The Rejected Times

[Malphe]

May Lady Zyonn shield us from that...

It’s frankly a travesty to the innovative nature of mankind that only region that has an utterly unique recruitment method, that can literally grow their population by military force, doesn’t. Go run a standard defender military in some other region and let someone else use the one-of-a-kind setup you’re ignoring.

Imagining the RRRA going on an unending warpath to make TRR the biggest GCR now.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

It’s frankly a travesty to the innovative nature of mankind that only region that has an utterly unique recruitment method, that can literally grow their population by military force, doesn’t. Go run a standard defender military in some other region and let someone else use the one-of-a-kind setup you’re ignoring.

Imagining the RRRA going on an unending warpath to make TRR the biggest GCR now.

Ejecting 5300 or so nations (ignoring the inefficiencies present due to CTE's and people moving back out) would be an epic undertaking. That's about 3% of the population of NS. If you made that your goal for the six months as delegate you have before the next election is triggered, you'd need to average about 30 ejections per day, or 15 per update. Ignoring the other GCR's, you could empty out the top 11 largest founderless regions, and still have 3700 nations to go. Alternatively, you could eject everyone in Osiris, and basically be there.

Something like that, if done, would be one for the history books!

[Aclion]

It’s frankly a travesty to the innovative nature of mankind that only region that has an utterly unique recruitment method, that can literally grow their population by military force, doesn’t. Go run a standard defender military in some other region and let someone else use the one-of-a-kind setup you’re ignoring.

Forcibly filling your region with enemies that you can't even eject seems like a recipe for disaster.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

It’s frankly a travesty to the innovative nature of mankind that only region that has an utterly unique recruitment method, that can literally grow their population by military force, doesn’t. Go run a standard defender military in some other region and let someone else use the one-of-a-kind setup you’re ignoring.

Forcibly filling your region with enemies that you can't even eject seems like a recipe for disaster.

Two options:

1) You run that team as a black op, of course. You don't make it *obvious* that they're your military arm. Maybe you create a cover region, or maybe you send troops to assist the operations of an existing region after making a formalized agreement with them. The point is, the actions don't say you're being sent to TRR by TRR, on the face, you just do it, and then wait to welcome them with open arms!

2) You ignore any criticism, and propagandize it up. Brand it as re-education. Enlightenment! Missionaries, come to show the people the wonder that is TRR. "You won't know that you don't like it until you try it. So try it. That's not an option." The highest form of imperialism. Time to show those natives what a truly refined region is like!


...I prefer the first one. Cooler, less racist/colonialist undertones, all around the better option.

[Aclion]

Maybe the rejected realms prefers the first option as well.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Maybe the rejected realms prefers the first option as well.

By god, are you saying that ________________________ have been secretly working for or with TRR this whole time? That that's been the secret motivator behind all of their raiding? Groundbreaking!

[Lord Dominator]

gasps!

[Malphe]

Maybe the rejected realms prefers the first option as well.

By god, are you saying that ________________________ have been secretly working for or with TRR this whole time? That that's been the secret motivator behind all of their raiding? Groundbreaking!

Better make a new thread for people to reflect on this revelation.

[Wabbitslayah]

By god, are you saying that ________________________ have been secretly working for or with TRR this whole time? That that's been the secret motivator behind all of their raiding? Groundbreaking!

Better make a new thread for people to reflect on this revelation.

It's not necessary.

[Drop Your Pants]

An easier solution is to bribe HEM and Grub into emptying their regions at the same time.

[Unibot III]

May Lady Zyonn shield us from that...

It’s frankly a travesty to the innovative nature of mankind that only region that has an utterly unique recruitment method, that can literally grow their population by military force, doesn’t. Go run a standard defender military in some other region and let someone else use the one-of-a-kind setup you’re ignoring.

We did that once *Peter Capaldi voice* and it was a dooooooooooooooozy. The invasion of the East Pacific, look it up.

Personally, I think the meaning of being a reject would be lost if it was TRR itself that was the source of its residents' forced migration - it's hard to have solidarity with the people screwing you.

[Fauxia]

I mean, that might sound like it could work, but let's be honest, they don't have to stay, and why would they if they were literally just ejected by the same region?

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

1) You run that team as a black op, of course. You don't make it *obvious* that they're your military arm. Maybe you create a cover region, or maybe you send troops to assist the operations of an existing region after making a formalized agreement with them. The point is, the actions don't say you're being sent to TRR by TRR, on the face, you just do it, and then wait to welcome them with open arms!

[Fauxia]

1) You run that team as a black op, of course. You don't make it *obvious* that they're your military arm. Maybe you create a cover region, or maybe you send troops to assist the operations of an existing region after making a formalized agreement with them. The point is, the actions don't say you're being sent to TRR by TRR, on the face, you just do it, and then wait to welcome them with open arms!

Missed that, sorry, just glanced in on the conversation.

Still, they're under no obligation to stay, and a lot of people who are raided don't.

Still, even a good cause like a larger and more powerful TRR can't be done improperly.

[Carolus Rex Francae]

Missed that, sorry, just glanced in on the conversation.

Still, they're under no obligation to stay, and a lot of people who are raided don't.

Still, even a good cause like a larger and more powerful TRR can't be done improperly.

2 years later: "Where did we go wrong?"

[Glacikaldr]

"Any and all leaks from hidden channels revealing vital information regarding TRR's regional security will result in PNGs. You've been warned Ever-Wandering Souls."

[Glacikaldr]

May Lady Zyonn shield us from that...

It’s frankly a travesty to the innovative nature of mankind that only region that has an utterly unique recruitment method, that can literally grow their population by military force, doesn’t. Go run a standard defender military in some other region and let someone else use the one-of-a-kind setup you’re ignoring.

Also, yeah - let's not skip over this one. The RRA is a separate entity to TRR. Zao persists, to my knowledge, that TRR is unaligned, but the RRA not being an entity controlled by TRR's government is a choice made by the RRA itself to this day. Whether this means the RRA will eventually get a similarly separate raider org is another subject entirely, because it'll depend on who leads it and where they would get their numbers from. I doubt ejected/banjected natives are prepared to do what was recently done to them to other natives for no genuine reason beyond the impersonal.

[RiderSyl]

I doubt ejected/banjected natives are prepared to do what was recently done to them to other natives

You would actually be surprised at how many victims of raids end up becoming raiders after the fact. During my years as a raider, more recruits came in as "former natives" than through telegram recruitment.

[The Church of Satan]

I might be the only person in TRR that wouldn't mind seeing the RRA raid (as well as defend) on occasion.

[Glacikaldr]

I doubt ejected/banjected natives are prepared to do what was recently done to them to other natives

You would actually be surprised at how many victims of raids end up becoming raiders after the fact. During my years as a raider, more recruits came in as "former natives" than through telegram recruitment.

It's just too hard to imagine them staying in TRR and joining whatever raider org we'd hypothetically have. Might be better PR if it were run independently with only TRR members, but there are already plenty of UCRs set up like that already. Dunno. It wouldn't be up to me anyway.

I might be the only person in TRR that wouldn't mind seeing the RRA raid (as well as defend) on occasion.

I dont know about that, but I do know it wouldn't be our choice unless we became High Commanders of the RRA. A moderate force might be interesting, but I know that for myself, defending is the only thing I'm semi-interested in.

[Frattastan II]

I doubt ejected/banjected natives are prepared to do what was recently done to them to other natives

You would actually be surprised at how many victims of raids end up becoming raiders after the fact. During my years as a raider, more recruits came in as "former natives" than through telegram recruitment.

"more" sounds like a definite exaggeration. Is a majority of TBH, TRI, TRE, or TI made up of victims of their raids? "Some" is more realistic, or even just "a handful of prominent cases".

Aside from ethical considerations, with the influence required forced ejection is never going to compete with telegram recruitment.
You can target thousands of nations with telegrams fairly easily. Even with the usual low return rate, that's much more profitable than trying to eject a similar number of people and seeing how many stick around (spoiler: most don't even now, with high-influence feeder delegates like those of TWP and TP providing a much higher volume of nations than a sinker army could).

[RiderSyl]

"more" sounds like a definite exaggeration. Is a majority of TBH, TRI, TRE, or TI made up of victims of their raids? "Some" is more realistic, or even just "a handful of prominent cases".

All I was doing was sharing my knowledge on the matter, Fratt. I quite clearly said "during my years as a raider" as well, which means TI and definitely TRE aren't factors in this. If what I saw first-hand doesn't come across as "realistic" to you, then I guess reality wasn't realistic.

[Frattastan II]

I was around during that time too, and this is the first time I hear of former natives (natives of founderless regions who were raided and joined that raiding group) making up a majority of the membership of any sizeable raider group.

I quite clearly said "during my years as a raider" as well, which means TI and definitely TRE aren't factors in this.

You made it sound like a general trend which could be repeated, so the make-up of current groups is relevant (also because they are easier to verify, unlike statements made about past groups with inaccessible forums).

[Pergamon]

You would actually be surprised at how many victims of raids end up becoming raiders after the fact. During my years as a raider, more recruits came in as "former natives" than through telegram recruitment.

"more" sounds like a definite exaggeration. Is a majority of TBH, TRI, TRE, or TI made up of victims of their raids? "Some" is more realistic, or even just "a handful of prominent cases".

Aside from ethical considerations, with the influence required forced ejection is never going to compete with telegram recruitment.
You can target thousands of nations with telegrams fairly easily. Even with the usual low return rate, that's much more profitable than trying to eject a similar number of people and seeing how many stick around (spoiler: most don't even now, with high-influence feeder delegates like those of TWP and TP providing a much higher volume of nations than a sinker army could).

Senpai finally notices me..

[Wabbitslayah]

I have no statistics, Souls likely could come up with something if he tried for TBH. But, I don't entirely disagree with Syl. Even if I said it wasn't a majority, a lot of people joined raiding groups after being raided over time or as a result of seeing a raid's aftereffects. I'm not sure if TG is the majority. TI, might be an exception cause Gest has been a recruiting machine.

Again, no sauce, so yeah.