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Solorni
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Postby Solorni » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:41 pm

Unibot III wrote:
South Pacific Belschaft wrote:The irony is that UDL, and Unibot in particular, once had a GCR - Balder - under their complete control, and a justifiable basis (finders keepers/first come first served) to establish it as their home region as a fiercely defender GCR. A number of UDL members, myself included, suggested such an action - Unibot refused.


I took a pledge not to use force for a political agenda, Belschaft. We couldn't do that with Balder, we had to establish a free and open constitutional convention because that was the fairest thing to do.

Just abuse people personally and lie behind everyones back?

@Esternial: http://balderns.net/topic/7704874/1/#new

That is a link with classic Unibot quotes in Balder, at least... just the public stuff. You wouldn't believe the stuff he says privately....

@Affrontness: I'd honestly rather have nothing to do with him, but he has once again chosen to attack Balder and once again, I am compelled to defend it.
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Esternial
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Postby Esternial » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:41 pm

Afforess wrote:
Solorni wrote:Yes, let's hear this story oh learned Affrontness :)

I've posted such proof before Esternial and this is all public knowledge, posted by many people. Should try to read it one day.

You are riding on Unibot's success even now. Every insult you throw lifts you up by pushing him down.

Well, it's not lifting her up, per-se.

To me it's incredibly petty behaviour from someone who I assume is above the legal drinking age.

Then again, I will admit I'm not really immersed in Gameplay, but it might be a good idea to look at things from all perspectives other than your own.

Also, thank you, Solo.

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Mad Jack
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Postby Mad Jack » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:42 pm

Afforess wrote:Password stealing? Do you have proof? I have never stolen a password.

Sure you haven't.

Just like you don't spy on ns++ users information.

Pull the over one dear.
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Afforess
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Postby Afforess » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:44 pm

Solorni wrote:Just abuse people personally


Isn't that what you are doing now? This thread should be renamed "Pile hate on Unibot".
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Drop Your Pants
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:45 pm

Afforess wrote:You fight for power, I change the entirety of NS itself. I know who holds the cards around here. It isn't you.

Yup, its Max and the admins. They own the deck :P
Afforess wrote:Unibot is one the few sincere people here. He defends not for glory, vanity, or power. He defends because he thinks it is the right thing to do. Even if you disagree about whether defending is right or wrong, following your morals is a noteworthy and laudable action. Too few even have morals.

Anyone who defends for any other reason than enjoyment is a twit. Morals doesn't come into it. Neither does native rights (before we start on that line again).
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Afforess
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Postby Afforess » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:46 pm

Mad Jack wrote:
Afforess wrote:Password stealing? Do you have proof? I have never stolen a password.

Sure you haven't.

Just like you don't spy on ns++ users information.

Pull the over one dear.

Total user numbers? Of course I have those. I use Google Analytics. In fact, so does NationStates proper - I didn't even have to install anything. It was already there, I just added my website codes and boom, usage data. I don't see anything the glorious admins don't already see. You should inform yourself, I've never denied that I had basic usage stats.
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Mad Jack
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Postby Mad Jack » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:46 pm

Afforess wrote:You fight for power, I change the entirety of NS itself. I know who holds the cards around here. It isn't you.

Oh god this is amazing.

Are you Henry in disguise?
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Mahaj
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Postby Mahaj » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:47 pm

Solorni wrote: There is a reason why he is banned from a few regions for his deplorable personal attacks that he makes me on people

that he makes me on people

makes me on people

what?

Unibot cares nothing for regions and you sir, clearly don't know his history. Come back and talk to me once you've learned a bit Affrontness.

lol

You could at least spell his name right.
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<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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Esternial
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Postby Esternial » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:48 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:
Afforess wrote:You fight for power, I change the entirety of NS itself. I know who holds the cards around here. It isn't you.

Yup, its Max and the admins. They own the deck :P
Afforess wrote:Unibot is one the few sincere people here. He defends not for glory, vanity, or power. He defends because he thinks it is the right thing to do. Even if you disagree about whether defending is right or wrong, following your morals is a noteworthy and laudable action. Too few even have morals.

Anyone who defends for any other reason than enjoyment is a twit. Morals doesn't come into it. Neither does native rights (before we start on that line again).

Yes, I'm not a twit.

This is a huge personal victory!

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Afforess
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Postby Afforess » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:49 pm

Mahaj wrote:You could at least spell his name right.


I can only assume it's a childish way of mocking me. Either that or they are legitimately as dumb as I suspect.
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Mahaj
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Postby Mahaj » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:50 pm

Mad Jack wrote:
Afforess wrote:Password stealing? Do you have proof? I have never stolen a password.

Sure you haven't.

Just like you don't spy on ns++ users information.

Pull the over one dear.

None of that stuff that you linked has anything to do with NS++...

or stealing information...
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<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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Cerian Quilor
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:50 pm

I have no issues with Unibot personally (all the times - count them, 4, I believe) I've interacted with him directly, he's been charming and enjoyable to talk to. But I do have issues with Unibot's political platform, his moralizing, and his unwillingness to admit that he /has/ a political platform. Add to that things people whose opinions I trust far more than say, yours, have to say about the man and his conduct, and he earns dislike. There is still a difference between attacking him personally (something I and many people here have yet to do) and opposing him and his political platform.

@DYP: See, a man who fucking gets it.

Also, Afforess, really, what are you trying to do to change NS entirely? Apart from coding stuff, which is fine, we're talking about something else entirely, something you've affected no change. Your only footsteps into Gameplay have been to make an ass of yourself and be a Unibotian Apologist.

Mahaj, take out the 'ness' and you'll grasp why Rachel spells his name that way. assuming you have access to a basic dictionaly, since I assume you're unfamiliar with the term 'Affront'

Afforess, I point you to the second quote in my signature.
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Mad Jack
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Postby Mad Jack » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:50 pm

Afforess wrote:
Mahaj wrote:You could at least spell his name right.


I can only assume it's a childish way of mocking me. Either that or they are legitimately as dumb as I suspect.

Or they made a typo.

Or auto'correct' made a typo.

It happens.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:50 pm

Timeout, folks. Redtext inbound.

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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:36 pm

Now that I've gone through the past 8 or 9 pages of the thread to get today's posts...

Solorni wrote:I never said I joined a GCR for power, I'd rather have rl power thanks :P

The problem is that unibot is a blatant liar and hypocrit about it.
Solorni wrote:Come back and talk to me once you've learned a bit Affrontness.
Solorni wrote:Yes, let's hear this story oh learned Affrontness :)
Solorni wrote:@Affrontness:
This juvenile namecalling has no place here, and the repeated, clearly aggravated attempt at provocation sends you straight to a *** 1-day ban for flaming/flamebaiting. *** You can argue your position without breaking the rules, and I suggest you figure out quickly how to do so.

Afforess wrote:you just can't see through the haze of filth you live in.
I would have expected better of you. You've been warned not all that long ago for flaming, also in Gameplay. Apparently the lesson didn't take. *** Afforess, 1-day ban for flaming/flamebaiting. *** You make a useful unofficial tool that some people use, that does not put you above the site's rules.

Mad Jack wrote:You're a password stealing, information whoring code monkey.

You're not important, dear. You're a pest.
This is not the place to be making such serious allegations, certainly not dressed up along with blatant flaming. You don't like Afforess, nobody says you have to like him. But you don't get to lob such serious public accusations over it. If you have reason to believe that there is password theft going on, the proper place to file it is the Getting Help page. And you have a *** 3-day ban for flaming/flamebaiting *** in which to submit one.

As for the rest of the thread, I get it. Gameplay matters tend to get people heated. DON'T let a game get you so worked up that we have to go and start smacking folks with the banhammer over it. The sort of nasty emphasized above IS NOT OKAY, whether you're a raider, a defender, a native, and so on. Rules still apply, so knock off the nasty before mods have to knock some more heads.

Thread unlocked, and I will be mightily pissed if I have to come back in here again.


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Klaus Devestatorie
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:42 pm

So... how's the weather over in UDL land?
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Milograd
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Postby Milograd » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:43 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:So... how's the weather over in UDL land?

Cloudy with a chance of shitstorms later tonight.
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Unibot III
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Postby Unibot III » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:44 pm

Milograd wrote:
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:So... how's the weather over in UDL land?

Cloudy with a chance of shitstorms later tonight.


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Postby Beta Test » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:48 pm

Milograd wrote:
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:So... how's the weather over in UDL land?

Cloudy with a chance of shitstorms later tonight.

Very, very well put.
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Postby Cormac A Stark » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:49 pm

Well that was a massive overreaction on the part of moderation. Maybe instead of handing out bans for minor offenses the moderators and admins should try investigating what Afforess can and can't see with NS++, since he has openly admitted he's snooping on its users and his admission even caught [violet]'s attention.

Regarding accusations from the glorified code monkey whose name no one knew before he developed his spyware: Rachel Anumia didn't ride anyone's coat tails to get her name known in Gameplay, nor did she have to practice the politics of personal destruction Unibot practices on a near daily basis to become and remain prominent.

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Postby Beta Test » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Cormac A Stark wrote:Well that was a massive overreaction on the part of moderation. Maybe instead of handing out bans for minor offenses the moderators and admins should try investigating what Afforess can and can't see with NS++, since he has openly admitted he's snooping on its users and his admission even caught [violet]'s attention.

Regarding accusations from the glorified code monkey whose name no one knew before he developed his spyware: Rachel Anumia didn't ride anyone's coat tails to get her name known in Gameplay, nor did she have to practice the politics of personal destruction Unibot practices on a near daily basis to become and remain prominent.

Let's not start this again.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:55 pm

Afforess wrote:
Mahaj wrote:You could at least spell his name right.


I can only assume it's a childish way of mocking me. Either that or they are legitimately as dumb as I suspect.

*** Warned *** for the flamebait.

I swear, you GP peeps are some of the most cantankerous crew I have to deal with. Play nice, folks. It's seriously getting old seeing all the in-game snark turning to personal attacks.

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Aglrinia
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Postby Aglrinia » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:59 pm

Cormac A Stark wrote:Well that was a massive overreaction on the part of moderation. Maybe instead of handing out bans for minor offenses the moderators and admins should try investigating what Afforess can and can't see with NS++, since he has openly admitted he's snooping on its users and his admission even caught [violet]'s attention.

Regarding accusations from the glorified code monkey whose name no one knew before he developed his spyware: Rachel Anumia didn't ride anyone's coat tails to get her name known in Gameplay, nor did she have to practice the politics of personal destruction Unibot practices on a near daily basis to become and remain prominent.


Afforess is an issue author, while if I'm correct he was the delegate of Capitalist Paradise for nearly a year. He wasn't afraid to make his opinion known within the World Assembly during that time. Just because you haven't heard of someone doesn't mean their name is known within another community in the game.
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Unibot III
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Postby Unibot III » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:02 pm

I also knew Afforess quite well before NS++. He was delegate of Capitalist Paradise for quite a while and wrote Capitalist Paradise's history and managed their forums. When we were building a UCR Foreign Affairs department in UDL, he was the guy I wanted to represent us in the Capitalist sphere of NS.
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Postby North East Somerset » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:03 pm

Unibot:
I took a pledge not to use force for a political agenda, Belschaft. We couldn't do that with Balder, we had to establish a free and open constitutional convention because that was the fairest thing to do.


Bullshit and that's what you hate so much about Balder. It's proof that we don't need to be a corrupt and moralistic cult to build an active and successful region in NationStates. For as long as there are people in NationStates ready to stand up and be counted, and vote for what they believe in, independent democracy will live on and trump your absolutist clique every time. The power lies with the citizens, Unibot. Every citizen of Balder who ever joined us is important and voted is vital to the region.

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