The South Polish Union wrote:Onderkelkia wrote:You are going to ridiculous lengths to make adverse insinuations about the LKE. It is wrong to suggest there is any threat to your personal safety anymore than there is with other mainstream NS off-site forums (though it can be argued that there is always risk with disclosing IP addresses on any forum).
No "prominent nenbers [sic]" of the LKE have been caught working with Anur-Sanur/Frak. One individual alone, Bob Moran, appears to have done so, and I'm pretty sure no one associated him with the LKE (as opposed to TBR) prior to the announcement on the 27th April, so he can hardly be described as a prominent LKE member.
So the LKE does not view members of their government (i.e. the Minister of the Interior) as "prominent members"? Fascinating. I'm sure its nice that that kind of mindset conveniently allows you to pass off the actions of anyone but yourself as not representative of the LKE. Must be really convenient during PR crises like this one.
Prominence does not refer to whether someone holds government office; it refers to whether someone is well-known. Bob Moran was not by any means well-known in his capacity as a member of the LKE (his principal association being with TBR and his involvement with the LKE being fairly low key) - therefore he was not a prominent member of the LKE. If you meant to refer to the fact he was in government, you should have said that instead.
That fact that an individual is a member of a government does not mean that they represent that government in all their private dealings. There is a difference between a minister acting in an official and authorised capacity and a minister undertaking personal business without informing their superiors.
In terms of Bob Moran's relative position as Interior Minister within the LKE hierarchy, I have already given a full explanation of that
here. In that explanation, you'll see that I listed four other individuals as members of the LKE's official leadership (i.e. going beyond me as an individual).
The South Polish Union wrote:Onderkelkia wrote:He lurked as an LKE citizen for a period (as he did in Osiris and TNI) before, after our forums were converted in January, becoming more active and shortly after being offered the Chief of the Imperial General Staff position (which was divested of real command duties due to the UAIF's existence at that point) so we could get the value of his military expertise in training and other matters. He had no administrative or moderator IP access.
No matter that he was a member of the government and was working with a DoS and the regional administration "didn't know about it." This sort of lack of oversight certainly raises the suspicion that other LKE government members could be working with Frak while the government chooses not to know about it.
You say that the fact we did not know Bob Moran had contact with Anur-Sanur/Frak constitutes "lack of oversight".
Are you proposing that we should have monitored Bob Moran's communications to see with whom he was talking?
How precisely would we have lawfully done that? Alternatively, what other form of oversight would have alerted us to his contacts with Anur-Sanur/Frak?
Furthermore, we do not know at all whether he was working with Anur-Sanur/Frak while he was a member of the LKE Government (remember he was only appointed Interior Minister on 8th March). It is possible that the interactions between Bob Moran and Anur-Sanur/Frak were before that date.
In any case, as for your speculation that other members of the LKE Government have contact with Anur-Sanur/Frak, I think that most unlikely. Bob Moran, as he was a Marshal of TBR, moved in very different circles to typical LKE members - whose other NS contacts are nearly all within the Imperialist sphere.
The South Polish Union wrote:I still think I'll pass on the LKE's forums, thank you very much.
Rest assured that you received no invitation from me.
I simply objected to your equation of Bob Moran to multiple prominent members, when he was a single individual and not well-known as an LKE member.
The South Polish Union wrote:Onderkelkia wrote:Anur-Sanur/Frak is an enemy of the LKE. We have reasons to believe he has been behind a couple of vindictive anonymous campaigns launched against us. If we had been aware of the connections which appear to have existed between him and Bob Moran, Bob Moran would not have been appointed.
There's no reasoning with that response. You can take that attitude if you like, however anyone who thinks that Anur-Sanur/Frak and the LKE are on friendly terms, or that we would have condoned cooperating with him, really hasn't the first clue what they are talking about when it comes to this issue.