The United Defenders League

[McMasterdonia]

What non-raider regions massively distrust 10ki? O_o

I am interested to see how TSP responds to a udl treaty proposal.

[Cormac A Stark]

What non-raider regions massively distrust 10ki? O_o

I am interested to see how TSP responds to a udl treaty proposal.

I no longer speak for Osiris, but when I was Pharaoh of Osiris I had no interest in relations with 10000 Islands when they refused, without providing any reason at all, to assist in the liberation of Osiris during the Imperium Coup -- even despite their pivotal role in the establishment of the Kemetic Republic. I would imagine some in The North Pacific with good memories also have trust issues with 10000 Islands after they refused to assist in liberating the region against Durk, declaring it an internal matter, but perhaps Blue Wolf can speak more to that.

Essentially, unless you are a defender region or a neutral region that has no military activity at all outside Warzones there is no reason to have relations with 10000 Islands because they will not deal with your region in good faith. This is becoming increasingly true of the other defender regions and organizations as well, including The UDL, as they revert to a political extremism that belongs in an earlier era even while being tactically absent from gameplay.

[Benevolent Thomas]

Do you really have any right to talk about trust Cormac? I don't think there are that many people, if any at all, in this game that are less trustworthy then yourself.

[Cormac A Stark]

Do you really have any right to talk about trust Cormac? I don't think there are that many people, if any at all, in this game that are less trustworthy then yourself.

That may be so, but I'm not a region, and rather than going personal as defenders -- particularly 10000 Islands -- are so prone to doing, perhaps you would care to explain why 10000 Islands refused to assist Osiris during the Imperium Coup or TNP during Durk's coup. It seems to me that the likely answer in both cases is that you did not approve of their choice of Delegate, which should tell Feeders and Sinkers and indeed any region that values its independence all they need to know about relations with 10000 Islands.

[Mad Jack]

TITO and TITO and will do what TITO do. That is, jack shit, and whine about gameplay dying or some such shit.

This has been the case for years.

[Karputsk]

Well, judging by the way the FRA and UDL were treated both during and after the coup I would say they got it right.

[Eist]

The Osiris coups were an absolute mess; I think TITO (deciding to be neutral observers) got that one dead on.

So, Cormac thinks not being at the click of his (very trustworthy) fingers to come running guns blazing makes a group untrustworthy! That's the best laugh I've had all day so far. I hope he posts more.

[Mahaj]

including The UDL, as they revert to a political extremism that belongs in an earlier era

Er... what?

[Charax]

What non-raider regions massively distrust 10ki? O_o

I've always found that Thomas character rather shifty personally.

[The North Polish Union]

What non-raider regions massively distrust 10ki? O_o

I am interested to see how TSP responds to a udl treaty proposal.

I no longer speak for Osiris, but when I was Pharaoh of Osiris I had no interest in relations with 10000 Islands when they refused, without providing any reason at all, to assist in the liberation of Osiris during the Imperium Coup -- even despite their pivotal role in the establishment of the Kemetic Republic. I would imagine some in The North Pacific with good memories also have trust issues with 10000 Islands after they refused to assist in liberating the region against Durk, declaring it an internal matter, but perhaps Blue Wolf can speak more to that.

Essentially, unless you are a defender region or a neutral region that has no military activity at all outside Warzones there is no reason to have relations with 10000 Islands because they will not deal with your region in good faith. This is becoming increasingly true of the other defender regions and organizations as well, including The UDL, as they revert to a political extremism that belongs in an earlier era even while being tactically absent from gameplay.

Defenderism is an extremist ideology. The natural order of things is for the strong to prosper while the weak collapse. Defenderism, in its essence, tries to prevent the natural order of things from taking their course and is, therefore, immoral.

[Charax]

Defenderism is an extremist ideology. The natural order of things is for the strong to prosper while the weak collapse. Defenderism, in its essence, tries to prevent the natural order of things from taking their course and is, therefore, immoral.

It's all so clear to me now. I denounce my evil ways. Embrace me, Halcones!

[Frattastan II]

Defenderism is an extremist ideology. The natural order of things is for the strong to prosper while the weak collapse. Defenderism, in its essence, tries to prevent the natural order of things from taking their course and is, therefore, immoral.

I'm fine with being extremist, immoral and defiant of the natural order of things, however.

[Kanaia]

What non-raider regions massively distrust 10ki? O_o

I am interested to see how TSP responds to a udl treaty proposal.

I no longer speak for Osiris, but when I was Pharaoh of Osiris I had no interest in relations with 10000 Islands when they refused, without providing any reason at all, to assist in the liberation of Osiris during the Imperium Coup -- even despite their pivotal role in the establishment of the Kemetic Republic. I would imagine some in The North Pacific with good memories also have trust issues with 10000 Islands after they refused to assist in liberating the region against Durk, declaring it an internal matter, but perhaps Blue Wolf can speak more to that.

Essentially, unless you are a defender region or a neutral region that has no military activity at all outside Warzones there is no reason to have relations with 10000 Islands because they will not deal with your region in good faith. This is becoming increasingly true of the other defender regions and organizations as well, including The UDL, as they revert to a political extremism that belongs in an earlier era even while being tactically absent from gameplay.

Still not sure how that shows that 10KI is distrusted; That more demonstrates how distrustful TITO is of others.

As Eist said, Osiris was a mess. If you think you have an argument on why it would have been better if TITO was involved, I'd love to hear it.

As for TNP, Blue Wolf has a nasty habit of banning any TITO members he sees so much as passing through TNP.

[Eist]

Defenderism is an extremist ideology. The natural order of things is for the strong to prosper while the weak collapse. Defenderism, in its essence, tries to prevent the natural order of things from taking their course and is, therefore, immoral.

"Where The North Polish Union invokes Darwinian evolution while neglecting altruism, commensalism, or mutualism ".

Stick to raiding, bud.

[Silver Seas]

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[Klaus Devestatorie]

What non-raider regions massively distrust 10ki? O_o

I am interested to see how TSP responds to a udl treaty proposal.

What non-raider regions actually trust XKI?

[McMasterdonia]

What non-raider regions massively distrust 10ki? O_o

I am interested to see how TSP responds to a udl treaty proposal.

I no longer speak for Osiris, but when I was Pharaoh of Osiris I had no interest in relations with 10000 Islands when they refused, without providing any reason at all, to assist in the liberation of Osiris during the Imperium Coup -- even despite their pivotal role in the establishment of the Kemetic Republic. I would imagine some in The North Pacific with good memories also have trust issues with 10000 Islands after they refused to assist in liberating the region against Durk, declaring it an internal matter, but perhaps Blue Wolf can speak more to that.

Essentially, unless you are a defender region or a neutral region that has no military activity at all outside Warzones there is no reason to have relations with 10000 Islands because they will not deal with your region in good faith. This is becoming increasingly true of the other defender regions and organizations as well, including The UDL, as they revert to a political extremism that belongs in an earlier era even while being tactically absent from gameplay.

Not entirely true. The North Pacific had good relations with 10ki and TITO when I was Delegate. Blue Wolf took actions for a second or third time (I forget) which damaged these relations. That said, I do not think that 10KI would act against the North Pacific in a coup and I believe that they would be open to supporting us in such a situation.

I also asked 10ki for support during the Empire's coup of Osiris, which they provided and deployed in a considerable number. I approached then Field Commander Wordy and asked for her support with TSP and she was more than willing to provide. 10ki provided invaluable support to the South Pacific during Milograds coup, which I am thankful for. The moving in back in when they were ejected during the last update of Milograd's coup was particularly fun to watch especially as we could see the end was in site.

10KI has also provided support to the Pacific when a threat was made against the Delegacy.

Like any region or org, it comes down to what you have done for them to not trust you or what have they done for you not to trust them. It also is heavily reliant on the personalities involved at the time. A blanket statement about non-raider regions not trusting 10ki doesn't seem like an accurate statement to me given relatively recent events.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Take it to the TITO thread that I made Spartz make It has nothing to do with the UDL.

[SFBA wabbitslayah]

To the TITO thread!

[PrussianEmpire]

Well, judging by the way the FRA and UDL were treated both during and after the coup I would say they got it right.

I second this statement.

[The United Defenders League]

This minor DYP, Wopruthien, Horse, and Ravania teamed up and beat the TBR-tag-team by a score of 12-7, and while at it they detagged two other regions. For this excellent performance a defense-medal is issued.

[Unibot III]

This minor DYP, Wopruthien, Horse, and Ravania teamed up and beat the TBR-tag-team by a score of 12-7, and while at it they detagged two other regions. For this excellent performance a defense-medal is issued.

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Hail!

[Feux]

This minor DYP, Wopruthien, Horse, and Ravania teamed up and beat the TBR-tag-team by a score of 12-7, and while at it they detagged two other regions. For this excellent performance a defense-medal is issued.

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Hail!

Yes, hail!

[Cerian Quilor]

Congrats.

Now do it again.

[Ravania Prima]

Congrats.

Now do it again.

Thanks

Oh, this was not the first time. It just have been a while.