The Rejected Times

[Sedgistan]

Griefing is horribly misleading though.

The FAQs use the definition: "Griefing is playing with the primary aim of annoying or upsetting other people." The moderator team may no longer apply that to invasions, but many players still consider invasion with the intent of region destruction to fit that definition perfectly. I don't see a problem with them continuing to use the term in that way, if that's what they believe.

[Unibot III]

Huge victory for Slavia!

[Nullarni]

Congratulations! I am sorry I didn't have the opportunity to be part of it. Freedom for Slavia!

[Karland]

Defenders came from UDL, LLA, Wintermoot, RRA , Mordor and FRA, of course to support Dyr Nasad.

Anyone else find the idea of defenders 'coming from' Wintermoot slightly disconcerting?

[South Pacific Belschaft]

I disagree with the Chief Justice that so long as people are allowed to stay on the forums and remain as residents, Freedom of Expression is upheld - even if they are punished for their expression by being removed from citizenship and subsequently disenfranchised.

That's a huge error of reasoning and will carry a terrible precedent.

*coughs* I guess Douria was right in that GCRs are all dictatorships.

Not Really. Unibot is merely talking out of his arse, having decided that his membership of UDL somehow constitutes expression. The Chief Justice merely and entirely sensibly rejected this absurd claim and ruled that Article 9 did not breach freedom of expression because it does not in anyway relate to, effect or otherwise infringe on expression. Association is not expression, no matter how much Unibot insists.

[Cephal Talleyrand]

Last night, an imperialist occupation in Slavia ended after forty-eight days – with Slavia’s natives removed from the region, Onderkelkia banned and ejected his own troops to attempt a “refound” (emptying the region to become the new regional founder).

You state that 'Onderkelkia banned and ejected his own troops to attempt a “refound”'.

First, I was not in control of the Slavia point nation (and have not been at any point) - indeed, I was not present on the update where this happened.

Second, the nations concerned were not 'banned and ejected', they were merely ejected: there is a distinction, yet you state the former.

I trust these factually inaccurate statements, the latest in a catalogue of errors by this outlet, will be promptly retracted.

The statements relating to Emperor Onder were grossly inaccurate. Unibot is twisting facts to slander him while pushing Defender propaganda on the subject.

[Karputsk]

Defenders came from UDL, LLA, Wintermoot, RRA , Mordor and FRA, of course to support Dyr Nasad.

Anyone else find the idea of defenders 'coming from' Wintermoot slightly disconcerting?

I'm sure Wintermoot loves it.

[PrussianEmpire]

Slavia has been liberated from dirty imperialist rule! Huzzah!

[Malgrave]

Great to see Slavia liberated from its oppressors.

[Frattastan II]

Forty-eight days, wasted.

[Virana]

Didn't have the opportunity to participate in the Slavia liberation, but congrats to all who took part!

[Whiskum]

Forty-eight days, wasted.

Forty-eight days dedicated to occupying an FRA region are never wasted, quite the contrary.

Our operations are hardly centred around refounding: prior to this event, we made no refound attempts since TNIAF's success in Concosia in 2011.

Evidently, that is not how we measure success.

It would have been nice to have refounded the region, but inevitably such operations can always be intercepted (as the UDL found out in Concosia, for instance) by units moving in before the conclusion or the refound being taken over, but the occupation was substantial enough a victory in itself.

Given the factual errors, TRR Media is evidently over-excited about this incident, but I am sure underneath you actually understand that a refound was always a longshot and that a 48-day occupation is in itself a very significant achievement.

[Frattastan II]

Oh, congrats on your victory then.

[Suchasmallthing]

In Other words:

Trash news.

The wasteland has been re-opened to the public, private contractors having exhausted every ressource available.
For the hundred next years the newly un-banished residents will live among nuclear dumps and mutated squirrels.

May they find a way to re-establish some kind of living habitat, chances are the region will become once again a lucrative venture.

[Coraxion]

Yeah. This also measure quite well current Fenda-potential: We got answer how long it takes to organize successful liberation by them in Defenderdom's current state of Decay! Congratz!

(::) to Fratt for celebrating The Happy day!

[North East Somerset]

Re-founding is always a lottery. Even more so in the circumstances.

UIAF had finalised an agreement with the Slavia government to hand it back, and that would have been the easier victory. But we adjudged to go for the refounding anyway. Apparently an incorrect judgement, and I take my share of the responsibility for that. Although one failure doesn't necessarily mean the odds were completely stacked against it, but nonetheless, I think we were perhaps overly optimistic about them.

It's not 48 days wasted though. It was a 48 day occupation that could well have ended in total annihilation. Even without that outcome, UIAF proved it has perseverance, patience and power to cause real damage. That is what it's defender enemies fear most. Tag raids are just annoying, but what UIAF almost did in Slavia apparently kept defender updaters around at it's update for weeks according to the article.

Ultimately, Slavia was cleared out and occupied for 48 days. Bar refounding, which like I said is always problematic, you can't make a much clearer statement on what FRA membership means to your regions security than that.

[Xoriet]

Nice catch, FRA. And congratulations, Slavia!

[Wintermoot]

Anyone else find the idea of defenders 'coming from' Wintermoot slightly disconcerting?

I'm sure Wintermoot loves it.

I've been *ahem* busy.

Seriously, this was very exciting news when I heard it last night. Being a FRA member region at the time of invasion (in the opinion of everyone except Slavia) with a decent community, this was a high-profile target which the UIAF committed many resources to and seemed likely to keep permanently.

Ultimately, the interception was brilliant, I'm very glad to hear the region has been recovered, and I hope that it can be securely returned to native hands in the future.

[PrussianEmpire]

Defenderism good. Imperialism baaaaaaaaahhhdd

[Cerian Quilor]

Imperialism much better than defenderism.

[Mahaj]

Hooray for Slavia!

[Charax]

Unibot and TSR are hardly typical of mordern defenderism, as vocal a minority as they represent.

Oh I completely agree. Most defenders I meet now adays don't sneer at me because I raid. =P I used to count you and Horse as my favorite defenders because you guys just have fun.

[Cormacville]

The FAQs use the definition: "Griefing is playing with the primary aim of annoying or upsetting other people." The moderator team may no longer apply that to invasions, but many players still consider invasion with the intent of region destruction to fit that definition perfectly. I don't see a problem with them continuing to use the term in that way, if that's what they believe.

Excellent. I will feel free to run around accusing people of trolling as often as I'd like, then, since that's what I believe. Oh wait:

--Trollnaming is a post made only to call out a player suspected of trolling. This can also be considered flaming. Report trolls in Moderation. Don't name them in-thread, and if found, do not feed.

On a separate note, it's unfortunate but unsurprising to see that even with increased oversight by the Delegate, The Rejected Times continues to be used as a vessel of inaccurate defender propaganda. I do enjoy defenders' apparent belief that failure to liberate a region for 48 days and merely moving one nation in after the Security Council has done your work for you constitutes some kind of victory. Keep the laughs coming, guys.

[Milograd]

I'm glad to see Slavia freed.

Now, as for the imperialist responses, I laughed really hard. Thanks for that.

Saying that this is a success for the UIAF is like the guy who missed the second foul shot in basketball saying that he was trying to get his teammate to rebound it and make the shot; you're glorifying a humiliating loss, covering your own ass, and trying to convince yourself that something embarrassing has some redeeming qualities. The FRA messed up in letting you guys take the region in the first place, yes, but this operation was as impressive as its conclusion on your part: not at all, largely. You took a low-endorsement region, piled it sky-high and bored GP to death for a good month, and then failed to close out what would've been a propaganda piece for the ages.

Like, really? This is but the most recent example of imperialists pretending to portray their shortcomings and negative qualities as something they aren't. You held a region with pilers and failed to capitalize in making the big statement -- I'm sure we would've been bombarded with announcements of your "great victory" and statement on the failure of the FRA had this refound been successful. You wanted it to be successful and it wasn't successful. You failed, and everyone knows it. You do too, hopefully. It's not too different than when you held TRR for merely a day "out of mercy to TRR", when anyone with eyes could see that your true reason was ... that you weren't strong enough to hold it any longer

Now, your surfeited imperialist rhetoric aside, it's nice to see that you failed to destroy a community's region. I don't care how or why you try to justify attacking a community, but your posts in this thread that refer to tormenting a group of players for 48 days by taking their region hostage as something to be proud of is telling of your nature. But of course, with it being a habit for imperialists to make losses into victories and assaults into charity, I'm sure you'll tell us all how it is okay to try to destroy a region because it chose to be friendly with a group of nations that try to prevent ... you and your ilk from destroying regions likes theirs.

[Cormacville]

A strong, morally sound statement from the guy who indiscriminately banjected thousands of newly founded nations for the lulz, tossing them into a hostile situation and leaving them confused the minute they started the game, after betraying the trust of the community that elected him Delegate. Before making a monumental mistake and being defeated, then claiming that he meant to do that. All less than one year ago.

And they say I'm the only flip-flopper.