The Rejected Times

[The Mighty Warrior Horse]

Uni: Fantome and Funkadelia have both a pretty cold opinion on more Anti-Fascism, whereas Horse seems gung-ho on it.
Milo: Unibot: It makes sense to me. I wouldn't call it a focus though. Seemed like one part of his platform, but certainly not the whole thing.
Uni: Seemed like the steak on the plate to me. New idiom for you, steak on the plate.
McM: Mmm, I think I agree with Milograd. Unibot and I have had this discussion before haha. It is simply one part of his campaign.
Milo: And some are vegetarians.
Uni: I think Anti-Fascism is generally a cheap-shot to be perfectly honest with the hope of grabbing center voters with a hopeless "Kill the Nazis" campaign. It never goes anywhere and it would confuse Lazarus's defenderism.

Yup, I'm clearly just pandering for votes. Yup. I clearly haven't been extremely this Anti-Nazi/Fascist since day one of joining NS. I clearly never led any liberation's(or raids) on Nazi regions around a year ago, when voting wasn't even a issue for me (I was in The Communist Region around a year ago, for reference)/ Nope, clearly voter pandering. And clearly there wasn't loads of other text Unibot to go along with my campaign. Nope, those others parts have been abducted by aliens, it seems.
Also, since its apparently hard to check facts. here's the latest quote from my thread that I made.

After looking at the graphs from Funk (which I totally forgot about), I agree with Funk on the issue of Imperialism VS Nazism on being the bigger threat. Imperialists are the bigger threat.

>_>
Also, apparently my thread gives off the vibe I want to raid Nazi/Fascist regions, which isn't the case.

[Glen-Rhodes]

I think Funkadelia is favored to win, simply because they're more out in front of the election than any other candidate. All the campaigns lack a lot of detail and read the same. There are a few differences, but ultimately everybody is anti-imperialist and pro-defender and they all want to increase activity. Horse was a little different with the antifa stuff, but has abandoned the idea and fallen in line with everybody else on an anti-imperialist agenda.The outlier is Llamas, who is unlikely to be elected because he insulted the top echelon in Lazarus with his corruption talk (which sounds more like just an extension of the Communist rhetoric than a serious accusation).

[Unibot III]

but ultimately everybody is anti-imperialist and pro-defender and they all want to increase activity.

You say this like this is a bad thing...

[Venico]

Being pro-defender is a horrible thing for a region Uni. Look at what happened in TEP.

[Mallorea and Riva]

but ultimately everybody is anti-imperialist and pro-defender and they all want to increase activity.

You say this like this is a bad thing...

Only giving voters the illusion of choice is a bad thing in any democratic system.

[The Spirit]

Being pro-defender is a horrible thing for a region Uni. Look at what happened in TEP.

Correction. Pro-Defender works just fine. There's plenty of regions out there that prove that. The issue is when you try to take it further and begin alienating others within that region.

Basically, Pro-Defender is great. Unibotian Pro-Defender is... not so great.

-Tim

[Unibot III]

TEP went defender in the most moderate of ways. Independents even spent time arguing whether the definition of "defender" I had written was actually a "defender" (and it was). TEP blew up over the issue because a triad of vocal opportunists, including Todd McCloud and Hobbes, went hard at it to make the biggest stink possible about the proposal. At one point, Todd even admitted it didn't matter how weak we made the proposal, he opposed it simply on the grounds it called TEP a "defender region". He even told us he didn't care if TEP only defended and liberated, but that the main thing was he didn't want the region to be called a "defender region", which is ludicrous.. if a region is only defending and liberating, it is a defender region.

Todd and Hobbes constructed some false argument that unless a region calls itself "neutral", it is not open to all members, which is an extremely radical notion (and offensive to defender regions like TRR and Lazarus, which are open to all members), which also is contradictory, since under that logic, neutral regions are only open to neutrals...

Furthermore, I was not the only one pushing for the proposal. It passed overwhelming in the Assembly. Everyone, including Todd, forgets how scared most of its citizens are of Todd. I had supporters of the Defender Act coming to me telling me there were terrified of retribution from Todd - he can make your life miserable in TEP if he wants. Most of my "abuse" of Todd McCloud, was me standing up to the bloke. Pursuing me in a court (led by Todd McCloud) to try to get rid of me was a natural extension of TEP's backwater political-legal complex.

[Tano]

TEP went defender in the most moderate of ways. Independents even spent time arguing whether the definition of "defender" I had written was actually a "defender" (and it was). TEP blew up over the issue because a triad of vocal opportunists, including Todd McCloud and Hobbes, went hard at it to make the biggest stink possible about the proposal. At one point, Todd even admitted it didn't matter how weak we made the proposal, he opposed it simply on the grounds it called TEP a "defender region". He even told us he didn't care if TEP only defended and liberated, but that the main thing was he didn't want the region to be called a "defender region", which is ludicrous.. if a region is only defending and liberating, it is a defender region.

Todd and Hobbes constructed some false argument that unless a region calls itself "neutral", it is not open to all members, which is an extremely radical notion (and offensive to defender regions like TRR and Lazarus, which are open to all members), which also is contradictory, since under that logic, neutral regions are only open to neutrals...

Furthermore, I was not the only one pushing for the proposal. It passed overwhelming in the Assembly. Everyone, including Todd, forgets how scared most of its citizens are of Todd. I had supporters of the Defender Act coming to me telling me there were terrified of retribution from Todd - he can make your life miserable in TEP if he wants. Most of my "abuse" of Todd McCloud, was me standing up to the bloke. Pursuing me in a court (led by Todd McCloud) to try to get rid of me was a natural extension of TEP's backwater political-legal complex.

wut.

just. wut.

I can tell you right now that not a single person in TEP that I've talked to believes that the Defender Act was a good thing.

Also, lolololol at the notion that Todd intimidated people.

You crack me up Uni. You really do

[King Alexander]

TEP went defender in the most moderate of ways. Independents even spent time arguing whether the definition of "defender" I had written was actually a "defender" (and it was). TEP blew up over the issue because a triad of vocal opportunists, including Todd McCloud and Hobbes, went hard at it to make the biggest stink possible about the proposal. At one point, Todd even admitted it didn't matter how weak we made the proposal, he opposed it simply on the grounds it called TEP a "defender region". He even told us he didn't care if TEP only defended and liberated, but that the main thing was he didn't want the region to be called a "defender region", which is ludicrous.. if a region is only defending and liberating, it is a defender region.

Todd and Hobbes constructed some false argument that unless a region calls itself "neutral", it is not open to all members, which is an extremely radical notion (and offensive to defender regions like TRR and Lazarus, which are open to all members), which also is contradictory, since under that logic, neutral regions are only open to neutrals...

Furthermore, I was not the only one pushing for the proposal. It passed overwhelming in the Assembly. Everyone, including Todd, forgets how scared most of its citizens are of Todd. I had supporters of the Defender Act coming to me telling me there were terrified of retribution from Todd - he can make your life miserable in TEP if he wants. Most of my "abuse" of Todd McCloud, was me standing up to the bloke. Pursuing me in a court (led by Todd McCloud) to try to get rid of me was a natural extension of TEP's backwater political-legal complex.

God, I generally don't involve myself with gameplay but you are some kind of stupid.

From what I'm told, the Defender Act hurt TEP more then helped it.

As for Todd... Todd is only intimidating to those who know nothing about this game.

Sometimes Uni you should just keep your trap shut '

~ Alexa

[Unibot III]

wut.

just. wut.

I can tell you right now that not a single person in TEP that I've talked to believes that the Defender Act was a good thing.

Also, lolololol at the notion that Todd intimidated people.

You crack me up Uni. You really do

It was a terrible thing. It gave an opportunity to a bunch of independentists to rise up and tear TEP down even further on the grounds of faux equality and close-minded regionalism.

However, many people included me, thought it was a good idea when it was proposed. The stink that rose about it from the higher echelons of the Conclave only came about for the most obvious of reasons: Hobbes wanted to get elected in the coming election, he knew Todd backing him would be helpful, so he switched sides on the Defender Act to wave the "rarh rarh" banner with Todd (who had until then had given up on fruitlessly bitching about it). Curiously, when the two of them were caught red-handed with the "Unibot-Free Zone" skype channel, Hobbes was extremely quick to throw Todd under the bus - fearing it would hurt his chances at getting elected. The pair deserve each other.

Todd absolutely does intimidate people - there were many players in TEP that were concerned with his behavior during the debate. He lies, he cheats, he barks and threatens. Most of all he likes to grandstand and in the case of the Defender Act, he gave an extremely disingenuous ultimatum to his own bloody region.

This recent "get rid of Unibot and blame all of TEP's problems on him" maneuver is essentially another communal cover-up for a bigger problem: the balance of government and the power and influence of The East Pacific's eternal powerbroker. At some point, whether it's three years from now or a decade, The East Pacific will have to deal with Todd McCloud. Osiris had to commit surgery on itself to remove The Empire, The North Pacific has painstakingly crucified Grosse, Lazarus combated Vik and her ilk, The South Pacific pried Hileville from its wounds and if you think Todd is immune to this kind of response, you're wrong. It will happen.

[Ambroscus Koth]

Wow.

I'm speechless.

[Dalimbar]

I'm next expecting to hear, with that kind of language, that Todd is an Empire plant bent on destroying TEP from the inside. Really, and this is someone who doesn't care about current TEP policy (I <3 you guys, just not that much), some of your comments are ridiculous, Unibot.

[Tano]

wut.

just. wut.

I can tell you right now that not a single person in TEP that I've talked to believes that the Defender Act was a good thing.

Also, lolololol at the notion that Todd intimidated people.

You crack me up Uni. You really do

It was a terrible thing. It gave an opportunity to a bunch of independentists to rise up and tear TEP down even further on the grounds of faux equality and close-minded regionalism.

However, many people included me, thought it was a good idea when it was proposed. The stink that rose about it from the higher echelons of the Conclave only came about for the most obvious of reasons: Hobbes wanted to get elected in the coming election, he knew Todd backing him would be helpful, so he switched sides on the Defender Act to wave the "rarh rarh" banner with Todd (who had until then had given up on fruitlessly bitching about it). Curiously, when the two of them were caught red-handed with the "Unibot-Free Zone" skype channel, Hobbes was extremely quick to throw Todd under the bus - fearing it would hurt his chances at getting elected. The pair deserve each other.

Todd absolutely does intimidate people - there were many players in TEP that were concerned with his behavior during the debate. He lies, he cheats, he barks and threatens. Most of all he likes to grandstand and in the case of the Defender Act, he gave an extremely disingenuous ultimatum to his own bloody region.

This recent "get rid of Unibot and blame all of TEP's problems on him" maneuver is essentially another communal cover-up for a bigger problem: the balance of government and the power and influence of The East Pacific's eternal powerbroker. At some point, whether it's three years from now or a decade, The East Pacific will have to deal with Todd McCloud. Osiris had to commit surgery on itself to remove The Empire, The North Pacific has painstakingly crucified Grosse, Lazarus combated Vik and her ilk, The South Pacific pried Hileville from its wounds and if you think Todd is immune to this kind of response, you're wrong. It will happen.

Cool story brah.

Oh, and how many regions have you been kicked out of again? Or at least been close to kicked out of?

Oh. Right.

[Xoriet]

wut.

just. wut.

I can tell you right now that not a single person in TEP that I've talked to believes that the Defender Act was a good thing.

Also, lolololol at the notion that Todd intimidated people.

You crack me up Uni. You really do

It was a terrible thing. It gave an opportunity to a bunch of independentists to rise up and tear TEP down even further on the grounds of faux equality and close-minded regionalism.

However, many people included me, thought it was a good idea when it was proposed. The stink that rose about it from the higher echelons of the Conclave only came about for the most obvious of reasons: Hobbes wanted to get elected in the coming election, he knew Todd backing him would be helpful, so he switched sides on the Defender Act to wave the "rarh rarh" banner with Todd (who had until then had given up on fruitlessly bitching about it). Curiously, when the two of them were caught red-handed with the "Unibot-Free Zone" skype channel, Hobbes was extremely quick to throw Todd under the bus - fearing it would hurt his chances at getting elected. The pair deserve each other.

Todd absolutely does intimidate people - there were many players in TEP that were concerned with his behavior during the debate. He lies, he cheats, he barks and threatens. Most of all he likes to grandstand and in the case of the Defender Act, he gave an extremely disingenuous ultimatum to his own bloody region.

This recent "get rid of Unibot and blame all of TEP's problems on him" maneuver is essentially another communal cover-up for a bigger problem: the balance of government and the power and influence of The East Pacific's eternal powerbroker. At some point, whether it's three years from now or a decade, The East Pacific will have to deal with Todd McCloud. Osiris had to commit surgery on itself to remove The Empire, The North Pacific has painstakingly crucified Grosse, Lazarus combated Vik and her ilk, The South Pacific pried Hileville from its wounds and if you think Todd is immune to this kind of response, you're wrong. It will happen.

Unibot. Todd has yet to abuse his power. He pointed out a very legitimate concern. I supported the Defender Act when it was happening, and continued to do so until after the Identity Act had passed. Even when the "offensive" clause about defending had been removed from the legislation, the Identity Act solved the internal turmoil that was caused by infighting over the Defender Act. If you look back, the only thing the Defender Act actually accomplished was to seriously damage the region internally. The recovery from the drama that exploded through TEP took a long time.

Todd expressed his opinion, as a number of people did, when it became clear that TEP was headed in a direction that he had issue with. Some of the things he predicted were very true. Today, TEP is much brighter without ideology causing internal strife and the level of drama has decreased so significantly that it is barely recognizable as the same region that existed during the time of the Defender Act.

There are a number of regions (GCRs, even) that have benefited from defender ideology. TEP is not one of those, as the current state of the region versus what it was two months ago demonstrates on a daily basis.

[Ambroscus Koth]

I'm next expecting to hear, with that kind of language, that Todd is an Empire plant bent on destroying TEP from the inside. Really, and this is someone who doesn't care about current TEP policy (I <3 you guys, just not that much), some of your comments are ridiculous, Unibot.

Well I mean, Todd totally was Empire, but I don't think anyone besides the most ridiculous among us would believe that he's a plant

[King Alexander]

wut.

just. wut.

I can tell you right now that not a single person in TEP that I've talked to believes that the Defender Act was a good thing.

Also, lolololol at the notion that Todd intimidated people.

You crack me up Uni. You really do

It was a terrible thing. It gave an opportunity to a bunch of independentists to rise up and tear TEP down even further on the grounds of faux equality and close-minded regionalism.

However, many people included me, thought it was a good idea when it was proposed. The stink that rose about it from the higher echelons of the Conclave only came about for the most obvious of reasons: Hobbes wanted to get elected in the coming election, he knew Todd backing him would be helpful, so he switched sides on the Defender Act to wave the "rarh rarh" banner with Todd (who had until then had given up on fruitlessly bitching about it). Curiously, when the two of them were caught red-handed with the "Unibot-Free Zone" skype channel, Hobbes was extremely quick to throw Todd under the bus - fearing it would hurt his chances at getting elected. The pair deserve each other.

Todd absolutely does intimidate people - there were many players in TEP that were concerned with his behavior during the debate. He lies, he cheats, he barks and threatens. Most of all he likes to grandstand and in the case of the Defender Act, he gave an extremely disingenuous ultimatum to his own bloody region.

This recent "get rid of Unibot and blame all of TEP's problems on him" maneuver is essentially another communal cover-up for a bigger problem: the balance of government and the power and influence of The East Pacific's eternal powerbroker. At some point, whether it's three years from now or a decade, The East Pacific will have to deal with Todd McCloud. Osiris had to commit surgery on itself to remove The Empire, The North Pacific has painstakingly crucified Grosse, Lazarus combated Vik and her ilk, The South Pacific pried Hileville from its wounds and if you think Todd is immune to this kind of response, you're wrong. It will happen.

Aren't you tired of trying to defend yourself, or is that just part of the persona you play?

OH GREAT UNIBOT, SPEWER OF CRAP, LIBERATOR OF.... Oh wait, you can't even liberate yourself.

Good God guy, you just don't get it, so allow me to spell this out for you.......

W-E -- D-O -- N-O-T -- C-A-R-E -- A-B-O-U-T -- A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G -- Y-O-U -- H-A-V-E -- T-O -- S-A-Y -- E-V-E-R!

[Ramaeus]

Todd absolutely does intimidate people - there were many players in TEP that were concerned with his behavior during the debate. He lies, he cheats, he barks and threatens. Most of all he likes to grandstand and in the case of the Defender Act, he gave an extremely disingenuous ultimatum to his own bloody region.

This recent "get rid of Unibot and blame all of TEP's problems on him" maneuver is essentially another communal cover-up for a bigger problem: the balance of government and the power and influence of The East Pacific's eternal powerbroker. At some point, whether it's three years from now or a decade, The East Pacific will have to deal with Todd McCloud. Osiris had to commit surgery on itself to remove The Empire, The North Pacific has painstakingly crucified Grosse, Lazarus combated Vik and her ilk, The South Pacific pried Hileville from its wounds and if you think Todd is immune to this kind of response, you're wrong. It will happen.

First off, we didn't want Todd to leave TEP. And he didn't have to threaten or intimidate anyone in order to evoke that response from us. We happen to, you know, like Todd. Secondly, I don't know why you think we've blamed "all of TEP's problems" on you. We haven't. We've accurately accused you of the problems that you started. Thirdly, yet again, you're throwing around accusations of corruption and abuse of power without actually having any evidence for said accusations. Not everything is about you, Uni.

[Ambroscus Koth]

You fools! You are merely blind-sighted by Todd's cunning plan to...not act like a dick to people...to make you all do his bidding! You are all merely pawns falling right into his trap!

[Dalimbar]

I'm next expecting to hear, with that kind of language, that Todd is an Empire plant bent on destroying TEP from the inside. Really, and this is someone who doesn't care about current TEP policy (I <3 you guys, just not that much), some of your comments are ridiculous, Unibot.

Well I mean, Todd totally was Empire, but I don't think anyone besides the most ridiculous among us would believe that he's a plant

Once upon a time he was a low-level member who wanted TRR, but, erm, wait, is this a story time thread or no? In any case, I figure it's something Unibot would try to pull from the smoke.

[Unibot III]

Given the fact what some people are posting here directly contradicts what they said to me in private, I think these somebodies shouldn't be badgering me about what is true or false.

You came to me worried about what Todd could do you - and now you're trying to say I'm lying because I'm the only one with enough backbone to say publicly that Todd has more political dirt on his hands in The East Pacific than anyone else. Go back to being silently terrified for all I care - I tried to do my part to fight him and when there was an easy way out to "go back to the way things used to be", you sat back and let me get charged with a set of bogus charges, happy to blame everything on me.

Good god, have fun living with the sleeping elephant, because none of you seem capable of standing up to it.

You fools! You are merely blind-sighted by Todd's cunning plan to...not act like a dick to people...to make you all do his bidding! You are all merely pawns falling right into his trap!

Oh absolutely, one of the nicest chaps in NationStates...

[Tano]

Given the fact what some people are posting here directly contradicts what they said to me in private, I think these somebodies shouldn't be badgering me about what is true or false.

You came to me worried about what Todd could do you - and now you're trying to say I'm lying because I'm the only one with enough backbone to say publicly that Todd has more political dirt on his hands in The East Pacific than anyone else. Go back to being silently terrified for all I care - I tried to do my part to fight him and when there was an easy way out to "go back to the way things used to be", you sat back and let me get charged with a set of bogus charges, happy to blame everything on me.

Good god, have fun living with the sleeping elephant, because none of you seem capable of standing up to it.

Why don't you actually name names then? Who here said they are afraid of Todd?

[British Grand Pacific]

You fail to show for your own trial so you attempt to play one out in the court of public opinion? Seriously, put down the bowl of fruit loops. You've had enough.

[Nierr]

(and offensive to defender regions like TRR and Lazarus, which are open to all members)

And is also offensive to regions like Balder and Osiris which, for all their faults, are just as open to all members.

[Unibot III]

Given the fact what some people are posting here directly contradicts what they said to me in private, I think these somebodies shouldn't be badgering me about what is true or false.

You came to me worried about what Todd could do you - and now you're trying to say I'm lying because I'm the only one with enough backbone to say publicly that Todd has more political dirt on his hands in The East Pacific than anyone else. Go back to being silently terrified for all I care - I tried to do my part to fight him and when there was an easy way out to "go back to the way things used to be", you sat back and let me get charged with a set of bogus charges, happy to blame everything on me.

Good god, have fun living with the sleeping elephant, because none of you seem capable of standing up to it.

Why don't you actually name names then? Who here said they are afraid of Todd?

Because they told me in private. I don't mind saying some people here are lying (and they aren't Tano), but I don't want to reveal them - they can reveal themselves if they want to stand up for their beliefs for once.

(and offensive to defender regions like TRR and Lazarus, which are open to all members)

And is also offensive to regions like Balder and Osiris which, for all their faults, are just as open to all members.

Sure, agreed.

[Nierr]

-snip-

God, I generally don't involve myself with gameplay but you are some kind of stupid.

Yeah, your posts here, are much worse than anything Unibot has to say. You don't have anything to contribute so you're just resorting to abuse.

You're kindof the problem that causes level and type of discourse the gameplay forum sees nowadays.