to being denied citizenship because I was a "security threat," I was making reasonable arguments against FRA membership in #spiritus and largely ignoring being flamed, baited, and trolled by Sovreignry. Things only got unreasonable after I was accused of being a security threat by Tim, who spent most of his presidency inactive with me as Acting President for most of his term, busy in Kyzikos rather than in Spiritus during the April Fools Day event, etc.

Tim has only ever used Spiritus as a platform to pursue his own ambitions and make himself look good, with others -- me at first, then you and Wintermoot, now Wuufu and who knows who else -- doing the bulk of the work. Ask some folks from Grand Central if this is consistent with Tim's pattern of behavior and they'll probably tell you yes, it's just that he's gotten a bit better at it. It's truly a shame that Spiritus has to be subjected to FRA membership and all that entails, including inheriting the FRA's enemies and wars automatically the minute Spiritus joins, just so Tim can one day tout delivering a large and active region as a recruitment pool to the Rangers on a silver platter so that he can become Archchancellor.

[Karputsk]

This is the 968th conspiracy uncovered by Cormac this year. The FRA had Cormac made PNG, they even let Fratt press the ban button. Also, we have and are oppressing Charax. We utilised a strategy of respectful debate in order to make him seem like a "fringe lunatic".

I repeat, it had nothing to do with Cormac's history of melodramatic, damaging, immature and inconsiderate behaviours towards Spiritus as a region and to many of its inhabitants. Hopefully this will all blow over and we can go back to assimilating Spiritus into the FRA.

[/sarcasm]

[Tim-Opolis]

Well, this is fun. Arch-Chancellor Tim Stark does have a nice ring to it, eh.

Anyways, to the matter at hand. Firstly, to address the elephant in the room, yes Spiritus is currently undergoing a Regional Assembly bill with the intention of joining the FRA. Considering that this has been whispered about for months now, I wouldn't think people would be surprised. If you are, then alright. Good for you. I won't go into the debate on FRA Membership for Spiritus on this forum because it's a Spiritus matter. I find that it's something for our Regional Assembly chambers, not the public square that is Gameplay. Therefore, as much as I would like to, I will not responding to Charax's post.

Cormac, I have very little to say to you. To put it as nicely as I can, I can definitely see traces of your NS Father in you. Believe or not, your prophesies about Spiritus coming to its ruin from being Defender...have not come true. I remember a certain argument stating that we'd be doomed if we didn't repeal the Military Amendment. Are we doomed? Nope. So, I welcome your efforts to try to destroy Spiritus. Somehow, I can't see it happening.

[the Imperial Crown]

I confess to being disappointed also in the news, but will wait and see.

[Cormac A Stark]

Well, this is fun. Arch-Chancellor Tim Stark does have a nice ring to it, eh.

Anyways, to the matter at hand. Firstly, to address the elephant in the room, yes Spiritus is currently undergoing a Regional Assembly bill with the intention of joining the FRA. Considering that this has been whispered about for months now, I wouldn't think people would be surprised. If you are, then alright. Good for you. I won't go into the debate on FRA Membership for Spiritus on this forum because it's a Spiritus matter. I find that it's something for our Regional Assembly chambers, not the public square that is Gameplay. Therefore, as much as I would like to, I will not responding to Charax's post.

Cormac, I have very little to say to you. To put it as nicely as I can, I can definitely see traces of your NS Father in you. Believe or not, your prophesies about Spiritus coming to its ruin from being Defender...have not come true. I remember a certain argument stating that we'd be doomed if we didn't repeal the Military Amendment. Are we doomed? Nope. So, I welcome your efforts to try to destroy Spiritus. Somehow, I can't see it happening.

I'm sure you do prefer Spiritus' Regional Assembly chamber to the Gameplay forum because you can control the debate there. Nonetheless, this is Spiritus' Gameplay embassy and discussion of Spiritus' consideration of FRA membership is fair game here. Feel free to evade reasonable arguments and ignore legitimate criticism all you want; it is what defenders are good at.

I think it's yet to be seen whether my prediction regarding Spiritus will come true. I argued that the longer Spiritus remained defender the less open you would be to people of other ideologies, which would lead the region to become insular and stagnant. You seem to be headed in that direction. I argued that if Spiritus remained defender it would become a recruitment pool for the UDL or join the FRA and become one of its many stagnant member regions while its talented defenders are absorbed into the Rangers; you're about to pursue the latter course. Taking a look at the FRA's other member regions, if anyone can even remember what any of them besides TRR are called, I think it's premature to say that I was wrong when I said Spiritus was doomed. You're about to join the FRA. If I were a betting man I would put good money on Spiritus being a ghost town by this time next year.

[The North Polish Union]

This is the 968th conspiracy uncovered by Cormac this year. The FRA had Cormac made PNG, they even let Fratt press the ban button. Also, we have and are oppressing Charax. We utilised a strategy of respectful debate in order to make him seem like a "fringe lunatic".

I repeat, it had nothing to do with Cormac's history of melodramatic, damaging, immature and inconsiderate behaviours towards Spiritus as a region and to many of its inhabitants. Hopefully this will all blow over and we can go back to assimilating Spiritus into the FRA.

[/sarcasm]

That was nice of you. Fratt doesn't even get to push ban buttons over in TRR, so I'm sure it was nice for him to be able to do it in this case.

[Charax]

I know Soviet Union, but only because it was raided the other week. AWP too, but only because the 0's annoy me.

Karp, I never said it was deliberate, but that's what's happening. Name me one person who isn't in the FRA that's made actual arguments in favour of this. Besides for Wuufu, who's supporting Tim's FRA thing but refusing to actually argue in support of it in debates. Refusing, or unable?

[Wuufu]

Besides for Wuufu, who's supporting Tim's FRA thing but refusing to actually argue in support of it in debates. Refusing, or unable?

Since you mentioned my name...

Both. I'm refusing to because I've already made all the points I want to make, and so I feel I'd just be repeating myself. You should know by now why I'm in support of this proposal. And I'm unable to because of RL and other commitments that I'd much rather put my energy into.

Further, I feel at this stage that there is nothing anyone can say to you Charax to make you change your mind anyway. So let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Ambroscus Koth]

Further, I feel at this stage that there is nothing anyone can say to you Charax to make you change your mind anyway. So let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Wow. That's baaaad. How does your region operate when your solution to debate is "agree to disagree" whenever someone else has a differing opinion?