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Cephal Talleyrand
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Postby Cephal Talleyrand » Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:45 pm

Hail to yet another great victory for the armed forces of the LKE and her allies!

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Postby Vaculatestar64 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:48 pm

IT was an enjoyable and well executed operation to be part of. Congrats to all that were in it.

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Postby King Alexander » Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:52 pm

A very well planned and executed operation gents.
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Postby North East Somerset » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:28 am

A Dominant showing from Imperialist, Independent and Raider forces across Nationstates.
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Postby Elke and Elba » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:56 am

Another cowardice action by UIAF lacking any form of justification.

As with most extraneous actions, we scoff at the inanity of the 'operation'. :P
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Postby Karputsk » Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:34 am

The justification for this is just as weak, if not weaker, than the reasoning offered for the invasion of Belgium. Trust the UIAF to make a spiel about this. Congrats to the raid and commiserations to the Natives of Canada who most definitely don't deserve this.
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Postby Consular » Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:44 am

Elke and Elba wrote:Another cowardice action by UIAF lacking any form of justification.

As with most extraneous actions, we scoff at the inanity of the 'operation'. :P


So you think Canada is irrelevant? Good to know. I wonder if defenders actually care about any regions. If you really thought it was irrelevant, then why post?

Keep on using big fancy words to try and belittle us though, I'm sure that'll make up for the fact that we are unopposed on the field. Ultimately your desperate words are utterly meaningless, and you can talk all you like while regions burn.

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Postby Elke and Elba » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:00 am

Consular wrote:
Elke and Elba wrote:Another cowardice action by UIAF lacking any form of justification.

As with most extraneous actions, we scoff at the inanity of the 'operation'. :P


So you think Canada is irrelevant? Good to know. I wonder if defenders actually care about any regions. If you really thought it was irrelevant, then why post?

Keep on using big fancy words to try and belittle us though, I'm sure that'll make up for the fact that we are unopposed on the field. Ultimately your desperate words are utterly meaningless, and you can talk all you like while regions burn.


Ah, be unopposed all you care. I don't care. ;)

Just don't have carpal tunnel syndrome that Yggdrasil is defender. Quite the misunderstanding there, but given your deep seated hate for GRO's control of Valhalla, I see why there's a need to resort to calling us names and mislabelling us. A simple person would know exactly from our region's page we are, obviously, neutral.

Oh, one more thing - don't call me a defender. I'm not. I detest myself being labelled either defender/invader when I'm staunchly neutral.

But I guess you don't understand what 'neutral' means anyway, since you went stomping into Canada, so I better don't bother talking to people who can't actually get their facts right.
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Postby Solorni » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:06 am

A grand victory!
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Postby McMasterdonia » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:18 am

So does the UIAF entirely reject the notion of neutrality that many regions embrace? This has been a stance taken by multiple game created regions over the past couple of years. Canada and Yggdrasil being notable neutral ucrs.

A strong victory to be sure. Congratulations on that front. I am glad to hear that the UIAF doesn't intend to grief Canada. The victory alone was probably enough. The statement raises several questions.

The fact that the response of a private citizen to an embassy application is used as one of the reasons is just... odd.

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Postby The Sapientia » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:31 am

Do they need a legitimate reason for raiding Canada?
They're raiders, is that not reason enough?
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Postby Kogvuron » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:31 am

The Sapientia wrote:Do they need a legitimate reason for raiding Canada?
They're raiders, is that not reason enough?

The UIAF is imperialist so they do need a reason. At least according to them
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Postby Vrolondia » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:08 am

I have to admit, I have to respect the fact there was 76 endorsements three minutes after update, that's rather impressive. And since you don't intend to grief the region, that makes the R/D game more enjoyable for everyone involved.

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Postby Onderkelkia » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:31 am

McMasterdonia wrote:So does the UIAF entirely reject the notion of neutrality that many regions embrace? This has been a stance taken by multiple game created regions over the past couple of years. Canada and Yggdrasil being notable neutral ucrs.

We distinguish independence from professed neutrality. Here we do not at all accept that Canada's conduct in associating with regions sympathetic to defenders and which have engaged in activities contrary to the interests of the United Imperial Armed Forces qualifies as neutrality towards us.

Our position on Yggdrasil's occupation of Valhalla, the region over which TNI declared war on the FRA over in December 2006, has not changed.

McMasterdonia wrote:The fact that the response of a private citizen to an embassy application is used as one of the reasons is just... odd.

The individual in question was not a private citizen but grouped as a government minister, as expressly stated in the statement.

Governments who tolerate their ministers calling regions whose militaries constitute the UIAF backwards must expect us to find it disrespectful. From Free Thought to The True Rebirth, the record of the regions which constitute the UIAF in dealing with incidents of disrespect is clear.

Here, the key importance of this incident is in illustrating that, compared to the long-standing associations that Canada has with Wysteria and Texas, for instance, it has treated the imperialist sphere with a comparative lack of respect, hence exposing that its neutrality is in practice no such thing.

Nor was it an isolated incident. In January 2010, Canada denied a TNI embassy application.

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The Sapientia wrote:Do they need a legitimate reason for raiding Canada?
They're raiders, is that not reason enough?

The UIAF is imperialist so they do need a reason. At least according to them

We raid a great many regions without a specific political justification arising from wrongdoing on the part of their region; we've never claimed otherwise.

If a raid promotes our interests in general, whether that is in assisting in maintaining or displaying our military power (which serves as a valuable diplomatic and deterrent tool), or in sustaining allied cooperation, then these things in themselves justify military action, and a host of military activity falls into this category.

Other forms of military action have both general justifications of that kind and specific reasons for selecting a target such as the factors listed here.
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Postby Aelbarrow » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:42 am

The United Imperial Armed Forces wrote:
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The United Imperial Armed Forces Press Release
Invasion of Canada
3 August, 2014

The United Imperial Armed Forces of The LKE, TNI and Albion are pleased to announce that we have invaded Canada in a joint operation with The West Pacific and The Black Hawks. We are particularly pleased to have worked with close partners in our close strategic ally The West Pacific and long-standing raider friends The Black Hawks in leading this mission; Additionally, we are most grateful to the Imperial Sovereign Realms Army of Osiris and Balder, Europeia, The Black Riders, Sicarius and Ceseris for their update support in carrying out this invasion.

We have no intention of seeking to refound Canada; our initial invasion alone constitutes a striking and genuinely significant achievement for the UIAF and our partners. Even before our (substantial) population boost, Canada was the third largest founderless user-created region in NationStates. On the update, it was taken with 53 endorsements to 45 (it would have been 47 but for two implanted switchers removing their endorsements). Over 20 units from our combined forces endorsed the point nation in Canada in time for the update. The conquest of this region shows beyond doubt what can be achieved by imperialist regions and raider regions working in cooperation in support of mutual objectives.

The United Imperial Armed Forces affords no credence whatsoever to Canada’s claims of neutrality (not that our proactive independence has ever respected the position of neutrality). Indeed, despite claiming to be neutral, in practice Canada has long closely associated with a number of historic and isolationist defender regions, including Texas, Wysteria and Yggdrasil. For instance, it has been due to attend the Summer Games in Wysteria alongside Texas, Yggdrasil, 10000 Islands, Spiritus, and Renegade Islands Alliance. Some of these regions, in particular 10000 Islands and Spiritus, have worked closely with the FRA and the UDL to undermine UIAF operations. Historically, we are also aware of Canada military units having participated in TITO exercises (as they have even recorded in the official history of their region for May 2004). By contrast, Canada has looked with disdain at the imperialist sphere: for instance, when responding to an LKE embassy application in March 2014, a government minister in Canada described the LKE as ‘rather backward’ for failing to publicly publish its constitution. This unwarranted attempt to berate the LKE for how it provides information to non-citizens in response to a friendly gesture is symptomatic of Canada’s approach. Such a slur from a public official against the LKE is unacceptable and underlined that, rather than being genuinely open to regions outside of an idealistic or defender culture, Canada has disrespected them.

11 units from the United Imperial Armed Forces were involved in the update operation, including Field Marshal OnderKelkia, Field Marshal Christopher Bishop, Lieutenant-General Magenta Fairy, Major-General Josh Sebastian, Major-General Torrin von Vonno, Major-General Cassius Cerebella, Lieutenant-Colonel Valfor Talleyrand-Vulika, Lieutenant-Colonel Robin Shepard, Lieutenant-Colonel Bert, Staff Sergeant Seth Redfield and Private Kazaman.

As for the takeover, straddling defender units from the Ten Thousand Island Treaty Organisation attempted to intervene but their intervention was insufficient and they were ejected. The Founderless Regions Alliance and the United Defenders League were as ever missing in action, once again confirming their total inability to remotely challenge the forces of the UIAF in the LKE and TNI’s war against them.

This major operation follows on from a successful and active period for the UIAF. Beyond earlier announcements regarding our success in Nazi Europe and reinforcements to TBR in Ixnay, it should be noted that we have assisted with transitioning the Delegacy of our close ally Balder to Rachel, its new ruler; we have also supported significant reinforcement for the operation of our close allies Europeia and The North Pacific in the region of Communist Beach.

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Field Marshal Christopher Bishop

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A magnificent achievement. Hurray for the LKE and the UIAF.
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Postby Vrolondia » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:04 am

Onderkelkia wrote:
McMasterdonia wrote:So does the UIAF entirely reject the notion of neutrality that many regions embrace? This has been a stance taken by multiple game created regions over the past couple of years. Canada and Yggdrasil being notable neutral ucrs.

We distinguish independence from professed neutrality. Here we do not at all accept that Canada's conduct in associating with regions sympathetic to defenders and which have engaged in activities contrary to the interests of the United Imperial Armed Forces qualifies as neutrality towards us.

Our position on Yggdrasil's occupation of Valhalla, the region over which TNI declared war on the FRA over in December 2006, has not changed.


That association is literally just an RP Olympics... Ya'll are really strange folk.

I always thought TNI's 8 year obsession over Valhalla was just an old wives tale GRO told to new YDS members to scare them D:

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McMasterdonia wrote:The fact that the response of a private citizen to an embassy application is used as one of the reasons is just... odd.

The individual in question was not a private citizen but grouped as a government minister, as expressly stated in the statement.

Governments who tolerate their ministers calling regions whose militaries constitute the UIAF backwards must expect us to find it disrespectful. From Free Thought to The True Rebirth, the record of the regions which constitute the UIAF in dealing with incidents of disrespect is clear.

Here, the key importance of this incident is in illustrating that, compared to the long-standing associations that Canada has with Wysteria and Texas, for instance, it has treated the imperialist sphere with a comparative lack of respect, hence exposing that its neutrality is in practice no such thing.

Nor was it an isolated incident. In January 2010, Canada denied a TNI embassy application.


Pro-tip; You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friends nose... That doesn't mean you should coup their government and destroy their things when they don't want to get booger on their fingers :(
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Postby Onderkelkia » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:07 am

Vrolondia wrote:That association is literally just an RP Olympics... Ya'll are really strange folk.(

The latest cultural event between Canada and the regions in question is just the latest example in links that long pre-date it.
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Postby Vrolondia » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:10 am

Onderkelkia wrote:
Vrolondia wrote:That association is literally just an RP Olympics... Ya'll are really strange folk.(

The latest cultural event between Canada and the regions in question is just the latest example in links that long pre-date it.


Ever wonder why people ignore the imperialist sphere? They're like those fat kids who complain when you wont share your play station controller, then get cheetos all over it when you finally do... I have good reason not to share, dammit, I don't want my controller all sticky and oily that's gross, get out of here. Maybe if you washed your hands I would want to play with you more
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Postby Onderkelkia » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:17 am

Vrolondia wrote:
Onderkelkia wrote:The latest cultural event between Canada and the regions in question is just the latest example in links that long pre-date it.


Ever wonder why people ignore the imperialist sphere?

On the contrary, I cannot say I have noticed this phenomenon at all.

The regions in the imperialist sphere have among the most extensive and powerful networks of alliance in the game.
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Postby Vrolondia » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:21 am

That was directed more towards the rejected alliance and their preference for Defenders you used as justification... Texas washes its hands and is a generally courteous friend who takes fair turns and sometimes gives me money when I need it. TNI is more like that weird kid who sits in the back of class and stares at me making weird breathing noises, mumbling something and how pretty my hair is and how we should be friends.
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Postby Whiskum » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:25 am

Vrolondia wrote:That was directed more towards the rejected alliance and their preference for Defenders you used as justification... Texas washes its hands and is a generally courteous friend who takes fair turns and sometimes gives me money when I need it. TNI is more like that weird kid who sits in the back of class and stares at me making weird breathing noises, mumbling something and how pretty my hair is and how we should be friends.

Well, if that is how you wish to interpret a lone embassy application from TNI to Canada four years ago, that is your prerogative.
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Postby Vrolondia » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:31 am

Whiskum wrote:
Vrolondia wrote:That was directed more towards the rejected alliance and their preference for Defenders you used as justification... Texas washes its hands and is a generally courteous friend who takes fair turns and sometimes gives me money when I need it. TNI is more like that weird kid who sits in the back of class and stares at me making weird breathing noises, mumbling something and how pretty my hair is and how we should be friends.

Well, if that is how you wish to interpret a lone embassy application from TNI to Canada four years ago, that is your prerogative.

See, if Canada had rejected good-friend Texas, Texas wouldn't have used that 4 years later to punch them... Stop breathing on me, dammit, you're freaking me out!
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Postby Blank Verse » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:42 am

This really shows the renewed strength of the imperialist faction. Well done!

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Postby Ugnar » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:44 am

This was a great operation! It went very smoothly, especially considering how many different people and regions present. Nice work gents!

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Postby Applebania » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:14 pm

Onder, just stop. You're not just making a bollocks excuse now, you're making a really petty one, as well.
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