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Mad Jack
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Postby Mad Jack » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:17 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Again, if he wants a GCR, he needs only to reach out his hand.

I'd be interested to see the GCR that would let Unibot run it.

Warzone Sandbox.

:P
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Postby Afforess » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:21 pm

Glen-Rhodes wrote:All people who think themselves slightly important in NS Gameplay flock to GCRs at some point. It's nothing new, surprising, or sinister.


Basically all the narcissists. The rest of us who are important can watch them roll around in the dirt and ignore their childish squabbles. Good riddance.

Solorni wrote:I think the UDL would be a lot healthier if it did away with its more corrupt and politically poisoning members like Unibot. Could you imagine a UDL that simply defended? I don't understand why it always has to be this evil empire thingy.


You are the corrupt one. Unibot & the UDL proper aren't even remotely corrupt - you just can't see through the haze of filth you live in.

Solorni wrote:I never said I joined a GCR for power, I'd rather have rl power thanks :P

The problem is that unibot is a blatant liar and hypocrit about it.

Unibot is one the few sincere people here. He defends not for glory, vanity, or power. He defends because he thinks it is the right thing to do. Even if you disagree about whether defending is right or wrong, following your morals is a noteworthy and laudable action. Too few even have morals.
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Mad Jack
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Postby Mad Jack » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:22 pm

Afforess wrote:
Glen-Rhodes wrote:All people who think themselves slightly important in NS Gameplay flock to GCRs at some point. It's nothing new, surprising, or sinister.


Basically all the narcissists. The rest of us who are important can watch them roll around in the dirt and ignore their childish squabbles. Good riddance.

Lol. You think you're important.

How... cute.
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Postby Afforess » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:25 pm

Mad Jack wrote:
Afforess wrote:
Basically all the narcissists. The rest of us who are important can watch them roll around in the dirt and ignore their childish squabbles. Good riddance.

Lol. You think you're important.

How... cute.

How many new gameside features have you added to the game recently. You fight for power, I change the entirety of NS itself. I know who holds the cards around here. It isn't you.
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Postby Mad Jack » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:25 pm

Afforess wrote:
Mad Jack wrote:Lol. You think you're important.

How... cute.

How many new gameside features have you added to the game recently.

You're a password stealing, information whoring code monkey.

You're not important, dear. You're a pest.
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Milograd
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Postby Milograd » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:27 pm

Mad Jack wrote:
Afforess wrote:How many new gameside features have you added to the game recently.

You're a password stealing, information whoring code monkey.

You're not important, dear. You're a pest.

Password stealing?

Not to be "that guy", but since he is a coder for a living, that's an extremely serious accusation to lodge against him.
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Postby Luxembourg » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:27 pm

Mad Jack wrote:
Afforess wrote:How many new gameside features have you added to the game recently.

You're a password stealing, information whoring code monkey.

You're not important, dear. You're a pest.


Play nice.

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Postby Mad Jack » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:27 pm

Luxembourg wrote:
Mad Jack wrote:You're a password stealing, information whoring code monkey.

You're not important, dear. You're a pest.


Play nice.

Stop trying to be a mod.
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Postby Afforess » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:28 pm

Mad Jack wrote:You're a password stealing


You go too far.
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Postby Solorni » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:28 pm

Unibot, sincere and not corrupt? You obviously haven't known him long enough. There is a reason that many of his former friends and greatest allies are now his enemies. There is a reason why he is banned from a few regions for his deplorable personal attacks that he makes me on people, or the harassment he engages in. There is a reason why his home region is dead and conquered, not once but twice.

Unibot cares nothing for regions and you sir, clearly don't know his history. Come back and talk to me once you've learned a bit Affrontness.
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Postby People United Together » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:29 pm

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:
People United Together wrote:If he tried to influence the GCRs, it was to save them from some threat he perceived--real or make believe. Again, if he wants a GCR, he needs only to reach out his hand.

The irony is that UDL, and Unibot in particular, once had a GCR - Balder - under their complete control, and a justifiable basis (finders keepers/first come first served) to establish it as their home region as a fiercely defender GCR. A number of UDL members, myself included, suggested such an action - Unibot refused. He was confident that he would be able to turn Balder defender via a democratic process in competition with the Independent/Imperialist sphere. We can all see how that worked out..


That only proves what I said before:
People United Together wrote:The only thing keeping General Unibot from toppling a GCR is his resolve to defend.

He had the chance, but stood by his principles--good principles or not. :clap:
Put, an impertinent nobody.

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Postby Esternial » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:30 pm

So much bickering.

Guys, take a moment to calm down, jebus. This is like watching the Mod critique threads...


...but even more trivial to our everyday lives.
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Postby Luxembourg » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:30 pm

Mad Jack wrote:
Luxembourg wrote:
Play nice.

Stop trying to be a mod.

Telling you to get back on topic when you've derailed the thread is trying to be a mod. Using the warning code is trying to be a mod. Saying "Play nice." When you're being rather rude, is just being civil.
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Postby Afforess » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:31 pm

Solorni wrote:Unibot, sincere and not corrupt? You obviously haven't known him long enough. There is a reason that many of his former friends and greatest allies are now his enemies.


Like you? Power hungry thieves who rode his coattails? You will forgive me if I am not convinced of his evil nature.

Solorni wrote:Unibot cares nothing for regions and you sir

I would expect nothing different. I can care for myself and my own quite well on my own. I don't need outside help.
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Postby Solorni » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:32 pm

Lmao :P
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Postby Mad Jack » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:32 pm

Afforess wrote:
Solorni wrote:Unibot, sincere and not corrupt? You obviously haven't known him long enough. There is a reason that many of his former friends and greatest allies are now his enemies.


Like you? Power hungry thieves who rode his coattails?

Oh I would love to hear how Rachel Anumia rode Unibot's coattails. :roll:
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Postby Esternial » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:33 pm

Solorni wrote:Unibot, sincere and not corrupt? You obviously haven't known him long enough. There is a reason that many of his former friends and greatest allies are now his enemies. There is a reason why he is banned from a few regions for his deplorable personal attacks that he makes me on people, or the harassment he engages in. There is a reason why his home region is dead and conquered, not once but twice.

Unibot cares nothing for regions and you sir, clearly don't know his history. Come back and talk to me once you've learned a bit Affrontness.

You know, I hear you whining, but unless you have proof to back this banter up, it's just that: whining.

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Postby Solorni » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:34 pm

Yes, let's hear this story oh learned Affrontness :)

I've posted such proof before Esternial and this is all public knowledge, posted by many people. Should try to read it one day.
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Postby Unibot III » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:35 pm

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:The irony is that UDL, and Unibot in particular, once had a GCR - Balder - under their complete control, and a justifiable basis (finders keepers/first come first served) to establish it as their home region as a fiercely defender GCR. A number of UDL members, myself included, suggested such an action - Unibot refused.


I took a pledge not to use force for a political agenda, Belschaft. We couldn't do that with Balder, we had to establish a free and open constitutional convention because that was the fairest thing to do.

There is a reason why his home region is dead and conquered, not once but twice.


Explain to me how the burning of my own region was me being destructive? I fought for weeks to try to save Dharma. I'm very sorry to everyone I let down in failing to save it before the region was completely burned.
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Postby Esternial » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:36 pm

Solorni wrote:Yes, let's hear this story oh learned Affrontness :)

I've posted such proof before Esternial and this is all public knowledge, posted by many people. Should try to read it one day.

Feel free to point it out to me and I'll indulge myself.

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Postby Milograd » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:36 pm

EDIT: I made a joke about Rach and Unibot, and Rach later admitted to me that she felt it degraded her, and out of respect to her, I have removed the comment.

Again, sorry, Rach -- some people are into that kind of humor, and you obviously aren't. We all have our lines in the sand drawn, and I misjudged how far yours was.
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Postby Afforess » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:36 pm

Mad Jack wrote:You're a password stealing, information whoring code monkey.

You're not important, dear. You're a pest.


Information whore? Because knowledge is a bad thing? A person who hates information is doomed to be forever trapped in his ways.

Password stealing? Do you have proof? I have never stolen a password.

A pest? Clearly a large, numerous one, that eats at your flesh and will soon devour you.
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Postby the Imperial Crown » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:37 pm

Ho-hum? I did not join a GCR for power, I joined a GCR because I was intrigued by the welcome TG sent by Lyanna Stark when I refounded for a third or fourth time in 2012, after several unsuccessful attempts to return to NationStates prior.

I've never found the gameplay aspect appealing, probably because I prefer the RP possibility of diplomacy, much more entertaining. It can be argued that I am an influential and powerful member of a GCR it was not through design or planning. Merely through hardwork, a sense of belonging and a want to promote the region I adopted as my home.

Saying that people only go to GCRs for power is an assertion that is somewhat true, it is not universally correct. Some could argue that people create organisations for attention, the moral highground and the ability to make judgements on other regions or groups which do not fall into their "moral circle". At the same time, the statement is somewhat true, and again, not universally correct, as no one could be that desperate for attention. ( :eyebrow:)

Also, Georgie, be mindful of such allegations.
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Postby Afforess » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:38 pm

Solorni wrote:Yes, let's hear this story oh learned Affrontness :)

I've posted such proof before Esternial and this is all public knowledge, posted by many people. Should try to read it one day.

You are riding on Unibot's success even now. Every insult you throw lifts you up by pushing him down.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:40 pm

Rachel Anumia lifted herself up on her own, and had possessed a successful and worthy resume before the UDL even came into existence.

Afforess, the game did exist before you started paying attention to it.
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