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What is your opinion on invado-recruitment?

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The New Frontier in Recruitment

Postby Christian Democrats » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:53 pm

INVADO-RECRUITMENT

What is invado-recruiting?

Step 1: Invade a region with a large population.

Step 2: Use the ability of the WA Delegate to send out mass telegrams to recruit everyone who is in that region for free and with the click of only one button.

Step 3: Leave the region without harming it in any way.

What do you think? :p
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Postby Auralia » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:01 pm

It's certainly an interesting idea. I imagine it will be used more as a tool to destroy regions rather than recruit nations, though.
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Postby Jinckus » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:12 pm

How so?
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Postby Feux » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:36 pm

Jinckus wrote:How so?

I'd image typically after you invade someone's home region, inviting them to join you would be some length to jump, however, you can find plenty of cases where people don't have a real passion for the community they are in, specially in larger regions where most are considered a number and the region is run by a few, and sign right up.

I include raiders recruiting in a invaded region using the telegram tool as a form of destruction, so I rather think they are one in the same.
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Postby Sichuan Pepper » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:16 am

I did bring this up with Violet here: viewtopic.php?p=12799950#p12799950

As it is not a problem yet it will be looked at when it is a problem.
Sooo pretty much as soon as the change takes place and invaders take a region.
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Postby Libetarian Republics » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:23 am

meh it could happen

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Postby Ballotonia » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:55 am

Sichuan Pepper wrote:I did bring this up with Violet here: viewtopic.php?p=12799950#p12799950

As it is not a problem yet it will be looked at when it is a problem.
Sooo pretty much as soon as the change takes place and invaders take a region.


One mass-TM sent out in one region won't make it a spam problem.

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:11 am

The yeild is likely to be minimal, but even one nation is perhaps worth it. *shrug*
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Postby Unibot III » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:12 am

I'm sure natives would love to join the people oppressing them. I could see however, raider delegates using it as a mouthpiece to get endorsements from natives in large occupations like Capitalist Paradise.

Also my questions is: would regions be allowed to advertise for other regions through the "Regional" channel??
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Postby Tramiar » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:55 am

Unibot III wrote:I'm sure natives would love to join the people oppressing them.?

Hey, that's why NS has had to put up with me raiding for the past 7 years, so obviously it works. :P
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:27 am

Unibot III wrote:I'm sure natives would love to join the people oppressing them. I could see however, raider delegates using it as a mouthpiece to get endorsements from natives in large occupations like Capitalist Paradise.

Also my questions is: would regions be allowed to advertise for other regions through the "Regional" channel??


I'd argue that recruitment is recruitment, and thus recruiting through the regional channel would be a misuse of the regional channel. Regardless what they are recruiting for (other regions, IRC, UDL, etc.).
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:04 am

Unibot III wrote:I'm sure natives would love to join the people oppressing them. I could see however, raider delegates using it as a mouthpiece to get endorsements from natives in large occupations like Capitalist Paradise.

Also my questions is: would regions be allowed to advertise for other regions through the "Regional" channel??

Raiders have gotten recruits via raids: Players that didn't realize this totally awesome way of playing the game existed before now suddenly do. Plus, people like being around power and capturing is power.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:26 am

I'm doing this every time. Great idea CD. And Unibot you'd be surprised how many recruits we get from regions we've hit.
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Postby Feux » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:27 am

Unibot III wrote:Also my questions is: would regions be allowed to advertise for other regions through the "Regional" channel??


I couldn't see why not, as officially the telegram is suppose to be coming from administrators of the region, whether raider or not.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:27 am

Mallorea and Riva wrote:I'm doing this every time. Great idea CD. And Unibot you'd be surprised how many recruits we get from regions we've hit.

Of course he would be surprised. Because obviously raiding is such a self-evident total evil! #channelingmyinnerUnibot
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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:52 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:I'm doing this every time. Great idea CD.

Thanks. :blush:

Just remember that I am responsible for coining the word invado-recruit. :p
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:54 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:I'm doing this every time. Great idea CD.

Thanks. :blush:

Just remember that I am responsible for coining the word invado-recruit. :p

Someday when Catholic goes founderless again I'll keep that in mind :p
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Postby Sichuan Pepper » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:57 pm

I imagine it being put to use much like the WFE, closing embassies, posting on the RMB while suppressing natives.......to annoy and anger the natives via a legal announcement TG to inform them of the new overlord and to vacate the region, endorse the invader delegate or be banned.
How many they can send seems unlimited.
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Postby General Halcones » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:59 am

Isn't this a form of Mass TG that would come with a cost? If so, I doubt raiders would wish to waste actual money on it. If it were free, it would definitely happen.

However, if they were recruitment TGs, that would require the recruitment tag, so such telegrams would probably be blocked anyway. I don't see how having WA delegacy would give any advantage whatsoever.

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:25 am

General Halcones wrote:Isn't this a form of Mass TG that would come with a cost? If so, I doubt raiders would wish to waste actual money on it. If it were free, it would definitely happen.

However, if they were recruitment TGs, that would require the recruitment tag, so such telegrams would probably be blocked anyway. I don't see how having WA delegacy would give any advantage whatsoever.

Delegtes and Founders will have the capacity to mass TG their own regions.
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:04 am

Recruiting telegrams have to be tagged as recruiting telegrams - that's a fundamental of the new TG system. You could probably get away with a "this region is being closed down; please depart immediately" type message, but don't consider this a ruling.

A founder/delegate-sent TG about merging into another region is an interesting grey area that we'll probably have to rule on.

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Postby Galiantus II » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:16 am

Sedgistan wrote:Recruiting telegrams have to be tagged as recruiting telegrams - that's a fundamental of the new TG system. You could probably get away with a "this region is being closed down; please depart immediately" type message, but don't consider this a ruling.

A founder/delegate-sent TG about merging into another region is an interesting grey area that we'll probably have to rule on.


I see no problem with founders being able to do this. If two regions want to merge, and the founders are both fine with it, there is no reason to prohibit them from doing so.

Delegates, on the other hand, run into a few problems. Since this is gameplay, I am more concerned about the problem of how legal it is for any delegate to use this feature as a recruiting tool, but I also need to run the issue of executive/non-executive delegates by the technical forum. In my own oppinion, though, "invado-recruiting" should be legal until we have seen it happen a few times.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:23 am

Galiantus II wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:Recruiting telegrams have to be tagged as recruiting telegrams - that's a fundamental of the new TG system. You could probably get away with a "this region is being closed down; please depart immediately" type message, but don't consider this a ruling.

A founder/delegate-sent TG about merging into another region is an interesting grey area that we'll probably have to rule on.


I see no problem with founders being able to do this. If two regions want to merge, and the founders are both fine with it, there is no reason to prohibit them from doing so.

Delegates, on the other hand, run into a few problems. Since this is gameplay, I am more concerned about the problem of how legal it is for any delegate to use this feature as a recruiting tool, but I also need to run the issue of executive/non-executive delegates by the technical forum. In my own oppinion, though, "invado-recruiting" should be legal until we have seen it happen a few times.


And I will disagree with that, for several reasons:

1. Invaders are already getting a lot of new nice 'weapons' to use on natives: They can use threats (of the Gameplay kind; not harassment obviously), subterfuge, propaganda, etc. simply through the regional channel. Giving them the 'join us' is really not necessary :)
2. It's a UI issue: If recruitment through region is legal then the telegram settings are thoroughly confusing. Recruitment is recruitment, but recruitment through the region is suddenly region. Huh? Best to keep it clear, all recruitment TGs should follow the recruitment setting. Doing it otherwise is just making one big mess of the telegram settings.
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Postby Camo5768 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:33 am

I feel like only a few, extremeist radier groups would actually use this as a weapon. the rest of us i'm sure would be more than happy to use it to recruit and gain more members. Because we'll tag, leave a nice WFE and RMB and be detagged, and the natives will never know that we were ever there. TG's, unless blocked, will be in their TG box, sitting pretty, waiting to be opened.
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Postby General Halcones » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:41 am

Delegtes and Founders will have the capacity to mass TG their own regions.


For free, or at a cost?

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