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by **Tickles Me** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:39 am

A wonderful day for the Imperium when the supporters of coupers (Cormac) and the couper (Biyah) intentionally make things hard for themselves. This is great news.

by **Solm** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:15 pm

TAO the Wanderer wrote:Name two or three, if you would. Maybe they will see their name(s) and argue the point for you.

Just from my perspective, there are quite a few people who I would think we would have no problem as a liaison. The ones I know of are the former UDLers in Osiris, and there are quite a few, the first person who comes to mind is Neavilos who would be a perfect liaison from Osiris. Hell, Biyah himself is fine as a liaison, its the fact that he's idling in our channel doing nothing. I think, in my opinion, even him would be fine as a liaison as long as he didn't idle. But there is absolutely no need for such a blatant security risk to be allowed to idle in our private channel. But, yet again, this is all moot because Osiris refuses to even talk about something as simple as assigning a different liaison, something you would think would be so easy.

by **Corporation de Apple** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:00 pm

Solm wrote:
TAO the Wanderer wrote:Name two or three, if you would. Maybe they will see their name(s) and argue the point for you.

Just from my perspective, there are quite a few people who I would think we would have no problem as a liaison. The ones I know of are the former UDLers in Osiris, and there are quite a few, the first person who comes to mind is Neavilos who would be a perfect liaison from Osiris. Hell, Biyah himself is fine as a liaison, its the fact that he's idling in our channel doing nothing. I think, in my opinion, even him would be fine as a liaison as long as he didn't idle. But there is absolutely no need for such a blatant security risk to be allowed to idle in our private channel. But, yet again, this is all moot because Osiris refuses to even talk about something as simple as assigning a different liaison, something you would think would be so easy.

Well, I believe that that is part of the problem.
Osiris hopes to have a formal release on this soon, which I believe will answer your questions, and perhaps, just perhaps, assuage your concerns.

by **Sovreignry** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:16 pm

Corporation de Apple wrote:
Solm wrote:
Just from my perspective, there are quite a few people who I would think we would have no problem as a liaison. The ones I know of are the former UDLers in Osiris, and there are quite a few, the first person who comes to mind is Neavilos who would be a perfect liaison from Osiris. Hell, Biyah himself is fine as a liaison, its the fact that he's idling in our channel doing nothing. I think, in my opinion, even him would be fine as a liaison as long as he didn't idle. But there is absolutely no need for such a blatant security risk to be allowed to idle in our private channel. But, yet again, this is all moot because Osiris refuses to even talk about something as simple as assigning a different liaison, something you would think would be so easy.

Well, I believe that that is part of the problem.
Osiris hopes to have a formal release on this soon, which I believe will answer your questions, and perhaps, just perhaps, assuage your concerns.

Considering the tone we have seen from Osiran Officials regarding this, you'll excuse me if I'm not on the edge of my seat waiting for your release.

by **Corporation de Apple** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:16 pm

Sovreignry wrote:
Corporation de Apple wrote:Well, I believe that that is part of the problem.
Osiris hopes to have a formal release on this soon, which I believe will answer your questions, and perhaps, just perhaps, assuage your concerns.

Considering the tone we have seen from Osiran Officials regarding this, you'll excuse me if I'm not on the edge of my seat waiting for your release.

But of course. I can appreciate your qualms about this, and I, at least, am quite sorry that we've reached this point. But I stand beside my government and Biyah.

by **Sovreignry** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:56 pm

Corporation de Apple wrote:
Sovreignry wrote:
Considering the tone we have seen from Osiran Officials regarding this, you'll excuse me if I'm not on the edge of my seat waiting for your release.

But of course. I can appreciate your qualms about this, and I, at least, am quite sorry that we've reached this point. But I stand beside my government and Biyah.

Well, your government promised a statement that is the exact opposite of what you told Solm.

Edit: Now that the statement has been released, called it.

by **Dalimbar** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:10 pm

Pardon me, but our official statement has been released here: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=252362&p=15762986#p15762986. I strongly suggest the UDL take a read over that five times or more before further comment.

by **Osiris Flag Bearer (Ancient)** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:18 pm

Why is Mahaj still in Osiris?

by **Vladisvok Destino** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:38 pm

Osiris Flag Bearer wrote:Why is Mahaj still in Osiris?

Last I checked he was still a member of the Council of Ma'at (unless I missed the point where he resigned / Osiris kicked him out.)

by **Biyah** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:02 pm

Solm wrote:
TAO the Wanderer wrote:Name two or three, if you would. Maybe they will see their name(s) and argue the point for you.

Just from my perspective, there are quite a few people who I would think we would have no problem as a liaison. The ones I know of are the former UDLers in Osiris, and there are quite a few, the first person who comes to mind is Neavilos who would be a perfect liaison from Osiris. Hell, Biyah himself is fine as a liaison, its the fact that he's idling in our channel doing nothing. I think, in my opinion, even him would be fine as a liaison as long as he didn't idle. But there is absolutely no need for such a blatant security risk to be allowed to idle in our private channel. But, yet again, this is all moot because Osiris refuses to even talk about something as simple as assigning a different liaison, something you would think would be so easy.

Yeeeah.

1: Idling was never a problem before, ever.
2: Unless I'm sleeping, I'm there.
3: The possible 'security threat' you speak of would be me spilling... what, detags? The hell do I care about detags for, when there's a war on?

Some perspective would be nice.

~B

Edit: Should have read on a bit before hitting quote. I'll blame the pain killers.

We did not remove Osrian citizens who are UDL'ers, we're smart enough to tell the difference between the two, even if others are not. UDL high command has been removed from strategic planning, and the embassy closed. Mahaj is an Osiran and part of the Council of Ma'at.

by **Sovreignry** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:26 pm

Biyah wrote: Mahaj is an Osiran and part of the Council of Ma'at.

I have a weird inkling that that last part is shortly not going to be true.

by **Cormac A Stark** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:38 pm

Sovreignry wrote:I have a weird inkling that that last part is shortly not going to be true.

On the contrary, at the moment Mahaj is doing everything we could ask a Priest of Ma'at (and a Vizier of WA Affairs, as he also remains on my cabinet) to do. We're able to differentiate between his role in the UDL and his role in Osiris for as long as he is also able to do so, with no problem. We have other Osirans who are also UDL members -- like Campinia, who is a Medjai Guardsman -- and we neither ask nor expect them to leave the UDL to be active Osirans, nor hold their membership in the UDL against them in any way.

Osirans are Osirans, and any Osiran should be judged not on other affiliations but on their actions in Osiris -- as long as they themselves are able to avoid conflicts of interest. Full stop.

by **Mad Jack** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:17 am

Sovreignry wrote:
Biyah wrote: Mahaj is an Osiran and part of the Council of Ma'at.

I have a weird inkling that that last part is shortly not going to be true.

Osiris isn't in the habit of forcing people out.

Which is more than I can say for some sections of the UDL.

by **Drop Your Pants** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:47 am

Its really weird seeing George and Cormac beating on UDL again. I'd just gotten used to them beating on anti-UDL people

by **PrussianEmpire** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:48 am

Drop Your Pants wrote:Its really weird seeing George and Cormac beating on UDL again. I'd just gotten used to them beating on anti-UDL people

Its quite nice actually.

by **Eist** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:04 am

Drop Your Pants wrote:Its really weird seeing George and Cormac beating on UDL again. I'd just gotten used to them beating on anti-UDL people

They'll be back in a week or so, no doubt.

by **The North Polish Union** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:08 am

Biyah wrote: Mahaj is an Osiran and part of the Council of Ma'at.

As well as the head of the UDL, which has been thrown out of the Osiris resistance government.
Conflict of interest much? :eyebrow:

Also, I'm sure that Durk is loving that Cormac and his "legitimate" Osiran government keep making more enemies every day with their "our way or the highway" attitude. This coup should last a loooooong time...

by **Douria** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:25 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:This coup should last a loooooong time...

I keep saying that.

I mean, Cormac is in charge, it's not like people weren't warned.

by **A mean old man** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:03 pm

Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more.

by **PrussianEmpire** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:06 pm

Douria wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:This coup should last a loooooong time...

I keep saying that. I mean, Cormac is in charge, it's not like people weren't warned.

Give it another month. Gotta wait for his monthly side change.

by **The United Defenders League** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:42 pm

Dalimbar wrote:Pardon me, but our official statement has been released here: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=252362&p=15762986#p15762986. I strongly suggest the UDL take a read over that five times or more before further comment.

You can view the UDL's response here: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=15774527#p15774527

by **Dalimbar** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:06 pm

The United Defenders League wrote:
Dalimbar wrote:Pardon me, but our official statement has been released here: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=252362&p=15762986#p15762986. I strongly suggest the UDL take a read over that five times or more before further comment.

You can view the UDL's response here: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=15774527#p15774527

Read it, and you guys should hire a half decent propagandist. The current one is lacking, to say the least.

by **Todd McCloud** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:46 pm

*Winces*

Sooo... if Biyah doesn't idle in the UDL channel, Osiris could keep him as a liaison to UDL?

by **Mahaj** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:51 pm

Todd McCloud wrote:*Winces*

Sooo... if Biyah doesn't idle in the UDL channel, Osiris could keep him as a liaison to UDL?

The UDL has asked for that too.

We've been told that it is absolutely essential that Biyah idles in the UDL channel.

by **Biyah** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:30 pm

On the contrary, Idling was brought up as a reason only after I was asked to leave, when Osiris didn't bend over backwards to find you someone new and actually pushed back. About the time ya'll started scrambling for reasons to look good, more or less. It's story #2 in the continuing saga of 'Why was Biyah asked to leave?'

I think we're at three or four distinctly different stories now, btw.

And I have logs to the effect. Every talk we had, and why I was asked to leave before the diplomacy blowout. Idling was only mentioned after. And by the time it was mentioned, it was a moot point, relations were cut. So there was no talk, being told I had to idle is a straight fabrication

Come on Maj, you're better than this. I think.

~B

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