The Rejected Times

[Louisistan]

Who was involved from XKI and how is the TO denying rresponsibility?

The who to the what now?

As far as I know one (let me repeat that: ONE) nation from XKI jumped to TBR of his own free will. He's perfectly free to do that. That nation is not a TITO member. So I wouldn't say I'm denying responsibility - there is no responsibility to deny.

Who are you btw and why exactly do you care?

[That Called the Vlagh]

Regarding The West Pacific, you are factually correct but the tone implies partiality in your reporting. Not surprising, but I would like to point out that the Delegate, Guardians, and most of the Assembly have voiced support for the actions undertaken by Elegarth in regards to the dissolution.

As to why Elegarth would be selected over Llamas by myself in reinstating him to office, it is because the election only took place because of his resignation. The fact that two full votes failed to change the status quo led me to conclude, after consultation with the Delegate, that radical change was necessary in order to avoid stagnation.

[United RussoAsia]

Vlagh is correct-
As an HGA member before the dissolving of that body by Vlagh, I myself and several other members found ourselves aggravated or in some cases unwilling to continue working due to the deadlock and stagnation. I believe that while I voted for Llamas the first time and abstained the second, I should have voted for Elegarth both times. This was indeed the right move to make.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

As usual Unibot ignores the facts that don't fit his views. So Elegarth has been a member of the TWP community for some time now at least a year if my memory serves me correctly. Vlagh has been in TWP for 6 or 7 years, served as a Senator under one of our previous constitutions and has run ministries under a number of different Delegates. These roles were performed honourably and with distinction.

Neither of these two could be described as "johnny come lately" as Unibot likes to imply. They have a longer history within the region than some.

[That Called the Vlagh]

As usual Unibot ignores the facts that don't fit his views. So Elegarth has been a member of the TWP community for some time now at least a year if my memory serves me correctly. Vlagh has been in TWP for 6 or 7 years, served as a Senator under one of our previous constitutions and has run ministries under a number of different Delegates. These roles were performed honourably and with distinction.

Neither of these two could be described as "johnny come lately" as Unibot likes to imply. They have a longer history within the region than some.

Quite right.

Although, I have been in TWP since late 2005 I believe, so closer to a decade, 9 years at a minimum as I served as an admin there in 2006. But, the point remains and the support is much appreciated.

[Glen-Rhodes]

I wish Gruen would've added another point:

6. Clean house. Bring in better people.

The problem is clearly the moderation team itself. So let's replace them, as far as the GA is concerned. It's not just Kryozerkia. It's all of them. Mall and Mouse didn't improve anything. Ardchoille clearly doesn't thing any blame can be placed on the mods. Is there a single moderator that's proven themselves to be fully competent and eager to work out these issues? I haven't really seen it. The most useful posts in Mall's thread were from mods who aren't involved in the WA at all.

There's no real reason why GA proposal legality reviews must even be done by moderators, either. Why not (s)elect a group of experienced rules-lawyers to review legality? They can pass on the illegal proposals to the Game Mods. Or, hell, admins can make a special position where GA mods only have access to the proposal queue. I know how much of a non-starter it would be to suggest electing mods in general, but what about mods that don't deal with banning players or whatever?

I would prefer a new team for a new era. Along with that new rule set. There's no reason why the GA can't hold a big convention and let the players determine the parameters of the game. The rules are there, for the most part, to control the quality of the game, and the game is for the players. So we need to start thinking of the rules being there for the players (which is the actual case), and not there for the mods (which is how things are right now).

[The Dark Star Republic]

There's no real reason why GA proposal legality reviews must even be done by moderators, either. Why not (s)elect a group of experienced rules-lawyers to review legality? They can pass on the illegal proposals to the Game Mods. Or, hell, admins can make a special position where GA mods only have access to the proposal queue. I know how much of a non-starter it would be to suggest electing mods in general, but what about mods that don't deal with banning players or whatever?

I was actually going to write an article along these lines for the next issue, proposing just such a system. Also, my lecture for The Rejected Realms April Lecture Series (obligatory plug) is going to explore that theme a bit by comparing the GA to another area of the game where players are in charge of rules decisions for the most part.

However at the time of the original article I was a bit more optimistic so I didn't include anything so drastic: it's almost impressive that they're now fucking things up so fast we can barely keep up!

[Todd McCloud]

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They don't really even need to be forum mods, from what I can tell. They could roughly follow the same path as a Roleplay Mentor but instead of mentoring, they could also prune and make recommendations to the admin team. A sort of hand-picked committee of GA regulars who know what's up and can streamline that body.

[Wickedly evil people]

Vlagh was there when I became delegate the first time in 2005, when Neenee and Biyah's 'revolution' foundered.


Winni and I made him an admin when we abandoned the old TWP forum, Berm decided to ban the Delegate (me) and not allow me to post there.


So I never went back. lol

[Punk Daddy]

Unibot also failed to note that one longstanding TWPer (me) did vote for Llamas. Not all the old guys voted for Elegarth.

Interesting historical tidbit involing Eli and a tie vote. The year was 2006, and I was running for Consul of the Meritocracy, then a venerable organization within NS. Eli during the first vote voted for the other guy. He correctly changed his vote - as I recall - the second time around.

The 2nd vote didn't end in a tie as other voters switched their votes and I lost by a vote. It seems Eli and tie votes seem to follow each other.

/end history sabbatical

All in all - this is the right move for TWP and we need to do this.

[Darkesia]

Loved the Kaz interview. A really packed issue as well. You're on a roll Unibot. Nicely done!

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

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They don't really even need to be forum mods, from what I can tell. They could roughly follow the same path as a Roleplay Mentor but instead of mentoring, they could also prune and make recommendations to the admin team. A sort of hand-picked committee of GA regulars who know what's up and can streamline that body.

I'm liking this idea more and more...

[Sciongrad]

They don't really even need to be forum mods, from what I can tell. They could roughly follow the same path as a Roleplay Mentor but instead of mentoring, they could also prune and make recommendations to the admin team. A sort of hand-picked committee of GA regulars who know what's up and can streamline that body.

I'm liking this idea more and more...

I have to agree. In the past I've been skeptical, but if recent events have demonstrated anything, it's that all GA players have a good faith interest in seeing the game made more playable. I think "GA mentors," who help make rulings and guide new players, will not only be a huge step towards repairing mod-player relations in the GA, but it would also breath some life into the GA.

[RiderSyl]

Oh, so we're discussing the General Assembly and Moderation again.

[Sciongrad]

Oh, so we're discussing the General Assembly and Moderation again.

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Seeing as this edition features two articles about the issue, I have absolutely no idea why you wouldn't expect someone to comment. It's an important issue that some contributors apparently felt was worthy of being addressed. If you're uninvolved and don't care, then don't comment. I'm not sure what you hope to gain by whining.

[RiderSyl]

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/on the way out the window/
Hey, I wasn't whining, I was symbolically jumping out of a high window to detest this thre-

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Moderation of the World Assembly, a game instrument = A GAMEPLAY ISSUE.

EDIT: A side note, do you honestly think everybody in this forum cares and R/D bullshit? Do you constantly hear people complaining about it whenever TRT covers it?

[Solorni]

I do think more people in the GP care about R/D than moderation of the World Assembly proposals.

[Sciongrad]

I do think more people in the GP care about R/D than moderation of the World Assembly proposals.

With all due respect, I don't think that will deter either TRT contributors from writing about WA moderation or stop interested players from commenting on those articles in this thread.

[Solorni]

I do think more people in the GP care about R/D than moderation of the World Assembly proposals.

With all due respect, I don't think that will deter either TRT contributors from writing about WA moderation or stop interested players from commenting on those articles in this thread.

Never said it should, I did enjoy your article. Although I think TRT should cut Gruen. I'm simply saying that whatever you think of R/D it undoubtably is more of a draw. Which is not even judgment on the idea of WA articles themselves, personally I enjoy them.

[Unibot III]

I do think more people in the GP care about R/D than moderation of the World Assembly proposals.

I think you might have missed the top story of this edition.

[Captain Woodhouse]

Anti-Muslim Player Destroys Islam

COMMENTARY | CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATS, REPORTER

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That player, Oh My Days, was an anti-Muslim troll and a former delegate of Nazi Europe (the predecessor of Nazi Europa).

The guy who knows OMD better than anyone else in the game claims OMD doesn’t dig religion—period. I realize that’s not as sensational as the half-truths you reported, CD.

Islam natives worked for years to build up their religious and cultural community, all the while believing wrongly that Oh My Days had left for good.

For all intents and purposes, OMD ‘had left for good’. A couple weeks ago, while reading One Thousand and One Nights on the john, I recalled that OMD refounded Islam. Knowing that GreatNazis and OMD were Facebook friends, I asked GN to contact OMD to see about securing Iron Bark’s pw so we could take control of Islam.

Iron Bark, however, is no normal founder. Upon rejoining Islam, he immediately ejected and banned the entire population -- more than 40 nations in all -- and, subsequently, claimed Islam as a protectorate for his home region, Nazi Europa.

Naturally, you failed to mention that I immediately cleared the ban list, unsuppressed posts and unlocked Islam after OMD had his fun and rode off into the sunset again. I’m not stopping any natives from returning.

Nice destruction image nonetheless. Thanks.

As far as the Land of Kings and Emperors is concerned, Josh Sebastian of LKE released a statement claiming ignorance of Bob Moran's use of the script in question as well as denying knowledge of its existence

One wonders how LKE ever amounted to much considering all the ignorance claims they regularly release. Onder claims to be ignorant of his former prime minister Athelstan MacGregor’s doings in NE—even though Athelstan MacGregor disclosed his NE affiliation in his LKE citizenship application and all over NE’s RMB and in the SC. Like Bob Moran, Athelstan MacGregor’s citizenship application conveniently disappeared.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

As far as the Land of Kings and Emperors is concerned, Josh Sebastian of LKE released a statement claiming ignorance of Bob Moran's use of the script in question as well as denying knowledge of its existence

One wonders how LKE ever amounted to much considering all the ignorance claims they regularly release. Onder claims to be ignorant of his former prime minister Athelstan MacGregor’s doings in NE—even though Athelstan MacGregor disclosed his NE affiliation in his LKE citizenship application and all over NE’s RMB and in the SC. Like Bob Moran, Athelstan MacGregor’s citizenship application conveniently disappeared.

I distinctly remember having to lobotomize Athelstan MacGregor's account on Unknown's forum, because he replaced his signature, avatar and profile information with nazi propaganda. But I put that down to the tantrum he was throwing at the time (I actually don't remember what it was over), and not due to any involvement in Nazi Europe.

[Pollaetorian]

With all due respect, I don't think that will deter either TRT contributors from writing about WA moderation or stop interested players from commenting on those articles in this thread.

Never said it should, I did enjoy your article. Although I think TRT should cut Gruen. I'm simply saying that whatever you think of R/D it undoubtably is more of a draw. Which is not even judgment on the idea of WA articles themselves, personally I enjoy them.

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R/D dominating GP is the problem and I am glad TRT is diversified enough to challenge it. I wonder if its because it's WA that gets everyone in a twist. Articles analyzing nation issues, population changes, embassy links, regional political systems etc don't nearly get as much a response.

[Land filled with People]

R/D dominating GP is the problem and I am glad TRT is diversified enough to challenge it. I wonder if its because it's WA that gets everyone in a twist. Articles analyzing nation issues, population changes, embassy links, regional political systems etc don't nearly get as much a response.

Couldn't agree more. Gameplay is more than just N/R/D, and having insightful articles covering the various ways people find enjoyment in NS makes for a much more interesting read.