The Rejected Times

[Lord Dominator]

Those who willingly stay in Lazarus while not working for the resistance do so at the expense of prescribing to an amoral doctrine built around the terrible character of those who perpetrated the coup - or perhaps are unable to read and no longer have someone who can read out-loud for them, explaining why their nation is now stuck in a sinker like Lazarus following their nation being refounded.

Nice of the article to insult the 5k nations that could probably be called natives and don't care

[Delescluze]

The only ones upset with the recent revival of Lazarus are defender imperialists who seem to not able to live with the prospect of a strong and vibrant Lazarus. Aleister’s support amongst Lazarus’ true natives has only been rising as of late, as indicated by his still rising endorsement count. No number of defender puppets posting nonsense on the RMB can change that fact. Apparently, however, The Rejected Times believes that it can speak for the 6,000 nations that have a stake in our region.

[Roavin]

I'm all for spouting the propaganda, it's what makes GP go 'round, but don't spout stuff that's so trivially disproven. Aleister's endocount when becoming Delegate was 181. It's 190 now, and without even looking exhaustively, I can immediately see 5 Balder pilers, 6 TWP pilers, 2 LWU pilers, and 2 Unknown pilers coming in afterwards, and again, I'm not even trying hard.

So, just based on very quick observation, at least -6 more natives are now supporting Aleister!

[Lord Dominator]

I'm all for spouting the propaganda, it's what makes GP go 'round, but don't spout stuff that's so trivially disproven. Aleister's endocount when becoming Delegate was 181. It's 190 now, and without even looking exhaustively, I can immediately see 5 Balder pilers, 6 TWP pilers, 2 LWU pilers, and 2 Unknown pilers coming in afterwards, and again, I'm not even trying hard.

So, just based on very quick observation, at least -6 more natives are now supporting Aleister!

You're missing my nation, which could count as very unofficial TBH
Otherwise, there is that whole 'various regions collectively sent yet more unendorsment campaign stuff'

[Canton Empire]

It's a shame that TWP and Balder still twist the Right of the Sitting Delegate until it is unrecognizable.

[Killer Kitty]

So, just based on very quick observation, at least -6 more natives are now supporting Aleister!

So basically the defenders' unendorsement effort was a total failure and a complete waste of stamps?

*slowclaps*

[Lord Dominator]

So, just based on very quick observation, at least -6 more natives are now supporting Aleister!

So basically the defenders' unendorsement effort was a total failure and a complete waste of stamps?

*slowclaps*

I think Roavin was saying negative 6 natives, not about 6

[Drop Your Pants]

So basically the defenders' unendorsement effort was a total failure and a complete waste of stamps?

We were better at unendorsement campaigns before the ban button. I miss those days.

[Escade]

Agree with Glacikaldr on most points, except I think the particular side supporting the wolves from the outset not only knew this was the end game but actively helped to prop it up. They did not and do not care in any way about any of the so-called principles or ideology, other than the R\D one. Is there truly anyone who couldn't telegraph this from the beginning?



What was pitiful was the attempt to engage in some sort of narrative that they are heroes of natives right to choose or in-game delegacy or whatever the false narrative was. Still it's amusing when raiders and raider aligned regions feel the need to present themselves as liberators and defenders and proponents of anything but what they truly are. Calling yourself Santa Claus, doesn't in fact make you Santa Claus, Grinches. Oops..I meant "wolves." What a shame for scavengers to take on the mantle of wolves.

[Delescluze]

What was pitiful was the attempt to engage in some sort of narrative that they are heroes of natives right to choose or in-game delegacy or whatever the false narrative was.

We are. Not only did I, the first supposed "tyrant" of Lazarus have one of the highest endorsement counts in Lazarus' history, but Aleister, being thrust into the top position only a few days ago, enjoys a clear majority of support from the nations of Lazarus. If it were any different, someone else would be Delegate. The only "false narrative" that's going on here is the accusation that the native is being suppressed, which is the opposite of what is happening. The natives picked myself and now Aleister to be the delegate of Lazarus. The only ones seeking to undermine that decision by the people is the defender imperialists spinning a story for your own gain.

[Escade]

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I don't know who you are and don't actually care. Nice work repeating the same old rhetoric, congratulations you and a parrot share some skills.

[Delescluze]

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I don't know who you are and don't actually care. Nice work repeating the same old rhetoric, congratulations you and a parrot share some skills.

If you were just going to post nonsense, why did you even bother posting? All you're doing now is just exposing the fact that your argument is so shallow and baseless that when it's challenged the only thing you can do is call me names. It's really more pathetic than anything else, honestly.

[Drop Your Pants]

If you were just going to post nonsense, why did you even bother posting? All you're doing now is just exposing the fact that your argument is so shallow and baseless that when it's challenged the only thing you can do is call me names. It's really more pathetic than anything else, honestly.

That's most GCR coup propaganda campaigns in a nutshell

[Escade]

I don't know who you are and don't actually care. Nice work repeating the same old rhetoric, congratulations you and a parrot share some skills.

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I have no interest in arguing with or giving validation to players who assume this argument didn't start last summer and isn't already pointlessly entrenched. What I stated was exactly my perspective on this from then until now. Your thoughts about it or desire to argue are irrelevant to me. Not only that but you repeated the same three words used by your fellow scavengers. Ugh, lame.



There's my bored face. Someone who's voice I actually care about, let me know when Lazarus isn't simply a warzone between factions or when its any less putrescent then its been since the scavengers purged, couped, and let it die.

Meanwhile, for those who don't reek of the same old same old, head over to the TRR Discord and get into werewolf

[Roavin]

Aah, the reductionist "endorsements are democracy, elections twice a day" rhetoric. A classic textbook example of NationStates sophistry!

[Old Hope]

Aah, the reductionist "endorsements are democracy, elections twice a day" rhetoric. A classic textbook example of NationStates sophistry!

...and that this method of selection isn't democracy when people disagreeing with the current ruler are removed from the region is self-explanatory.

[Lord Dominator]

Aah, the reductionist "endorsements are democracy, elections twice a day" rhetoric. A classic textbook example of NationStates sophistry!

Truly one of the most annoying arguments around

[Glacikaldr]

Nice to know that the article is seen as too harsh for raiders and not harsh enough for defenders That's a good balance that I'm happy with!

-snippity snop-

So... Let me get this right. You're arguing that people chose to remove Funk with Aleister in Laz, including all the inactive nations just sitting in there, even though Aleister's regional address openly claims that Funk chose to step down and give power to Aleister? So you believe hereditary monarchy is the same as a democratic vote? That's a ridiculous line of thought and is in fact proving my article right. You could at least pretend to be loyal to Aleister publicly and follow the same narrative he made up if we all want to sit here and pretend Lazarus is now, 'strong and stable', ignoring how Aleister believes it was necessary to call in raider allies to pile for him.

May I also note that LWU now owns a GCR and TBH does not?
Sounds like the Hawks need to lift their game and also go scavenging - actually Lazarus looks pretty fit for the taking right about now; look at all those allies you have sitting around in Lazarus!

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

even when they have less condemnations than The Black Hawks

Meaningless statement. Everyone has less condemnations than The Black Hawks. Also, if that's the metric of authority to create terminology, then that means only we get to make new words for all of NS, I guess?

Please submit a request to create any new terms to me by telegram for approval prior to using them from here on out, then.

[Lord Dominator]

May I also note that LWU now owns a GCR and TBH does not?
Sounds like the Hawks need to lift their game and also go scavenging - actually Lazarus looks pretty fit for the taking right about now; look at all those allies you have sitting around in Lazarus!

You don't think there might not already be hawks already in Lazarus, just not officially as hawks?
Also, nice of a defender to encourage couping of a GCR, ain't it?

[Ikania]

Fewer.

[Galiantus III]

What was pitiful was the attempt to engage in some sort of narrative that they are heroes of natives right to choose or in-game delegacy or whatever the false narrative was.

We are. Not only did I, the first supposed "tyrant" of Lazarus have one of the highest endorsement counts in Lazarus' history, but Aleister, being thrust into the top position only a few days ago, enjoys a clear majority of support from the nations of Lazarus. If it were any different, someone else would be Delegate. The only "false narrative" that's going on here is the accusation that the native is being suppressed, which is the opposite of what is happening. The natives picked myself and now Aleister to be the delegate of Lazarus. The only ones seeking to undermine that decision by the people is the defender imperialists spinning a story for your own gain.

This coming from the delegate who really did transform Lazarus from a Democracy to a Dictatorship. If you're going to make an appeal to popularity here, rest assured the only people you are fooling are the people who know nothing of your history. I have an idea - how about if you let the native community decide who their delegate will be; send away your obvious raider pilers, and call in forces from a neutral party to screen out the defenders you fear so much. Then let people endorse who they want. Oh, you don't want that? Thought so. That's because you are the imperialist here, you are the one who has branded actual natives as traitors, and you are the one who has imported foreign support in order to maintain an iron grip on the region. If you want respect, own up to your actions. You won. Take credit where it's due - why do you still insist on lying?

[Drop Your Pants]

You won. Take credit where it's due - why do you still insist on lying?

You've obviously never experienced a LWU GP event before. They'll rub it in as much as possible and bring it up at every single occasion in the future

Why did i have to be the nice guy and try to defend LWU when EW died, things could have been so much more fun.

[Indo-Malaysia]

What was pitiful was the attempt to engage in some sort of narrative that they are heroes of natives right to choose or in-game delegacy or whatever the false narrative was.

We are. Not only did I, the first supposed "tyrant" of Lazarus have one of the highest endorsement counts in Lazarus' history, but Aleister, being thrust into the top position only a few days ago, enjoys a clear majority of support from the nations of Lazarus. If it were any different, someone else would be Delegate. The only "false narrative" that's going on here is the accusation that the native is being suppressed, which is the opposite of what is happening. The natives picked myself and now Aleister to be the delegate of Lazarus. The only ones seeking to undermine that decision by the people is the defender imperialists spinning a story for your own gain.

Is this excluding the banjected and ejected natives?

[Roavin]

Of course, that's the whole point. It's convenient propaganda.