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Milograd wrote:

The Pacific Liberator wrote:give Krulltopia a fair trial, banject him, write a constitution, keep control of the region for a few weeks until order can be restored, and have democratic elections, and ensure that nobody can ever take away the rights of nations in that region ever again.

Have fun waiting for the rest of your childhood.

trust me, I know dozens of nations who are fed up with him. I am officially requesting he abdicate his throne, before I prepare my strike force.

Milograd wrote:

The Pacific Liberator wrote:give Krulltopia a fair trial, banject him, write a constitution, keep control of the region for a few weeks until order can be restored, and have democratic elections, and ensure that nobody can ever take away the rights of nations in that region ever again.

Have fun waiting for the rest of your childhood.

Does anyone have any estimates of how long it would take to get enough influence to banject Krull? To be honest, I find the idea you could remain delegate however long it takes...not impossible but the next closest thing.

Well I've heard that it is impossible for me to ever reach Vassal unless I am Delegate for 800 days with 500 or so endorsements. I suspect it would be basically impossible for a new person to banject Krulltopia, assuming he remained at his current level. Even if he dropped WA, it would take a very, very long time. You are in for a lifetime wait Natan.

Leutria wrote:

Milograd wrote:Have fun waiting for the rest of your childhood.

Does anyone have any estimates of how long it would take to get enough influence to banject Krull? To be honest, I find the idea you could remain delegate however long it takes...not impossible but the next closest thing.

Yes. It would take years.

Milograd wrote:

Leutria wrote:Does anyone have any estimates of how long it would take to get enough influence to banject Krull? To be honest, I find the idea you could remain delegate however long it takes...not impossible but the next closest thing.

Yes. It would take years.

I am predicting I will have about enough by August/September of this year. early November at the latest.

The Pacific Liberator wrote:

Milograd wrote:Yes. It would take years.

I am predicting I will have about enough by August/September of this year. early November at the latest.

Good luck with that then.

The Pacific Liberator wrote:yes. and I intend to make sure that protectors of democracy keep troublemakers in check.

So...the liberation movement will have a permanent or semi-permanent force in the Pacific? I'm assuming that you'll leave once Krulltopia is banjected so no other "tyrant" can take over.

The Pacific Liberator wrote:

Milograd wrote:Yes. It would take years.

I am predicting I will have about enough by August/September of this year. early November at the latest.

In your dreams...

The Pacific Liberator wrote:

Milograd wrote:Yes. It would take years.

I am predicting I will have about enough by August/September of this year. early November at the latest.

Argh. No. You won't. You would have to bring hundreds and hundreds of WAs to back you. That isn't how influence works.

The Pacific Liberator wrote:but, unlike them, I have a foolproof plan.

The Pacific Liberator wrote:

Milograd wrote:Yes. It would take years.

I am predicting I will have about enough by August/September of this year. early November at the latest.

You sound like Galiantus did back before he got wise.

Topid wrote:

The Pacific Liberator wrote:I am predicting I will have about enough by August/September of this year. early November at the latest.

Argh. No. You won't. You would have to bring hundreds and hundreds of WAs to back you. That isn't how influence works.

The Pacific Liberator wrote:but, unlike them, I have a foolproof plan.

Dead.

But seriously Natan, how many people do you have with your cause? I'm not asking for names, just a rough estimate of your total legions.

Bundabunda wrote:

Topid wrote:Argh. No. You won't. You would have to bring hundreds and hundreds of WAs to back you. That isn't how influence works.

Dead.

But seriously Natan, how many people do you have with your cause? I'm not asking for names, just a rough estimate of your total legions.

none of your business.

McMasterdonia wrote:

The Pacific Liberator wrote:I am predicting I will have about enough by August/September of this year. early November at the latest.

Good luck with that then.

laugh all you want, but who will be laughing when the TPLM is controlling the pacific?

Bundabunda wrote:

The Pacific Liberator wrote:yes. and I intend to make sure that protectors of democracy keep troublemakers in check.

So...the liberation movement will have a permanent or semi-permanent force in the Pacific? I'm assuming that you'll leave once Krulltopia is banjected so no other "tyrant" can take over.

when we take control, we will establish a temporary government until order can be restored and we can install a democratic government. then, the democratically elected leaders will take over, and we will keep tabs on the region to ensure that nobody else can do what krull is doing,

You are being laughed at by competent people because you're a n00b. Go read Nai's introduction to Gameplay and try to gain an understanding of how influence works.

none of your business.

Seems legit. I did think that this was a recruitment center/embassy.
A number between one and three people is my guess for right now.

laugh all you want, but who will be laughing when the TPLM is controlling the pacific?

Yes. I have no interests in the Pacific other than occasional recruiting time to time.
Control? You mean like how Dear Leader Krull controls the Pacific?

when we take control, we will establish a temporary government until order can be restored

You gave an estimate of early November at the latest. That seemed pretty precise. Why no number for restoring order? Unless Pacific natives are savage brutes who need a leash?

and we can install a democratic government. then, the democratically elected leaders will take over, and we will keep tabs on the region to ensure that nobody else can do what krull is doing,

The whole "control from outside" thing doesn't work. How in the hell are you going to maintain an army of 203+ just to make sure ever vigilantly?

Bundabunda wrote:

none of your business.

Seems legit. I did think that this was a recruitment center/embassy.
A number between one and three people is my guess for right now.

laugh all you want, but who will be laughing when the TPLM is controlling the pacific?

Yes. I have no interests in the Pacific other than occasional recruiting time to time.
Control? You mean like how Dear Leader Krull controls the Pacific?

when we take control, we will establish a temporary government until order can be restored

You gave an estimate of early November at the latest. That seemed pretty precise. Why no number for restoring order? Unless Pacific natives are savage brutes who need a leash?

and we can install a democratic government. then, the democratically elected leaders will take over, and we will keep tabs on the region to ensure that nobody else can do what krull is doing,

The whole "control from outside" thing doesn't work. How in the hell are you going to maintain an army of 203+ just to make sure ever vigilantly?

no, I mean control as in when the TPLM is installing the democratic government. and, no, I do not mean restore order in that way. of course they are not brutes. I mean restore order as in calm down the commotion that there may be.

I'm convinced.

If you're looking for military personnel, I'd be happy to join.

Bundabunda wrote:I'm convinced.

If you're looking for military personnel, I'd be happy to join.

ok, then, welcome to the TPLM!

The Pacific Liberator wrote:

Bundabunda wrote:I'm convinced.

If you're looking for military personnel, I'd be happy to join.

ok, then, welcome to the TPLM!

What's our next move?

Bundabunda wrote:

The Pacific Liberator wrote:ok, then, welcome to the TPLM!

What's our next move?

well, first off, you can move a nation (it can be a puppet) to The Pacific Liberation Movement. then I will tell you what you can do. (I would much rather discuss internal activities in public)

Will do coach.

* Looks around at all the laughing individuals.

Natan, you know this endeavor has been taken up by countless people like you in the past, right? Over a span of ten years, a government tends to see a little of everything, but stuff like this tends to come up now and again by over confident, enthusiastic individuals such as yourself that don't have a full understanding of how gameplay and influence really work. It has come up so "now and again" and it is almost considered commonplace and amusing as you can see by others (including myself) posts. They typically tend to show great confidence and drive for the first few weeks or so, maybe receiving a telegram or two from other individuals that wish to convey support, until they realize how impossible it is to climb this cliff. You could probably dig up countless threads just like yours in almost every way. I simply don't know what else to tell you, but thanks to active individuals such as Karpathos, Krulltopia, etc. and game machines, the NPO has and will remain in place for a very long time.

Feux wrote:* Looks around at all the laughing individuals.

Natan, you know this endeavor has been taken up by countless people like you in the past, right? Over a span of ten years, a government tends to see a little of everything, but stuff like this tends to come up now and again by over confident, enthusiastic individuals such as yourself that don't have a full understanding of how gameplay and influence really work. It has come up so "now and again" and it is almost considered commonplace and amusing as you can see by others (including myself) posts. They typically tend to show great confidence and drive for the first few weeks or so, maybe receiving a telegram or two from other individuals that wish to convey support, until they realize how impossible it is to climb this cliff. You could probably dig up countless threads just like yours in almost every way. I simply don't know what else to tell you, but thanks to active individuals such as Karpathos, Krulltopia, etc. and game machines, the NPO has and will remain in place for a very long time.

the difference is, I do not intend to give up.

Aaaaah nobody takes your social movement seriously, and my friend Kim Jong Dumpling even thinks you're a spy. I wonder the same quite frankly.

Who exactly are you trying to liberate anyway? If the average Pacifican cared who ruled over them, or cared about "democracy", meaning if they cared about having the right to sit comfortably on their asses on a cushion of assurance that they have the right to cast a vote for a nation they have no relation with sometime later on, the NPO would have been thrown away seven years ago at least.

It looks to me like you just have a personal score to settle with Krulltopia for who-knows-what reason. There's just no purpose in getting rid of the NPO. Maybe certain individuals in it since it looks stagnant, but there's really no other way to run the place. There's nothing you could conceivably replace it with at this point anyway.

As leader of a region myself, I wish you luck in your pointless endeavor. Feel free to stop by when you have the time, you stupid idealist.

The Pacific Liberator wrote:the difference is, I do not intend to give up.

Yes, Natan, and do you remember the last time you did not intend to give up on something that was impossible? Until you gave up, that was. You're no different than everyone else. And it doesn't matter, you could go endorsement trade in that region all-day. The script will get you. There is no way to hide from a script that points out when your guy gets more than the endorsement cap (less than 10% of the delegate). They've dug themselves in over 10 years, they aren't going anywhere, just like the founder of that region you really wanted. I understand you have goals, but they aren't possible.

Daynor wrote:You're no different than everyone else.

Not exactly. Most other people learn from their mistakes.

Those who stubbornly dig in their heels tilting at windmills (mercifully a small percentage of players) usually end up on the moderator's task list.