The Rejected Times

[Solorni]

Lol, strawman alert. I never criticized DYP. Good job Arch Chancellor

You did by suggesting that "virtually all" delegates hightailed out.

Just because you've been disproven doesn't mean that you tried to imply it.

Ummm, I haven't been disproven. Virtually all is not the same as all Mr. Arch-Chancellor. You can have your one token delegate

And your strawman too!

[Milograd]

Harm had previously gone on to leadership positions within the FRA.

Not only are you struggling to provide detailed facts, now you're resorting to making things up.

Name one leadership position that Harmoneia had go on to in the FRA for me, please.

[Milograd]

You did by suggesting that "virtually all" delegates hightailed out.

Just because you've been disproven doesn't mean that you tried to imply it.

Ummm, I haven't been disproven. Virtually all is not the same as all Mr. Arch-Chancellor. You can have your one token delegate

And your strawman too!

But it hasn't been one. It's been many, if not most. Your claim that we are a stepping stone, and always have been, just goes to show that you don't understand our community.

Harm being a hightailer is an absurd claim. Not only are your claims about her FRA career entirely untrue, and irrelevant even if they were, but she has been in Lazarus since before it even had the qualities that you credit as being contributive to a stepping stone culture. There was a time when Lazarus was a foundered region with no more than 14 endorsements on its delegate, and Harm was there -- she certainly wasn't looking for the next step in a career through Lazarus.

I have already told you that my FRA position doesn't invalidate my continued participation in Lazarus, my choice to fly the LLA flag during missions, and the continued presence of my main in Lazarus. When I offered you a similar instance that related to Balder, Charles Cerebella, you were not able to provide any reason that it was different from my own situation (i.e. you said his WA and main were in the region, and that he was highly active there), yet you insisted that Cerebella was not a hightailer, and for that reason your argument about me is incorrect.

And then I could get into Spec, Dezzland, etc. But I wouldn't be surprised if you know the history of Lazarene delegates beyond Griff.

[Solorni]

Jeez, I meant UDL. Sorry for providing you another strawman Mr. Arch-Chancellor xD

[Milograd]

Jeez, I meant UDL. Sorry for providing you another strawman Mr. Arch-Chancellor xD

I know you like that word, but calling you out on an inaccurate statement does not constitute a strawman. It is your responsibility to make accurate statements, and the burden of fault does not fall on the interpreter when you screw up your argument.

Despite your mistake, Harm's main nation has been in Lazarus since 2004, y'know, six years before the UDL was founded. She really did hightail out of there, now didn't she?

...And to think we got here all from the fact that Balder is a lazy imperialist outpost that hides its lack of a military behind the ISRA, and that NES has been a hilariously disappointing, sub-par delegate. This conversation really has flown everywhere and back.

[Solorni]

Well, I'm glad she put in all that effort to keep her main nation there as she pranced around with the UDL. Too bad Lazarus couldn't have her activity and her main nation

[Vredlandia]

First of all, in regards to the Balder-Laz debate, I'd like to note that I wouldn't consider myself extremist

But back to topic, it's a great interview and a nice summary of the candidates. Thanks for the kind words you found when talking about me.
- Fantome

[Milograd]

Well, I'm glad she put in all that effort to keep her main nation there as she pranced around with the UDL. Too bad Lazarus couldn't have her activity and her main nation

Yes, because she didn't return to activity shortly thereafter or keep her main nation in her home region.

God forbid someone take a break or try something new on NS, right? Certainly no one in Balder has ever done that before, and certainly that invalidates a region being your home.

And surely no one in Balder is or ever has been involved with any military on the side... like Christopher Bishop, OnderKelkia, North East Somerset, Raxion, Riket, MagentaFairy, Josh Sebastian, vaculatestar, Sev, Consular, Seven Deaths, NES, or Fuzzy. Nope.

[North East Somerset]

The suggestion that imperialism was a contributive factor to the inactivity in Lazarus is in part based upon the facts that the longest delegacy in our history was headed by someone who gave more time to The New Inquisition than to Lazarus, and that the culture of letting Lazarus decay while building other regions considerably was unfair and unhealthy. For all the supposed care that you have/had for Lazarus, NES, why is it that you never put the work you put into independent UCR's into Lazarus?

I didn't put all the work into Lazarus that I put into Independent UCR's because I was a member of Lazarus' Government for about two months. I have served in independent UCR's in countless Governmental positions for many years. The two are totally incomparable, and I never suggested they were comparable.

Maybe you need to ask DYP or Chittowa, or other people that voted for Griffin as Delegate of Lazarus - if they voted an Imperialist into power in Lazarus. Nobody -ever- suggested Griffin was acting in the interests of anywhere other than Lazarus during her tenure, least of all her stalwart Defender supporters. Indeed until you started your re-write of Lazarus history, no one ever even used the term "Imperialist" in reference to Griffin.

Once again, you weren't there - and you know nothing about the history of Lazarus. You turned up towards the beginning of 2013 along with some other NPO cronies like Karpathos, on the request of Feux, and instigated a takeover and coup of the region's legitimate Constitution.

Unfortunately NPO was so chronically inactive that it couldn't take long-term care of Lazarus, so you decided to sell Lazarus off to the defender camp. And so after all, all NPO achieved by any measure was handing Lazarus to the FRA on a plate. And letting you buy the Chancellorship for yourself in return. How pathetic considering all their Francoist rhetoric about protecting the sovereignty of GCRs!

1.5 million posts in four years isn't too shocking for six regions, let alone in that amount of time. Divide 1.5 million number by 6 -- the number of regions you're counting for -- and you reach 250,000, or the number of posts per region per four years. Divide that number by 365, the number of days in a year, and you reach 666 as the number of posts per region per every four days. And dividing that by four gives you 166 posts per day as an average among all six regions, which is certainly comparable to the typical defender region.

This is a fairly weak attempt to grasp some basic mathematical realities. That reality is that you simply can't name six defender regions which have made 250,000 posts each, or 166 posts a day for 4 years - or any other division or multiple of the base statistic I gave.

Defender regions, and particularly member regions of the FRA, simply do not generate the same level of activity nor enjoy the same longevity as independent or imperialist regions have done in NS over the past 10 years.

I excluded 10KI because they are very different to the average FRAesque style of defender region which you represent, and for you to take credit for 10KI's success with your totally different style of Gameplay would be laughable.

[Todd McCloud]

I'm next expecting to hear, with that kind of language, that Todd is an Empire plant bent on destroying TEP from the inside.

Nuts, there goes my cover. Six years of work down the drain.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Are we really comparing epeens using forum stats?

[Nierr]

Are we really comparing epeens using forum stats?

How is it that in over three pages of posts, Glen-Rhodes is the one talking the most sense.

McM, why doesn't your reasoning about Sentimental Journey apply to Raven, who was also involved in that disgrace.

Rach, stop trying to move the goalposts. Your chicanery isn't working. Also learn what a strawman is. Please. I'm begging you.

Milo, yarp. Moving on.

Unibot, stop cackling in the background as this thread blows the fuck up. I can see you.

[Solorni]

Well, I'm glad she put in all that effort to keep her main nation there as she pranced around with the UDL. Too bad Lazarus couldn't have her activity and her main nation

Yes, because she didn't return to activity shortly thereafter or keep her main nation in her home region.

God forbid someone take a break or try something new on NS, right? Certainly no one in Balder has ever done that before, and certainly that invalidates a region being your home.

And surely no one in Balder is or ever has been involved with any military on the side... like Christopher Bishop, OnderKelkia, North East Somerset, Raxion, Riket, MagentaFairy, Josh Sebastian, vaculatestar, Sev, Consular, Seven Deaths, NES, or Fuzzy. Nope.

What? We were discussing delegates treating Lazarus like a stepping stone. Only NES out of those you listed is or has been a delegate in Balder. Just saying, it's pretty weird that nearly everyone who has been delegate of Lazarus treats it like it's filled with rats and use it as a stepping stone. Harmoneia is one of the easiest examples there is of someone who used the region as a stepping stone and did not care an iota about it. She did not even bother to get active there during her time in the UDL. I find that utterly bizarre.

But I guess if I keep they keep their main nation somewhere, it's okay. With leaders like that, it's no wonder Lazarus was such a success. God forbid someone not hightail it as quickly as they can out of there.

I realize it's easy to hate Balder with it's leadership that have remained dedicated to the region. It's horrible I know.

[Milograd]

You're not going to convince anyone that Harmoneia doesn't care about Lazarus.

Just saying, it's pretty weird that nearly everyone who has been delegate of Lazarus treats it like it's filled with rats and use it as a stepping stone.

Are you still beating this dead horse? Still?


The Life and Times of Rachel Anumia, Part I

[North East Somerset]

Yes, because she didn't return to activity shortly thereafter or keep her main nation in her home region.

God forbid someone take a break or try something new on NS, right? Certainly no one in Balder has ever done that before, and certainly that invalidates a region being your home.

And surely no one in Balder is or ever has been involved with any military on the side... like Christopher Bishop, OnderKelkia, North East Somerset, Raxion, Riket, MagentaFairy, Josh Sebastian, vaculatestar, Sev, Consular, Seven Deaths, NES, or Fuzzy. Nope.

What? We were discussing delegates treating Lazarus like a stepping stone. Only NES out of those you listed is or has been a delegate in Balder. Just saying, it's pretty weird that nearly everyone who has been delegate of Lazarus treats it like it's filled with rats and use it as a stepping stone. Harmoneia is one of the easiest examples there is of someone who used the region as a stepping stone and did not care an iota about it. She did not even bother to get active there during her time in the UDL. I find that utterly bizarre.

But I guess if I keep they keep their main nation somewhere, it's okay. With leaders like that, it's no wonder Lazarus was such a success. God forbid someone not hightail it as quickly as they can out of there.

I realize it's easy to hate Balder with it's leadership that have remained dedicated to the region. It's horrible I know.

Zander, By Night, Charles Cerebella, Rach, North East Somerset - all the Balder Delegates for the past 2.5 years, look where their WA's are now.

Oh... yeah, Balder.

Feux? Milograd? Kazmr? ... Oh, I see Feux has been promoted to the Security Council of the NPO for his excellent work in helping hand Lazarus to the FRA. Congratulations!

[Nierr]

Zander, By Night, Charles Cerebella, Rach, North East Somerset - all the Balder Delegates for the past 2.5 years, look where their WA's are now.

Where was his WA a week ago?

[Milograd]

Feux? Milograd? Kazmr? ... Oh, I see Feux has been promoted to the Security Council of the NPO for his excellent work in helping hand Lazarus to the FRA. Congratulations!

Where is Harmoneia's WA and main? With us.

Where is DYP's WA and main? With us.

Where is my WA and main? With us.

Kazmr is still delegate.

You're not very good at this.

[Solorni]

You're not going to convince anyone that Harmoneia doesn't care about Lazarus.

Just saying, it's pretty weird that nearly everyone who has been delegate of Lazarus treats it like it's filled with rats and use it as a stepping stone.

Are you still beating this dead horse? Still?


The Life and Times of Rachel Anumia, Part I

FRA method of debating

[Kogvuron]

Our? Your nation is in TRR and your flag is the TRR flag. Or are you a Lazarene this week too?

Kogvuron II is mine. There's this new thing called dual-citizenship, I am sure you have heard of it. The fact that I am posting on my nation in TRR really only has to do with which nation I happen to be logged into.

[Solorni]

Our? Your nation is in TRR and your flag is the TRR flag. Or are you a Lazarene this week too?

Kogvuron II is mine. There's this new thing called dual-citizenship, I am sure you have heard of it. The fact that I am posting on my nation in TRR really only has to do with which nation I happen to be logged into.

Just thought it sounded odd.

[Karputsk]

You're not going to convince anyone that Harmoneia doesn't care about Lazarus.


Are you still beating this dead horse? Still?

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The Life and Times of Rachel Anumia, Part I

FRA method of debating

If you're going to make ridiculous sweeping statements about several Lazarenes and their commitment to their region then you shouldn't expect any better. Loving the irony too.

[Milograd]

Our? Your nation is in TRR and your flag is the TRR flag. Or are you a Lazarene this week too?

Kogvuron II is mine. There's this new thing called dual-citizenship, I am sure you have heard of it. The fact that I am posting on my nation in TRR really only has to do with which nation I happen to be logged into.

She just thinks she's sly, and that no one will notice the hypocrisy in her statement, just as she's doing here. But she, a former Balderan delegate, of all people should understand cross-citizenship.

You're not going to convince anyone that Harmoneia doesn't care about Lazarus.


Are you still beating this dead horse? Still?

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The Life and Times of Rachel Anumia, Part I

FRA method of debating

So you want a quality discussion? Glad to hear it.

Here is, for the eighth time, an explanation as to why your claim makes no sense. Using your own argumentative line, of the five more recent Lazarene delegates, Harmoneia, DYP, Milograd, Kazmr, and Feux, four of them have their main nation residing in Lazarus, along with their WA (if it is not participating in regional army missions). I am using your defense of Balder as a defense of Lazarus, and you have proven yourself incapable of creating a response of any substance that invalidates that fact without portraying yourself as a hypocrite.

But coming from someone whose "contributions" to this forum have been byte-sized news/spam, and whose contributions to their region are best remembered as being adorable shitposts (though still more inspired than NES' politicking), I can't say that I'm surprised by your inability to be a player with a capacity to contribute in any way greater than glorified garbage.

[Solorni]

FRA method of debating

If you're going to make ridiculous sweeping statements about several Lazarenes and their commitment to their region then you shouldn't expect any better. Loving the irony too.

I don't expect any better than Lazarus though. They've always performed right where I've expected them to

Here is, for the eighth time, an explanation as to why your claim makes no sense. Using your own argumentative line, of the five more recent Lazarene delegates, Harmoneia, DYP, Milograd, Kazmr, and Feux, four of them have their main nation residing in Lazarus, along with their WA (if it is not participating in regional army missions). I am using your defense of Balder as a defense of Lazarus, and you have proven yourself incapable of creating a response of any substance that invalidates that fact without portraying yourself as a hypocrite.

But that hasn't been my own argumentative line. My point was that members such as yourself, Feux & Harmoneia have used Lazarus as a stepping as evidenced by how quickly you've moved on to bigger and better things. Anyone can keep their main nation in a region, that argument has only been used by you as some sort of paper shield. It's amusing.

In all honesty, you guys are lucky that Harmoneia doesn't treat Lazarus like a home. Remember last time she was delegate?

But coming from someone whose "contributions" to this forum have been byte-sized news/spam, and whose contributions to their region are best remembered as being adorable shitposts (though still more inspired than NES' politicking), I can't say that I'm surprised by your inability to be a player with a capacity to contribute in any way greater than glorified garbage.

Aww, now this sounds more like how FRA Arch-Chancellors talk. I'll admit that you do follow the usual path. Player comes from region that just isn't that great and wants more from their NS careers. I totally get it, I spent time in some FRA regions. Those are scary places to be, it's not wonder their players look outside for opportunities and the chance to get out of there.

The thing I love though, is that you complain about how I said that Lazarus was purged and how I slandered the region and here you are swearing as well as spewing out bile on top of slandering Balder constantly. You don't see me moaning by asking for apologies. Double standard much? But I would like to ask that you control yourself. We can have a respectful debate.

[North East Somerset]

But coming from someone whose "contributions" to this forum have been byte-sized news/spam, and whose contributions to their region are best remembered as being adorable shitposts (though still more inspired than NES' politicking), I can't say that I'm surprised by your inability to be a player with a capacity to contribute in any way greater than glorified garbage.

How am I not inspiring? I've inspired a lot of hostility, ill will, contempt and general hatred over the years... and you can never take that away from me.

You underestimate the pow-ah of the dark side... #evilNES

[Drop Your Pants]

We were discussing delegates treating Lazarus like a stepping stone

Laz has always been more of an end goal for me than a stepping stone. I don't want to go anywhere else after being there