The Rejected Times

[Cormacville]

Then SB drops a bombshell... speculation beings again over who is going to be the next MoA. I stand by my guess of Cormac v. Geomania.

I'm not running for Minister of the Army, to state this clearly for the second time now, though I hope TSP will find someone who isn't defender to run for that position. If they don't, I would obviously support Geomania over Glen-Rhodes. Hell, I'd support you over Glen-Rhodes. No offense to Glen-Rhodes but he has no military gameplay experience whatsoever.

Point of clarification: Where did SB say he isn't running for re-election? Because I'm not seeing it.

[Unibot III]

http://forums.thesouthpacific.org/forum ... h-pacific/

I will not be seeking re-election as the Minister of the Army. Nor will I be running for delegate or any other cabinet positions. The only elected position I have an interest in is Vice Delegate- so anyone who has an exciting platform for delegate, send it to me, and I will be more than willing to back the person with the most creative and engaging platform.

[Southern Bellz]

I'm not running for re-election.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

Then SB drops a bombshell... speculation beings again over who is going to be the next MoA. I stand by my guess of Cormac v. Geomania.

I am actually running for MoFA and MoA, since there's no legal restriction against it. I feel that centralizing that authority is best, because MoA constantly steps on MoFA's toes and I mean we might as well save on office space.

As absurd as this idea is, it would appear to somehow actually be legal. Good thing you mentioned it now; I'll have time to move an amendment to the CoL to vote and have it pass before elections, preventing the blatant subversion of democracy you intended to attempt.

[Kringalia]

While the idea of someone holding two Cabinet positions doesn't excite me in the least, and I wouldn't support such a course of action, I wouldn't call it a "blatant subversion of democracy". It's not like he would stop being accountable to the electorate or anything of that sort.

[Cormacville]

While the idea of someone holding two Cabinet positions doesn't excite me in the least, and I wouldn't support such a course of action, I wouldn't call it a "blatant subversion of democracy". It's not like he would stop being accountable to the electorate or anything of that sort.

The Cabinet collectively makes executive decisions. Electing anyone to two Cabinet offices would either give them two votes on the Cabinet or would deprive the Cabinet of a vote, neither of which is a desirable outcome -- and the former would in fact be "blatant subversion of democracy."

This wouldn't be the case in regions in which the Delegate makes executive decisions and the cabinet is primarily an advisory and/or ministerial body, but that isn't the system in TSP. Being elected to two Cabinet offices would be a significant problem.

@ Unibot - Thank you. I hadn't been to the Assembly forum yet today.

[Unibot III]

@ Unibot - Thank you. I hadn't been to the Assembly forum yet today.

No worries, Cormac.

Um as for G-R throwing his hat for MoA - I understand his complaints, the MoA's actions can easily interfere in FA, but running as MoA doesn't solve that systematic problem. We can't just always have the MoA and MoFA be shared positions. Moreover, I'm not sure if G-R is qualified to MoA -- at the very least, not sure if he's more qualified than the potential other candidates. He also hasn't served in the NSA, I believe?

As to Cormac's throw-out, while I do think I could run the NSA, I haven't been a member of NSA, so I would feel uncomfortable suddenly stepping in to run the NSA from the outside. It would put people in NSA who have served for quite a while in the NSA in a weird position.

I wonder if some sort of system could be devised where the MoFA had a veto power or something on the army's activities -- in the sense that if the MoA deploys NSA against X,Y and Z and this has negative effects on a diplomatic relationship with A,B or C.. the MoFA can veto the mission and send out what diplomatic communiques he needs to send out.

That's a rough system which probably gives the MoFA too much power -- but I do think Glen is right that the MoA can easily step on his toes by invading somewhere or defending something that upsets an ally or someone we're in negotiations with.

[The Rejected Times]

Thread closed

[South Pacific Belschaft]

What remains to be seen is (i) why was Belschaft removed from the admin staff – we do not know yet what the other admins were discussing

It should be noted that no one on the admin team knows this either, for the relatively simple reason that Hileville has refused to provide any genuine explanation. The discussion largely consisted of the admin trying to get Hileville to do such.

[The Dourian Embassy]

This sounds like a purely internal matter. Admin decisions aren't generally subject to review. So this article seems sorta meaningless to me.

Good to know who the admins in TSP are, I guess?

As for Bel:

What remains to be seen is (i) why was Belschaft removed from the admin staff – we do not know yet what the other admins were discussing

It should be noted that no one on the admin team knows this either, for the relatively simple reason that Hileville has refused to provide any genuine explanation. The discussion largely consisted of the admin trying to get Hileville to do such.

“HEM's last administrative action was completed on the 24th of January with a grand total of 20 actions taken dating back to July,” says Hileville, while also noting, “Southern Bellz has in the past expressed no real desire to complete the basic tasks of an admin”.

Edit: For stuffs mentioned in the next post.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

This article, and Unibot, are pro-admin purge Douria

[Drop Your Pants]

Who holds the root account on the TSP boards?

[South Pacific Belschaft]

Hileville. Hence this... issue.

[Zaolat]

Hileville. Hence this... issue.

DYP is a tl;dr type of guy.

[Unibot III]

This article, and Unibot, are pro-admin purge Douria

The article mentions both HEM's allegations that Hileville has de-admin'd him because of his objections to your removal and Hileville's allegations that HEM has been neglecting his duties as admin. Both seemed like important points to bring up.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

This article, and Unibot, are pro-admin purge Douria

The article mentions both HEM's allegations that Hileville has de-admin'd him because of his objections to your removal and Hileville's allegations that HEM has been neglecting his duties as admin. Both seemed like important points to bring up.

It did not, however, mention the fact that indisputable evidence has been presented that shows that 1; Hileville issued a gag order, forbidding the admin team from discussing his actions 2; Prohibited a vote of the admin team in regards to these actions 3; That the admin team refused to comply with these orders 4; That the next day every single member of the admin team who did so was removed.

It's not allegations when you have evidence.

[Drop Your Pants]

Hileville. Hence this... issue.

I don't read anything over 1 paragraph Not sure why you want admin though, its just an extra workload unless you treat it as a position of meaningless power.

[Unibot III]

The article mentions both HEM's allegations that Hileville has de-admin'd him because of his objections to your removal and Hileville's allegations that HEM has been neglecting his duties as admin. Both seemed like important points to bring up.

It did not, however, mention the fact that indisputable evidence has been presented that shows that 1; Hileville issued a gag order, forbidding the admin team from discussing his actions 2; Prohibited a vote of the admin team in regards to these actions 3; That the admin team refused to comply with these orders 4; That the next day every single member of the admin team who did so was removed.

It's not allegations when you have evidence.

This article was written before you released those PMs -- I don't think we would linked the article to the PMs however, since the authors didn't consent to their release. The article may have discussed the content of the PMs however.

There still also remains the counter-claim that the timing is coincidental (and comes after exactly one month of forewarning of a shakeup happening). Hileville's counter-argument that HEM had been neglecting his duties was worth mentioning, in my view.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

It did not, however, mention the fact that indisputable evidence has been presented that shows that 1; Hileville issued a gag order, forbidding the admin team from discussing his actions 2; Prohibited a vote of the admin team in regards to these actions 3; That the admin team refused to comply with these orders 4; That the next day every single member of the admin team who did so was removed.

It's not allegations when you have evidence.

This article was written before you released those PMs -- I don't think we would linked the article to the PMs however, since the authors didn't consent to their release. The article may have discussed the content of the PMs however.

The PM's were linked to in the PNN article at the time you went to press.

[Unibot III]

This article was written before you released those PMs -- I don't think we would linked the article to the PMs however, since the authors didn't consent to their release. The article may have discussed the content of the PMs however.

The PM's were linked to in the PNN article at the time you went to press.

Well that's your problem for sending the pics to PNN and not The Times -- we wrote our article at the same time as PNN did. However, I'm not sure whether we would have published those PMs anyways, since the authors didn't consent to their publishing.

Not much use in us asking for soundbites to be on the record if we just circulate PMs willy-nilly from them without with their consent.

EDIT: Do note this is a "breaking news" story, there will be a follow-up article in our new issue with more facts as they present themselves. You're encouraged to send information to us if and when you receive it to help us capture the most accurate picture of what is going on with this crisis.

[Southern Bellz]

I just want to mention to Unibot that the admins who were removed are the only reason he is not banned from TSP forums.

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[Evil Wolf]

*Evil Wolf grabs popcorn*

[Unibot III]

I just want to mention to Unibot that the admins who were removed are the only reason he is not banned from TSP forums.

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I know that, SB. I didn't want to write the article in a way that would reflect by personal bias on the matter. Some of Hile's appointments were also supportive of my ban.

[Venico]

Being Root Admin absolutely can be frustrating if you don't have an active enough staff. If those numbers are correct there's no reason for HEM to be an admin. If he posted a thread in the technical forum and no one responded...for a month, then yeah. None of that team deserves admin. Of course he couldn't put this to a vote, he would have never gotten new admins.

"Ok so here's the motion guys, you all lose administrative powers and I get a new team who will actually do stuff. All in favor say aye?"

People are inherently greedy and protective of their position once they get admin, never understood that. I wish Hileville the best of luck in maintaining the forums for such an active region as TSP, and I also hope that people won't drag internal issues of TSP into GP in the future. As much fun as it is. =P

[Hileville]

Being Root Admin absolutely can be frustrating if you don't have an active enough staff. If those numbers are correct there's no reason for HEM to be an admin. If he posted a thread in the technical forum and no one responded...for a month, then yeah. None of that team deserves admin. Of course he couldn't put this to a vote, he would have never gotten new admins.

"Ok so here's the motion guys, you all lose administrative powers and I get a new team who will actually do stuff. All in favor say aye?"

People are inherently greedy and protective of their position once they get admin, never understood that. I wish Hileville the best of luck in maintaining the forums for such an active region as TSP, and I also hope that people won't drag internal issues of TSP into GP in the future. As much fun as it is. =P

This. EXACTLY THIS.