The United Defenders League

[Zaolat]

Again focusing on the game rather than peoples RL response to the statements it makes sense. A defender organisation by its nature tends to defend against actions taken by raiders, from a purely game based point of view what is the reasoning behind a forced block on defending a particular group?

Because these particular groups happen to be Nazis, and if you can't understand why some of us think such groups shouldn't be defended, then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

That's not Vladisvok's point here. Clearly, Nazis are bad, but there is a distinction from playing a "game" and defending RL Nazis. It's not the same thing, even if you think pseudo-Nazis are scum. Here you make no distinction, even though there is still a difference.

Edit: Fixed spelling

[Charles Cerebella]

What the UDL desperately needs is to finish the conclave and elect a leader. Have a Chief of the Band who is plugged into the changing and dynamic gameplay situtation and who can provide real leadership on this issue and be decisive to move the organisation past the bickering about defending Nazis once and for all.

Oh the Conclave has finished?

Mahaj won?

Well...

That is embarrassing...

[Solm]

I'm not sure that there is any indecision. The UDL has been very clear that we will defend all regions as an organization except ones that the majority of our members find morally repulsive (Nazis). However, we do not prohibit defending any region, and if our members want to defend a Nazi region with another defender organization, then they can do so. Just not in our channel or as a UDLer. The basis for determining if a region is Nazi or not is usually straightforward. In times when that is confusing (I'm looking at you Todd), well make a case by case decision. However, merely having an embassy with a Nazi region does not qualify a region as Nazi, and any such raids will be defended against. I'm not sure where the confusion is on UDL policy; I think this is more people disagreeing with the policy, rather than not understanding it.

[Gavin Novawk]

Would the UDL defend a raider region, if they requested assistance?

[Solm]

Would the UDL defend a raider region, if they requested assistance?

Yes, most definitely. And we have done so countless times in the past.

[Gavin Novawk]

Would the UDL defend a raider region, if they requested assistance?

Yes, most definitely. And we have done so countless times in the past.

Even if they are actively continuing to raid?

[Solm]

Yes, most definitely. And we have done so countless times in the past.

Even if they are actively continuing to raid?

Yes, if their home region is under attack, no matter what, we will defend them. Unless they ask us not to defend them, of course, we will always respect the natives' wish. If they are continuing to raid while their region is under attack, we will also defend against their raids as well as defend their home region.

[East Brandenburg]

I would question that

Das Imperium, allegedly a Raider region, has apparently been left out to dry

Ming has humiliated both sides of the R/D divide and still sits there thumbing her nose at both of you

Looks like the only way she can be stopped is via a SC Liberation, which Raiders will oppose because, well that's what raiders do, and which Defenders will shy away from because its an admission of their failure to execute their primary objective

[Klaus Devestatorie]

I would question that

Das Imperium, allegedly a Raider region, has apparently been left out to dry

Ming has humiliated both sides of the R/D divide and still sits there thumbing her nose at both of you

Looks like the only way she can be stopped is via a SC Liberation, which Raiders will oppose because, well that's what raiders do, and which Defenders will shy away from because its an admission of their failure to execute their primary objective

"Raiders" have yet to have a crack at it. An SC Liberation would not be helpful, although we are getting close to the point of hidden passwords.

[The Blaatschapen]

I would question that

Das Imperium, allegedly a Raider region, has apparently been left out to dry

Ming has humiliated both sides of the R/D divide and still sits there thumbing her nose at both of you

Looks like the only way she can be stopped is via a SC Liberation, which Raiders will oppose because, well that's what raiders do, and which Defenders will shy away from because its an admission of their failure to execute their primary objective

I'd argue that SC diplomacy is just war by other means.

[Solm]

I would question that

Das Imperium, allegedly a Raider region, has apparently been left out to dry

I would question why you have ignored our previous attempts at liberating it and our most recent successful liberation of Das Imperium a few minutes ago. Yes, we just liberated it (and not because you posted this). We don't have unlimited amount of people to go out liberating whenever we want. It takes a lot of planning and a lot of hounding to get people online to get a liberation done. If you would like to help, please sign up!

[Drop Your Pants]

Looks like the only way she can be stopped is via a SC Liberation, which Raiders will oppose because, well that's what raiders do, and which Defenders will shy away from because its an admission of their failure to execute their primary objective

Bet you feel silly now

[East Brandenburg]

And has the problem gone away?

[East Brandenburg]

Bet you feel silly now

No not really, just perplexed as to who is driving Defender strategy these days

[Evil Lord Sauron]

Bet you feel silly now

No not really, just perplexed as to who is driving Defender strategy these days

Karputsk

[Frasier Cranes amazing dramatic flails]

I would prefer it if people didn't know that.

--Karp

[East Brandenburg]

I would prefer it if people didn't know that.

--Karp

I can see why

[Eist]

Looks like the only way she can be stopped is via a SC Liberation, which Raiders will oppose because, well that's what raiders do, and which Defenders will shy away from because its an admission of their failure to execute their primary objective

Bet you feel silly now

I'd doubt it; I don't think raiders can comprehend shame.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Bet you feel silly now

I'd doubt it; I don't think raiders can comprehend shame.

It falls under the morality section of tools used by fendas.

[The Dourian Embassy]

Late congrats on the new Chief. I was wondering if that Conclave was ever going to end.

[Drop Your Pants]

It falls under the morality section of tools used by some fendas.

Fixed that for you

[Cromarty]

It falls under the morality section of tools used by some fendas.

Fixed that for you

Sssh you aren't allowed to do that. Only raiders can be individuals and fendas are all a moralistic, circle-jerking hive mind.

[Sovreignry]

Osiris Couped!

UDL Lieutenant Sovreignry Leading Merrymen into battle

On June 27th 2013 shortly after the Kemetic Republic of Osiris was couped by former Senior Merryman and Former Delegate Treize Dreizehn/Douria/Sore Loser. Shortly after many regions declared war on Gatesville INC. perpetrators of many of the atrocities that we have seen in the region. Expressing their intent to defend Regional Sovereignty the United Defenders League condemned the actions of Douria and Gatesville, along with many of NationStates most prominent regions, including The East Pacific, The North Pacific, Europeia, Spiritus, and many others.

UDL Merrymen readying for batle

When asked their reactions to the coup many Merrymen responded. "What? You mean in TSP? I thought we took care of that one." When informed that it was indeed, a different region that had been couped they had a different tone. "Dang, can't anyone just get along and do their thing?" Many responded. But many have heard the call and the UDL is working with many others, but the true heroes here are the Osiran government, working tirelessly to free their home.

[The United Defenders League]

Transactions

UDL Lieutenant and new First Baseman Sovreignry is hitting .388 with 19 home runs and 74 runs batted in.

Player Action

25 man roster (Merrymen) Designated for Assignment
Tim Placed on 15 day DL vacating Chief of Foreign Affairs Position
Sovreignry Switched to Tim's position
Glen-Rhodes Called up from Class AA to become Adviser to the Chief of Foreign Affairs
Ravania Promoted to Lieutenant, retains Captains duties
Class AAA (Militia) Designated for Assignment

[Cromarty]

I... uh... wat? O.o