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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:43 pm

Cormac A Stark wrote:I still would have been a better Chief of the Band than Mahaj. Just sayin'. ;)

Eh, first principles matter. The Chief of the Band should be a committed defender and find it unthinkable to ever switch sides or adopt a more moderate position. In other words, they should be ardent believers in defenderism, and you just aren't one of those people. Until Mahaj stepped out of the sidelines, the person who most embodied that was Ravania, but unfortunately Ravania is a pariah to the GCRs and electingthem CotB would have destroyed UDL-GCR relations for quite some time.
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Postby Mad Jack » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:50 pm

Glen-Rhodes wrote:
Cormac A Stark wrote:I still would have been a better Chief of the Band than Mahaj. Just sayin'. ;)

Eh, first principles matter. The Chief of the Band should be a committed defender and find it unthinkable to ever switch sides or adopt a more moderate position. In other words, they should be ardent believers in defenderism, and you just aren't one of those people. Until Mahaj stepped out of the sidelines, the person who most embodied that was Ravania, but unfortunately Ravania is a pariah to the GCRs and electingthem CotB would have destroyed UDL-GCR relations for quite some time.

You realise Mahaj was a raider right? :P
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Postby Mahaj » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:28 pm

Mad Jack wrote:
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Eh, first principles matter. The Chief of the Band should be a committed defender and find it unthinkable to ever switch sides or adopt a more moderate position. In other words, they should be ardent believers in defenderism, and you just aren't one of those people. Until Mahaj stepped out of the sidelines, the person who most embodied that was Ravania, but unfortunately Ravania is a pariah to the GCRs and electingthem CotB would have destroyed UDL-GCR relations for quite some time.

You realise Mahaj was a raider right? :P

key word is *was*

I've realized my mistakes.

You and Cormac keep making them.

What good is a Chief of purposefully makes mistakes?
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Postby Mad Jack » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:29 pm

What mistakes are these again?

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:57 pm

Mahaj wrote:
Mad Jack wrote:You realise Mahaj was a raider right? :P

key word is *was*

I've realized my mistakes.

You and Cormac keep making them.

What good is a Chief of purposefully makes mistakes?

Raiding isn't a mistake. Its just the other side of the game.
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Postby Tlik » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:45 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Mahaj wrote:key word is *was*

I've realized my mistakes.

You and Cormac keep making them.

What good is a Chief of purposefully makes mistakes?

Raiding isn't a mistake. Its just the other side of the game.

You're wrong! You're wrong! Everyone knows all raiders are evil. You eat babies, right? That's what they always told me, at least.

:P

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:13 pm

Babies go great with ranch dressing, yes.
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Postby PrussianEmpire » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:47 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:Babies go great with ranch dressing, yes.

Personally, I think BBQ sauce works better than ranch, but hey, that's just me.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:05 am

Never been a big fan of BBQ.

Have you tried deep frying them in butter, though? Christopher tells me that makes them especially succulent.
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Postby Eist » Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:23 am

Is there not a forum somewhere else where you two can talk about your favourite dressings and condiments?
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Postby Bachtendekuppen » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:30 pm

Eist wrote:Is there not a forum somewhere else where you two can talk about your favorite dressings and condiments?

Don't be difficult, I think it's rather cozy how they are describing their favorite recipes of roasted babies.
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Postby Beta Test » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:37 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:Never been a big fan of BBQ.

Have you tried deep frying them in butter, though? Christopher tells me that makes them especially succulent.

Hello!

I'm a new defender with the UDL and I noticed this thread was interesting when I saw something was deep fried in butter.
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Postby Alyekra » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:29 pm

Tlik wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:Raiding isn't a mistake. Its just the other side of the game.

You're wrong! You're wrong! Everyone knows all raiders are evil. You eat babies, right? That's what they always told me, at least.

:P


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Postby Solm » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:42 pm

Beta Test wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:Never been a big fan of BBQ.

Have you tried deep frying them in butter, though? Christopher tells me that makes them especially succulent.

Hello!

I'm a new defender with the UDL and I noticed this thread was interesting when I saw something was deep fried in butter.


Cerian Quilor! Our newest Recruiting Officer!

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Postby Feux » Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:47 pm

Solm wrote:
Beta Test wrote:Hello!

I'm a new defender with the UDL and I noticed this thread was interesting when I saw something was deep fried in butter.


Cerian Quilor! Our newest Recruiting Officer!

:rofl:
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Postby PrussianEmpire » Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:24 pm

Feux wrote:
Solm wrote:
Cerian Quilor! Our newest Recruiting Officer!

:rofl:

In other news, the UDL is now unable to get new recruits
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Postby Anarchic Plains » Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:51 pm

PrussianEmpire wrote:
Feux wrote: :rofl:

In other news, the UDL is now unable to get new recruits

Methinks a Cerian recruited UDL may actually raid more than normal UDL. :O

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Postby Mad Jack » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:37 pm

PrussianEmpire wrote:
Feux wrote: :rofl:

In other news, the UDL is now unable to get new recruits

Well the UDL stopped training them about a year ago. Stopping recruiting altogether would just complete the process. :P
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Postby Mahaj » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:37 pm

Mad Jack wrote:
PrussianEmpire wrote:In other news, the UDL is now unable to get new recruits

Well the UDL stopped training them about a year ago. Stopping recruiting altogether would just complete the process. :P

... right.
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Postby Mad Jack » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:18 pm

Mahaj wrote:
Mad Jack wrote:Well the UDL stopped training them about a year ago. Stopping recruiting altogether would just complete the process. :P

... right.

Let's not pretend that even half of the 64 merry- masked members of the UDL ever received anything more than the most basic of training. UDL has never been good at turning recruitment into well trained active members.
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Postby Mahaj » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:20 pm

Mad Jack wrote:
Mahaj wrote:... right.

Let's not pretend that even half of the 64 merry- masked members of the UDL ever received anything more than the most basic of training. UDL has never been good at turning recruitment into well trained active members.

But we haven't "stopped training them"
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<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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Postby Mad Jack » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:20 pm

No, you never started. :P
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Postby Cormac A Stark » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:37 pm

To be fair, training was very lacking well before Mahaj took office. It was mentioned as a priority by just about every Chief of the Band candidate and, while I don't have much knowledge of what's happening internally with the UDL these days, I don't imagine it would be easy for any Chief to fix an internal culture that has been so lax about training for so long.

Pre-Mahaj UDL was very recruitment driven and much more focused on achieving untrained bulk numbers for liberations than it was on training skilled defenders. That's part of the UDL's internal culture and has been for some time, it won't be easily fixed by the still relatively new Chief if it can be fixed at all.

That said, if anyone is going to be in charge of training and see any success in that area it should probably be Ravania.
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Postby Mahaj » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:37 pm

... We literally just had a training session a week ago.
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<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
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Postby Afforess » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:38 pm

Cormac A Stark wrote:To be fair, training was very lacking well before Mahaj took office. It was mentioned as a priority by just about every Chief of the Band candidate and, while I don't have much knowledge of what's happening internally with the UDL these days, I don't imagine it would be easy for any Chief to fix an internal culture that has been so lax about training for so long.

Pre-Mahaj UDL was very recruitment driven and much more focused on achieving untrained bulk numbers for liberations than it was on training skilled defenders. That's part of the UDL's internal culture and has been for some time, it won't be easily fixed by the still relatively new Chief if it can be fixed at all.

That said, if anyone is going to be in charge of training and see any success in that area it should probably be Ravania.


As usual, to find the truth, simply take the opposite of what Cormac says.

I can verify Mahaj has been actively training new recruits. In addition, Ravania is taking a break from NS-gameplay. Cormac is wrong on both points.
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