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Mahaj
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Postby Mahaj » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:21 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:I was there Unibot. You can make shit up all you want - it doesn't change the nature of reality.

You ought to listen to what you say.

And the Holocaust memorial was/is a virtual region in a game. By the very nature of a game, things aren't to be taken as seriously as you do - such as this case.

Does it matter? If I set up a Holocaust memorial in my backyard, do I have to get it registered with the Organization of Holocaust Memorials? No, I don't, its a Holocaust memorial because I decide to treat it as one. The exact same thing happens for this region. It is a memorial because the creators wanted it to be one. You could respect that, instead of showing a lack of respect to Holocaust victims.



You say its not classy, I say its Raiders being raiders.

"You say its not classy, I say its classless people being classless."

It was not honoring anyone who died during the holocaust - we have REAL memorials for that. Just as Antifa doesn't honor the people who have died fighting fascism, a region that calls itself 'holocaust memorial' isn't a memorial. Naming something doesn't make it so.

What makes a memorial a memorial? When its treated as one, and intended to be one by the creators. Doesn't matter how "legitimate" or not you think it is.

I mean, you can call yourself an inteligence, reasoned human being. You are only one of those three things.[/quote]
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Postby Unibot III » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:50 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:I was there Unibot.


Then you weren't looking hard enough. That doesn't change the fact that it happened.

You say its not classy, I say its Raiders being raiders.


I would say it was raiders being a lot more than just "raiders". *coughs*

a region that calls itself 'holocaust memorial' isn't a memorial. Naming something doesn't make it so.


I don't follow this logic. If something is called a holocaust memorial, that's a fairly good reason to presume that the founder intended it to be a holocaust memorial -- and a bunch of raiders spit on that and disrespected it.

I mean, you can call yourself an inteligence, reasoned human being. You are only one of those three things.


Those are four qualities: reasoned, human, being and a spelling mistake of a noun intended to be an adjective. Get it together man!
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:57 pm

The creator of the Holocaust Memorial region can call it that all she/he/it wants, until they're blue in the face. It doesn't make it a Holocaust Memorial.

I read the RMB daily, deliberately going back to look at the posts that had been knocked off the main page because it was so entertaining. What you say was there wasn't there. Again, You can say it existed all you want, but it remains untrue.
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Postby Unibot III » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:02 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:I read the RMB daily, deliberately going back to look at the posts that had been knocked off the main page because it was so entertaining. What you say was there wasn't there. Again, You can say it existed all you want, but it remains untrue.


I saw it with my own eyes, dude. You're not going to convince me I didn't see at least two Black Riders going off on an inappropriate set of racial slurs at the natives. Everyone in #udl at the time, did.
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Postby Mahaj » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:05 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:The creator of the Holocaust Memorial region can call it that all she/he/it wants, until they're blue in the face. It doesn't make it a Holocaust Memorial.

I read the RMB daily, deliberately going back to look at the posts that had been knocked off the main page because it was so entertaining. What you say was there wasn't there. Again, You can say it existed all you want, but it remains untrue.

Cerian, please stop trying to hide your prejudices.

We all saw them.
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Postby Milograd » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:44 pm

Southern Bellz wrote:LOL AMOM how does it feel to report to Unibot? :rofl:

Heh. :p

Unibot III wrote:When I promoted Cf. Lt. Solm, people's reactions were "Solm? Who?", but I can't imagine anyone else being my second-in-command now and regions are constantly bidding for his technical assistance.

I might not be remembering this clearly, but didn't I suggest Solm as my replacement?

Mahaj wrote:"You say its not classy, I say its classless people being classless.

I feel like it's worth remembering that, generally speaking, a player's in-game actions don't reflect the quality of the player's RL character.

Cerian Quilor wrote:The creator of the Holocaust Memorial region can call it that all she/he/it wants, until they're blue in the face. It doesn't make it a Holocaust Memorial.

That's not much of an argument. What aspect of HM disqualifies it from being a memorial?

I don't agree with the sentiment that the invasion of HM was a great disservice to victims of the Holocaust, but I don't see how the region isn't a memorial. Memorials serve as remembrances of people or events, and if something exists to commemorate an event or person, it can be considered a memorial regardless of its size, notoriety, and appearance.

Cerian Quilor wrote:I mean, you can call yourself an inteligence, reasoned human being. You are only one of those three things.

Indeed, and, to be honest, I don't think that this statement would resonate with me as much as it does if it were written in any other form. You are truly a master of using ethos to great effect, Cerian. Don't let yourself ever forget that.
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:02 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:I mean, you can call yourself an inteligence, reasoned human being. You are only one of those three things.

Cut it out.

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Postby Unibot III » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:13 pm

Unibot III wrote:When I promoted Cf. Lt. Solm, people's reactions were "Solm? Who?", but I can't imagine anyone else being my second-in-command now and regions are constantly bidding for his technical assistance.

I might not be remembering this clearly, but didn't I suggest Solm as my replacement?


You did! But I had Solm in mind for Cf. Lt. before you brought him up. You had already told me a week before that you were considering leaving, so I had to start coming up with ideas for new appointments then. Your approval was def. confirmation for me.
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Postby Eldarion Telcontar » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:28 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:I mean, you can call yourself an inteligence, reasoned human being. You are only one of those three things.

This doesn't make any sense and destorys the insult because you're insulting him for being stupid while using incorrect grammar/spelling.
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Postby Tramiar » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:48 pm

Mahaj wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:The creator of the Holocaust Memorial region can call it that all she/he/it wants, until they're blue in the face. It doesn't make it a Holocaust Memorial.

I read the RMB daily, deliberately going back to look at the posts that had been knocked off the main page because it was so entertaining. What you say was there wasn't there. Again, You can say it existed all you want, but it remains untrue.

Cerian, please stop trying to hide your prejudices.

What exactly is he prejudiced against? Jews, because he doesn't agree with you that raiding a "holocaust memorial" region is bad? If so, I am obviously prejudiced against oceans. Stupid giant bodies of salt water. Not to mention capitalists, Christians, atheists, Muslims, and... well, a ridiculous amount of things. :roll:
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THE BLACK RIDERS RIDDEN OUT OF TOWN

Postby Press Secretary » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:24 am

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THE BLACK RIDERS RIDDEN OUT OF TOWN!
22 January 2013


Good news for native communities all around. In the past few weeks, we've seen several key decisive victories for The United Defenders League against The Black Riders. The first came this weekend when The United Defenders League liberated RORMs against The Black Riders, with the help of The South Pacific Army, Right to Life Army, Coalition of Catholic States, Medjai Guard, The Founderless Regions Alliance and The North Pacific Army in a 30-22 victory. The celebrations began with Chief Unibot and Lieutenant Earth kicking off their "world tour" of NationStates in RORMs. "Since we just help liberate RORMs," explained the Chief, "I think this we'll be a fine place to start the tour!" Lieutenant Earth agreed, "liberating was fun tonight, and it's always lovely to see a region back in the natives' hands".

In the region of Ether, The Black Riders suffered a devastating loss after finishing a fifty-two day occupation last night in failure. While attempting to destroy the oppressed region, The Greenwood Band was able to intercept the malicious refound. Lieutenant Earth jumped up for joy as she was victorious with the refound and remarked that she had forgotten how much fun it was to refound. A transferring of the new founder account to its rightful owners is pending a response from natives. Finally, to end the night off, The United Defenders League* was able to defeat The Black Riders in several regions during their usual tag-raids (i.e., The Forgotten Villages, LalaLand, and The Galaxy) and forced The Black Riders to move too early to invade six other target-regions.

It's been a rough week for the horsemen in black, but I suspect native communities don't mind that one bit.

- Staff Reporter, The Sherwood Post.

* With assistance from Azerzia of Social Liberal Union. Thanks!

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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:54 am

I was staking Ether out but was busy last update, else I'd have happily nailed it from both of you. It should naturally be returned to Glass Gallows.

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Postby A Million Voices » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:50 am

You foolish mortals will not be so cocky once I kidnap your graphics team and lock them in my basement.
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Postby Unibot III » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:02 am

A Million Voices wrote:You foolish mortals will not be so cocky once I kidnap your graphics team and lock them in my basement.


Are you sure you want me in your basement? :P
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Postby Charles Cerebella » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:28 am

I wouldn't be surprised :blink:


:p



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Postby Galiantus II » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:05 am

In the region of Ether, The Black Riders suffered a devastating loss after finishing a fifty-two day occupation last night in failure. A transferring of the new founder account to its rightful owners is pending a response from natives.


Give it to Claraoculos. Not only has he spent more time in Ether than I ever did, but he seems to care for the region more than myself or [region=Glass Gallows] do.
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Postby Unibot III » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:05 am

Galiantus II wrote:
In the region of Ether, The Black Riders suffered a devastating loss after finishing a fifty-two day occupation last night in failure. A transferring of the new founder account to its rightful owners is pending a response from natives.


Give it to Claraoculos. Not only has he spent more time in Ether than I ever did, but he seems to care for the region more than myself or [region=Glass Gallows] do.


If you could confirm this with Glass Gallows that would be great.
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Postby Eist » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:32 am

Good to hear that the Ether mission came to nothing and, also, that now that it has a founder it won't be targeted several times a week as perhaps the first updating founderless region. Great job, UDL; you guys were quick!
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Postby Solorni » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:39 am

Eist wrote: that now that it has a founder it won't be targeted several times a week as perhaps the first updating founderless region.

I wonder which region the UDL have now consigned to that fate :P
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Postby Unibot III » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:14 am

Eist wrote:Good to hear that the Ether mission came to nothing and, also, that now that it has a founder it won't be targeted several times a week as perhaps the first updating founderless region. Great job, UDL; you guys were quick!


Thanks Eist. :)

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Thanks for the congratulations. ^-^
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Postby Lyanna Stark » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:13 pm

Eist wrote:Good to hear that the Ether mission came to nothing and, also, that now that it has a founder it won't be targeted several times a week as perhaps the first updating founderless region. Great job, UDL; you guys were quick!

Woot! :D And thank you very much. ^^

No idea on what is first now, but I guess we'll be finding out. :)
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:46 pm

Tramiar wrote:
Mahaj wrote:Cerian, please stop trying to hide your prejudices.

What exactly is he prejudiced against? Jews, because he doesn't agree with you that raiding a "holocaust memorial" region is bad? If so, I am obviously prejudiced against oceans. Stupid giant bodies of salt water. Not to mention capitalists, Christians, atheists, Muslims, and... well, a ridiculous amount of things. :roll:

I wasn't even hiding any prejudice. I assume he meant something about my raider prejudices, which I've never been anything but up front about.

Now, if he's saying I'm anti-semite, I'm going to have to ask him to show me his AIPAC membership card, because they're the only ones allowed to call people anti-semities. :P
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Postby Press Secretary » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:23 am

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IT'S BEEN A HARD DAY'S NIGHT!
27 January 2013


Koth wrote:Oh I missed Uni's ability to move before half our troops


Chief Unibot certainly missed you as well Koth. During update, as the merrymen began to get tired, Chief Unibot put the Greenwood Band's jukebox on to play the album, A Hard Day's Night to cheer up the troops. You know it really has been a Hard Day's Night and I've been working like a dog, I probably should be sleeping like log. But instead, this lonely Staff Reporter is working hard to share with you the grand news. The United Defenders League was, through, sheer will and agility, able to defend Tea Party Conservatives, Amazon Federation, Kingdom of Ireland, Raven Feathers and The Nightmare Realms from The Black Somethings.

Two star performers during Update were Lieutenant Earth and Chief of Foreign Affairs New Bazlantis. Earth managed to defend Amazon Federation and also snagged the delegacy of The Nightmare Realms to defend that region. While New Bazlantis, who is relatively new to defending, grabbed two delegacies and had the pleasure of sending a few invaders to Kandy's BBQ for the first time. Meanwhile in Democratic Socialist Assembly, Chief Unibot and Lieutenant Earth have continued their World Tour of NationStates. Rock on everybody and remember: In the end, the love you make is equal to the love that, erm, shit, I always get that backwards.

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Postby Ambroscus Koth » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:28 am

You dick :P

Also, looks like both of our orgs were breaking in some new cannon fodder...err...troops. Welcome back to the old grind 8)
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Postby Tramiar » Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:30 am

Isn't this the part where Earth comes in to question the motives of someone not using their main? :p
Mallorea and Riva wrote:I too would ban myself if I saw me moving into my region.

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