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by Feuer Ritter » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:25 am
by General Halcones » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:49 am
by Frattastan II » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:52 am
General Halcones wrote:It may be one of the highest turnouts, yet the truth is, the outcome only represents a relatively small group of players. Hopefully in future, they will be able to get more players voting through the Mass TG feature, then we'll have awards that actually mean something.
Feuer Ritter wrote:Seriously, Europeia the best and TBR the worst raiding group? Can't be more biased than this.
After all, they are defender awards.
General Halcones wrote:Not worst raiding group, but most annoying raiding group. Basically, defenders find us really annoying because we're so awesome.
The Worst Invader Group Award
The award given to a group of Invaders for abysmal failure and/or being a large annoyance overall.
<@Guy> well done, fuckhead.
* @Guy claps for frattastan
by Lyanna Stark » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:31 am
"Only one man in a thousand is a leader of men. The other 999 follow women." -Groucho Marx
Unibot: "I've turned you into a defender chick and you've turned me into a respectable human being!"
[11:12pm]Mahaj: omg i have earth's endo
[11:12pm] Mahaj: this is the proudest moment of my defending career
by Kogvuron » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:42 am
by Anime Daisuki » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:55 am
Lyanna Stark wrote:You also have to take into consideration who voted from where because name recognition plays a big part in this, too. A lot of the XKIers I had no idea who they were because I've never talked to anyone really from the XKI-sphere as they kind of hide a bit (apologies if this offends) off in their own forum and don't really hang out with the rest of us. It's like they're on their own little playground.
by Mahaj » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:56 am
Frattastan II wrote:Then most of the voters will be active Invaders/Defenders, and not people involved in other aspects of Gameplay (antifa/Nazi wars, etc.).
Then there's the fact that, although everyone is welcome to take part, the Awards are going to appeal more to defenders ... (because they are a celebration of "defender successes and failures", after all; and many crashers reject them as "defender propaganda" and don't want to legitimise them).
<Koth> I'm still going by the assumption that Mahaj is Unibot's kid brother or something
Kandarin(Naivetry): You're going to have a great NS career ahead of you if you want it, Mahaj. :)
<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations
by Mallorea and Riva » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:58 am
Mahaj wrote:Frattastan II wrote:Then most of the voters will be active Invaders/Defenders, and not people involved in other aspects of Gameplay (antifa/Nazi wars, etc.).
Then there's the fact that, although everyone is welcome to take part, the Awards are going to appeal more to defenders ... (because they are a celebration of "defender successes and failures", after all; and many crashers reject them as "defender propaganda" and don't want to legitimise them).
I fail to see why non-defenders should be allowed to vote in the "Defender Awards".
by Vladisvok Destino » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:06 am
Mahaj wrote:I fail to see why non-defenders should be allowed to vote in the "Defender Awards".
by Frattastan II » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:07 am
Mahaj wrote:I fail to see why non-defenders should be allowed to vote in the "Defender Awards".
Kogvuron wrote:Halc's just upset TBR got Worst Raider Group
<@Guy> well done, fuckhead.
* @Guy claps for frattastan
by Lyanna Stark » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:26 am
Anime Daisuki wrote:Well, it's just the way it is. The fact of life is everybody's online free time is limited so they have to spend it wherever they spend it. TITO chose to focus on our own forum rather than IRC. If they had gone to IRC our forum would have less activity. So while you may call it TITO's "own little playground", it works for us.
"Only one man in a thousand is a leader of men. The other 999 follow women." -Groucho Marx
Unibot: "I've turned you into a defender chick and you've turned me into a respectable human being!"
[11:12pm]Mahaj: omg i have earth's endo
[11:12pm] Mahaj: this is the proudest moment of my defending career
by Northern Chittowa » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:55 am
General Halcones wrote:It may be one of the highest turnouts, yet the truth is, the outcome only represents a relatively small group of players. Hopefully in future, they will be able to get more players voting through the Mass TG feature, then we'll have awards that actually mean something.
Congratulations to all winners! And of course the organisers!
It is so pleasing to see how strong these awards are. We may not all agree on the awards that are included, we may not all agree on the general set up - yet here we are, celebrating the 7th year and it is the most successful yet!
I am already looking forward to the 8th and all the new controversy it brings!
by Unibot III » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:40 am
Lyanna Stark wrote:Anime Daisuki wrote:Well, it's just the way it is. The fact of life is everybody's online free time is limited so they have to spend it wherever they spend it. TITO chose to focus on our own forum rather than IRC. If they had gone to IRC our forum would have less activity. So while you may call it TITO's "own little playground", it works for us.
It wasn't meant as an insult at all. I completely understand the desire to keep things on the forum and have definitely seen how IRC can pull severely away from forum activity or even people just checking the forum. I've seen people who are active IRCers in UDL but haven't been on the forum for months. It's a preference, definitely, but it for sure in name-recognition plays a part in voting.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Blackbird » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:37 pm
Mahaj wrote:Frattastan II wrote:Then most of the voters will be active Invaders/Defenders, and not people involved in other aspects of Gameplay (antifa/Nazi wars, etc.).
Then there's the fact that, although everyone is welcome to take part, the Awards are going to appeal more to defenders ... (because they are a celebration of "defender successes and failures", after all; and many crashers reject them as "defender propaganda" and don't want to legitimise them).
I fail to see why non-defenders should be allowed to vote in the "Defender Awards".
by Cromarty » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:53 am
Cerian Quilor wrote:There's a difference between breaking the rules, and being well....Cromarty...
<Koth>all sexual orientations must unite under the relative sexiness of madjack
by Klaus Devestatorie » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:06 am
Mahaj wrote:Frattastan II wrote:Then most of the voters will be active Invaders/Defenders, and not people involved in other aspects of Gameplay (antifa/Nazi wars, etc.).
Then there's the fact that, although everyone is welcome to take part, the Awards are going to appeal more to defenders ... (because they are a celebration of "defender successes and failures", after all; and many crashers reject them as "defender propaganda" and don't want to legitimise them).
I fail to see why non-defenders should be allowed to vote in the "Defender Awards".
by Luna Dancing » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:05 pm
Mahaj wrote:Frattastan II wrote:Then most of the voters will be active Invaders/Defenders, and not people involved in other aspects of Gameplay (antifa/Nazi wars, etc.).
Then there's the fact that, although everyone is welcome to take part, the Awards are going to appeal more to defenders ... (because they are a celebration of "defender successes and failures", after all; and many crashers reject them as "defender propaganda" and don't want to legitimise them).
I fail to see why non-defenders should be allowed to vote in the "Defender Awards".
by Andacantra » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:59 pm
by Spartzerium » Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:57 pm
by Unibot III » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:41 pm
Andacantra wrote:There's one other thing to consider about allowing non-defenders to vote: a defender who spews their mouth off, bullies raiders/dissenters all the rest of it, is that really something we want to reward? Within the defender community, they might be a -fantastic- defender, but actually, how a person deals with groups who they're not totally friends with is a very big and important part of being well respected and "good". And those on the "other side of the fence" per se, are in a good place to judge that. This is probably partly why Fratt did so well - not only is he an exceptional defender out on the field, but he's willing to push aside battlefield rivalries and actually have frank, honest and -civil- discussions about things (even if you don't agree with him). That takes the "defender cause" (as much as I hate to use that) much further, in persuading people that perhaps their point of view isn't quite so silly, and that you can "do the right thing" without taking things omg serious.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by The Blaatschapen » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:46 pm
Unibot III wrote:Andacantra wrote:There's one other thing to consider about allowing non-defenders to vote: a defender who spews their mouth off, bullies raiders/dissenters all the rest of it, is that really something we want to reward? Within the defender community, they might be a -fantastic- defender, but actually, how a person deals with groups who they're not totally friends with is a very big and important part of being well respected and "good". And those on the "other side of the fence" per se, are in a good place to judge that. This is probably partly why Fratt did so well - not only is he an exceptional defender out on the field, but he's willing to push aside battlefield rivalries and actually have frank, honest and -civil- discussions about things (even if you don't agree with him). That takes the "defender cause" (as much as I hate to use that) much further, in persuading people that perhaps their point of view isn't quite so silly, and that you can "do the right thing" without taking things omg serious.
Some of the people you consider uncivil *cough*, are more than capable of being "civil" in discussions with people who not only disagree with them fundamentally, but also hate them to the core. The reason for these discrepancies is because civility is not a virtue of individuals that exists in isolation but a two-way street --a system of cooperation for the betterment of the quality of discussion, as well as a tool for political optics.
You expect human beings to be your doormat under the rules of civility, when you yourself rarely engage in civil dispute. I have seen you question the intellectual autonomy of people who agree with defenderism, use your "right to an opinion" as an excuse for an insufficient defense in an argument, victimize yourself and outright dispute the existence of "Argument from Moderation" as an informal logical fallacy and continue to use that fallacy almost doctrinally.
Civility is so much more than maintaining a temper, it is the path to the truth -- only those concerned with making political points when their opponents show a temper, would do such a disservice to civility as define it so thinly.
An occasional "Go f**k yourself" from someone is the least of an offense to the rules of civility, because it usually ends a conversation and is purely emotional interjection. Calculated circumvention of civility from a rational mind, like those that cleverly question one's intellectual autonomy or re-write the rules of a debate to conquer a discussion are more dangerous when taken to subtle extremes and thus, more of a concern for the state of civility. In comparison, the truth will never be obscured with "Go f**k yourself" -- anyone and everyone knows that isn't a substantive point of order.
This isn't just a problem for you, but a societal problem -- when one of our legislators swears in parliament, he or she makes the news... when one of our legislators veiledly undermines truth and logic, he or she is unlikely to even be called out for it. Yet the consequences for society are so much greater with the latter failures of civility.
- Uni
by Unibot III » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:35 pm
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Defender Awards 2013 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:46 am
by General Halcones » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:40 am
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