The Rejected Times

[Pierconium]

Nice commentary piece on the NPO. I actually wouldn't have even read it if Pierconium and Zaolat hadn't responded to it like they did.

Good. I think it should be widely read. It illustrates a fundamental lack of understanding on the part of the writer and the Times that nations should be aware of.

[RiderSyl]

Nice commentary piece on the NPO. I actually wouldn't have even read it if Pierconium and Zaolat hadn't responded to it like they did.

Good. I think it should be widely read. It illustrates a fundamental lack of understanding on the part of the writer and the Times that nations should be aware of.

When will you be advertising it on The Pacific's RMB then?

[Pierconium]

Good. I think it should be widely read. It illustrates a fundamental lack of understanding on the part of the writer and the Times that nations should be aware of.

When will you be advertising it on The Pacific's RMB then?

No, nations in the Pacific are intelligent enough to understand the government of their own region. It isn’t our job to advertise poorly constructed argumentation from poor journalism. ‘Widely read’ in this context referred to nations like your own, that often has misconceptions of the NPO and its motivations.

[Armaros]

I love how outraged NPO members respond here. Can one of you tell me where exactly the article is factually incorrect?

[Pierconium]

I love how outraged NPO members respond here. Can one of you tell me where exactly the article is factually incorrect?

Outraged?

Really? This is laughable...at best.

I said the supposition that the Pacific was attempting to push the new position as a shift towards democracy was incorrect. Not really sure how that comes across as ‘outrage’.

[Airengard]

I love how outraged NPO members respond here. Can one of you tell me where exactly the article is factually incorrect?

What is hilarious is how you ignore what is being said in favour of laughing at some non-existent outrage.
As was said before, the article is factually incorrect. That is final. The NPO has never said it wanted to switch to a democracy and thus no moves were made in that direction. The fact that the article attempts to mock the NPO for failing at it is laughable at best and pitiful at worst considering how hard it is trying to push an agenda based on a false assumption. How long will it take for people to get through their skulls that the NPO has no interest whatsoever in being a democracy, and thus any perceived failings at achieving said type of government are merely idiotic attempts at getting any relevancy in a campaign that is losing interest within the community.

[RiderSyl]

Oh yeah, all these comments definitely aren't outrage at the article. Don't believe your lying eyes!

[Pierconium]

Oh yeah, all these comments definitely aren't outrage at the article. Don't believe your lying eyes!

I am not outraged by an opposition leaning news outlet claiming that the NPO is attempting to fool the world about democracy. I simply pointed out that it is incorrect. We aren’t claiming a move towards democracy. No outrage. Some here do seem upset though. Odd.

[RiderSyl]

Some here do seem upset though. Odd.

You know what? I am upset! Upset that you copped out of spreading this lovely issue around on The Pacific's RMB! Surely there are nations in TP that aren't yet educated on your government and could learn what it isn't from this article, right?

[Airengard]

Oh yeah, all these comments definitely aren't outrage at the article. Don't believe your lying eyes!

So, if someone lies about you, you should shut up and let rumours spread? You should stuff yourself in a corner and let people create more and more insane lies about you? Cause if so, then please, do leave the forums as I begin spinning the thread about some random non-existent sin of yours.

[Zaolat]

I love how outraged NPO members respond here. Can one of you tell me where exactly the article is factually incorrect?

I'm, what?

Oh, easy answer

it is all a sham with the hope that putting up such a façade will help out whatever public image they have left.

Except, we don't really give a shit about what others think? I ain't implying we don't understand where we went wrong not long ago, but we ain't changing anything For You (By you, I mean that in the sense of how royal "we" is used) that hasn't already changed due to outside influence already (Ale, Perg, etc). Vox Populi has nothing to do with pretending to be more democratic to satisfy outside observers. It really has nothing much to do with democracy at all, and the only reason any slight form of "democracy" that at all exists for the position is because it was believed that was the best way for the position to work. It's all internal, it was brought up internally, it was discussed internally, and decided internally. It wasn't decided alone by the Emperor and/or the Senate. Nothing outside, whether by demand or what we think the outside should should be seeing/whatever, had any influence.

It's fine if people want to say, "Hey, NPO isn't democratic". Cause duh, it isn't. I just think that's beating a dead horse imho. But it's not factual that anything about this has to do with anything outside the NPO. Here's another thing, some people are deadset in thinking that none of us (Emperor, Senator, Body Republic citizen) want anything to change and that we all or many of us or whatever want to stay the same as we did both times the NPO got in trouble. Fine. I'm okay with there being doubt like that.

Cormac has stated multiple times for example, he thinks this is so, and I respect his opinion. He's not the only one. Then there are those who are apart of the NPO, or friends to it. Then finally people who are somewhere in between. I'm not going to convince Cormac and others, that they're wrong, at least from my view of things. I'm neither going to insist that they are wrong for sure and should shut up. I will on the other hand state what I think is incorrect. If they want to ignore it, fine. If they want to debate it, fine. If they want to accept it, also fine.

I'm hardly upset, I only actively participate in the NPO and TRR. I just saw something that had one or more things incorrect and said something about it. I'd do the same if it was the NPO Times having an article on TRR, I'd say something as well on the other side of the coin. What's wrong with that?

[Armaros]

I love how outraged NPO members respond here. Can one of you tell me where exactly the article is factually incorrect?

What is hilarious is how you ignore what is being said in favour of laughing at some non-existent outrage.
As was said before, the article is factually incorrect. That is final. The NPO has never said it wanted to switch to a democracy and thus no moves were made in that direction. The fact that the article attempts to mock the NPO for failing at it is laughable at best and pitiful at worst considering how hard it is trying to push an agenda based on a false assumption. How long will it take for people to get through their skulls that the NPO has no interest whatsoever in being a democracy, and thus any perceived failings at achieving said type of government are merely idiotic attempts at getting any relevancy in a campaign that is losing interest within the community.

1. The article gets posted.
2. Pacificans come in here screaming how it's factually incorrect.
Totally looks non existent to me.

Just by the by, y'all say proudly "we have an elected official on the senate". After that it gets pointed out that it doesn't truly matter wether or not that one is elected since the requirements mean you can only vote for those who would be appointed in the first place. As a result, here you are screaming about how an "opposition leaning news outlet" (lmfao) how you never attenpted democracy. All good and well, but what do you think electing officials is called?

[Pierconium]

What is hilarious is how you ignore what is being said in favour of laughing at some non-existent outrage.
As was said before, the article is factually incorrect. That is final. The NPO has never said it wanted to switch to a democracy and thus no moves were made in that direction. The fact that the article attempts to mock the NPO for failing at it is laughable at best and pitiful at worst considering how hard it is trying to push an agenda based on a false assumption. How long will it take for people to get through their skulls that the NPO has no interest whatsoever in being a democracy, and thus any perceived failings at achieving said type of government are merely idiotic attempts at getting any relevancy in a campaign that is losing interest within the community.

1. The article gets posted.
2. Pacificans come in here screaming how it's factually incorrect.
Totally looks non existent to me.

Just by the by, y'all say proudly "we have an elected official on the senate". After that it gets pointed out that it doesn't truly matter wether or not that one is elected since the requirements mean you can only vote for those who would be appointed in the first place. As a result, here you are screaming about how an "opposition leaning news outlet" (lmfao) how you never attenpted democracy. All good and well, but what do you think electing officials is called?

Electing one official from a vetted selection of candidates does not a democratic government make. We never claimed it was, because it isn’t. Not really a hard concept overall.

No screaming, no outrage, no democracy. Seems like you could use a better dictionary. Maybe next time, okay?

[Zaolat]

What is hilarious is how you ignore what is being said in favour of laughing at some non-existent outrage.
As was said before, the article is factually incorrect. That is final. The NPO has never said it wanted to switch to a democracy and thus no moves were made in that direction. The fact that the article attempts to mock the NPO for failing at it is laughable at best and pitiful at worst considering how hard it is trying to push an agenda based on a false assumption. How long will it take for people to get through their skulls that the NPO has no interest whatsoever in being a democracy, and thus any perceived failings at achieving said type of government are merely idiotic attempts at getting any relevancy in a campaign that is losing interest within the community.

1. The article gets posted.
2. Pacificans come in here screaming how it's factually incorrect.
Totally looks non existent to me.

Just by the by, y'all say proudly "we have an elected official on the senate". After that it gets pointed out that it doesn't truly matter wether or not that one is elected since the requirements mean you can only vote for those who would be appointed in the first place. As a result, here you are screaming about how an "opposition leaning news outlet" (lmfao) how you never attenpted democracy. All good and well, but what do you think electing officials is called?

Screaming? What in the world?

[Jar Wattinree]

1. The article gets posted.
2. Pacificans come in here screaming how it's factually incorrect.
Totally looks non existent to me.

Just by the by, y'all say proudly "we have an elected official on the senate". After that it gets pointed out that it doesn't truly matter wether or not that one is elected since the requirements mean you can only vote for those who would be appointed in the first place. As a result, here you are screaming about how an "opposition leaning news outlet" (lmfao) how you never attenpted democracy. All good and well, but what do you think electing officials is called?

Screaming? What in the world?

It's projection.

[Malphe]

TRT publishes article about NPO, two NPOers reply saying it's incorrect, and now that's screaming? What like, bursting into the thread, ranting and raving? Because Ivan's and Zao's replies seemed cordial to me. Come on, y'all are better than this.

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

I honestly find this amusing. Two issues ago a few APC members were flipping out about a meme and now the NPO is being told to calm down and not get so strung up about a story despite the roles being reversed only a bit ago. Anyway, again, even though I have to say this every issue, TRT is a citizen-run newspaper. In my capacity as Media Officer, I have minimal involvement and only edit and organize the paper. Outrage over an article will not silence the author and prevent them from writing about the topic in the future.

And Ivan, I just thought I'd bring this up, calling the region's newspaper an opposition paper is frankly absurd considering that literally anyone can write about anything except for OOC drama and (serious) random conspiracies theories. This isn't some tabloid written by a badly concealed puppet. In fact, I'd be interested in and love to see you write a response to The Aligned One's article on the position of Vox Populi.

And FYI, I only posted because I felt that both sides are using flawed logic.

[Jar Wattinree]

I honestly find this amusing. Two issues ago a few APC members were flipping out about a meme and now the NPO is being told to calm down and not get so strung up about a story despite the roles being reversed only a bit ago. Anyway, again, even though I have to say this every issue, TRT is a citizen-run newspaper. In my capacity as Media Officer, I have minimal involvement and only edit and organize the paper. Outrage over an article will not silence the author and prevent them from writing about the topic in the future.

I like to think it is projection. Is this a sign that TRT is becoming a Cormac newspaper? Polarizing everyone and loved by everyone (when it suits them)?

[Cataluna]

I enjoyed Souls' article.

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

I honestly find this amusing. Two issues ago a few APC members were flipping out about a meme and now the NPO is being told to calm down and not get so strung up about a story despite the roles being reversed only a bit ago. Anyway, again, even though I have to say this every issue, TRT is a citizen-run newspaper. In my capacity as Media Officer, I have minimal involvement and only edit and organize the paper. Outrage over an article will not silence the author and prevent them from writing about the topic in the future.

I like to think it is projection. Is this a sign that TRT is becoming a Cormac newspaper? Polarizing everyone and loved by everyone (when it suits them)?

TRT has always been a controversial newspaper. Period. Not all of our writers agree with what the others write. I wouldn't call TRT a Cormac newspaper, by the way. TRT is very different from Miniluv.

[Lord Dominator]

I enjoyed Souls' article.

I went back to check because I expected Souls' article to be the NPO one, and it wasn't

[The Real Rejected Realms News]

This isn't some tabloid written by a badly concealed puppet.

Reporting the news that The Rejected Times won't!

BREAKING NEWS UPDATE

Yeah that's us, duh.

NOTE: The Rejected Tabloid reflects the absolute truth of events inside The Rejected Realms.

DISCLOSURE: TRT does not represent the views of TRT or the Government of TRR, and neither of these bodies have any input as to what TRT publishes.

[Harenhime]

I enjoyed Souls' article.

Glad that at least one person seems to have read it, lol

I enjoyed Souls' article.

I went back to check because I expected Souls' article to be the NPO one, and it wasn't

Nope!

[Miss Bad Life Choices]

This isn't some tabloid written by a badly concealed puppet.

Reporting the news that The Rejected Times won't!

BREAKING NEWS UPDATE

Yeah that's us, duh.

NOTE: The Rejected Tabloid reflects the absolute truth of events inside The Rejected Realms.

DISCLOSURE: TRT does not represent the views of TRT or the Government of TRR, and neither of these bodies have any input as to what TRT publishes.

Was hoping you would show up eventually after that comment

Also great articles ^-^ Enjoyed reading them

[The Aligned People]

In the announcement message of Vox Populi put out by East Durthang, he said this:

We look forward to further establishing the role of Vox Populi as a new norm within our society.

To me, that says that East is wanting to gain favor with others by saying that the Senator of the People is here, and it's here to stay. Also meaning that the "democratic process" (if you can call it that) used to select the Vox Populi is also here to stay. And as has been stated by Pierconium, the NPO has no intention to establish democracy within its borders. So since the NPO has no intention to establish democracy (a well-known fact), why would East make it seem as if he is all gung ho about reform? He said it himself, he wants it to be the new norm within the NPO even though he couldn't want democracy further away from them. So I very much so stand by the fact that the office of the Senator of the People is intended to give the perception of democracy.

You would think that my argument is factual if the Consul of the NPO is persistently debating with others in the thread about how I have a "fundamental lack of understanding."

In fact, I'd be interested in and love to see you write a response to The Aligned One's article on the position of Vox Populi.

Couldn't agree more Manson! I'll be waiting for it...