Ether

[Cerian Quilor]

That's not what they said at all.

[Frisbeeteria]

That's not what they said at all.

It's kinda hard to tell through the alcohol haze. Probably best to argue the point after the New Year Celebration (and hangover) have worn off.

[The Google Empire]

That's not what they said at all.

It's kinda hard to tell through the alcohol haze. Probably best to argue the point after the New Year Celebration (and hangover) have worn off.

I was referring to what the TBRites said before drunk Cromarty

-Cerian.

[Cormac Stark]

As long as the password is not leaked,the non-updaters can be evacuated and deployed elsewhere, with a skeleton force garrisoned in the region to await the inevitable Liberation proposal

Except that I will oppose all attempts at liberating Ether through the SC, so they won't have to worry about that.

If I understand it correctly, your reason for opposing a liberation resolution is because Glass Gallows and by extension Ether espouses the ideology of Aretism. Rather than opposing the World Assembly just for the sake of opposing it, Aretism advocates national and regional sovereignty as well as a meritocratic system -- which precludes the involvement of an outside, interregional force like the World Assembly in the affairs of nations or regions. You argue that interregional organizations should not impose their will upon sovereign nations or regions, even invaders, and that nations and regions should thrive or fail based on their own merits rather than the will of the interregional community as expressed through the World Assembly. This is your reason for opposing the World Assembly in general and specifically in this case for opposing a Security Council resolution to liberate Ether.

Please correct me if I have any of that wrong; I have only a cursory familiarity with Aretism but I think I've highlighted its basic points. I'll await your reply to see if I'm missing anything important before making my point.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Except that I will oppose all attempts at liberating Ether through the SC, so they won't have to worry about that.

If I understand it correctly, your reason for opposing a liberation resolution is because Glass Gallows and by extension Ether espouses the ideology of Aretism. Rather than opposing the World Assembly just for the sake of opposing it, Aretism advocates national and regional sovereignty as well as a meritocratic system -- which precludes the involvement of an outside, interregional force like the World Assembly in the affairs of nations or regions. You argue that interregional organizations should not impose their will upon sovereign nations or regions, even invaders, and that nations and regions should thrive or fail based on their own merits rather than the will of the interregional community as expressed through the World Assembly. This is your reason for opposing the World Assembly in general and specifically in this case for opposing a Security Council resolution to liberate Ether.

Please correct me if I have any of that wrong; I have only a cursory familiarity with Aretism but I think I've highlighted its basic points. I'll await your reply to see if I'm missing anything important before making my point.

I'm pretty sure you've nailed it, although I defer to the knowledge of Galantius and Leonardo on Aretism.

[Claraoculos]

So, TBR et all beaten to the punch at major eh?

And after you had put in all that effort as well, such a waste.

Still be interesting to see how long the new overlords permit me to stay!

[Solorni]

This is not a recruitment thread. It's more of a news/announcement thread.
If this is still deemed threadjack I will stop it, of course.

How often does, say,the ERN bancject natives? Or TNI (bar your favorite North Atlantic Example)?

TBR/TBH/DEN are not the only raiders in the world. When TNI captured such places as Scotland, or Belgium, or when the ERN occupied the Creed or Submerged Supercontinent of Eternal winter (The name was somethimg like that), they didn't banject natives at all.

The answer is "when they have the Influence to banject natives".
Nowadays all the mainstream raider groups don't have a problem with griefing. Actually I thought the ERN was anti-griefer, but I guess they changed their stance: they didn't protest when Wolf banned an impressive number of natives in Anarchy - a raid the ERN was supporting; plus that rubbish essay HEM wrote about regions being billboards with a name on it, and about griefing being a perfectly acceptable activity that doesn't affect "communities".

TNI tried to destroy Soviet Union both before and after it joined FRA. Colonisation, war ... it's nice to see they can come up with a random new reason each time, though.

Hmm... I think ERN left the Anarchy raid, but I'd have to double check.

[Frattastan II]

Hmm... I think ERN left the Anarchy raid, but I'd have to double check.

I recall posting in the Euro Octagon thread about the Anarchy invasion pointing out: a) the massive amount of griefing going on; b) the fact that the GGR was supporting the raid. Although people were annoyed by the Nazi presence, nobody seemed upset about the former - and a few even had a good laugh about it.

The ERN then left the Anarchy, but seemingly only because of the GGR. I have always thought that - had it been only for those ~ 50 banjected natives - you would have stayed there till the end.

The withdrawal of ERN (and of its allies, like TNI) eventually closed the endorsement gap enough to allow for a liberation.
Those few GGR WAs were a painful price to pay for Wolf.

[Unibot III]

Still be interesting to see how long the new overlords permit me to stay!

Always be your own overlord, Claraoculos. You'll likely be the the receiver of the founder account, but we've asked Galiantus to check with Glass Gallows.

[Solorni]

Hmm... I think ERN left the Anarchy raid, but I'd have to double check.

I recall posting in the Euro Octagon thread about the Anarchy invasion pointing out: a) the massive amount of griefing going on; b) the fact that the GGR was supporting the raid. Although people were annoyed by the Nazi presence, nobody seemed upset about the former - and a few even had a good laugh about it.

The ERN then left the Anarchy, but seemingly only because of the GGR. I have always thought that - had it been only for those ~ 50 banjected natives - you would have stayed there till the end.

The withdrawal of ERN (and of its allies, like TNI) eventually closed the endorsement gap enough to allow for a liberation.
Those few GGR WAs were a painful price to pay for Wolf.

Well, the people who had a laugh about the complaints were trolling and posting random pictures until they were asked to cut it out by Lethen. The thing is that it was not easy to tell if there was griefing or not, but it was easy to tell that there were Nazis. So it wasn't a matter of ignoring anything, simply a matter of simplicity. We were also dealing with the issue of how to do this in a politically correct way while dealing with EW. There was a lot on our plates and on top of that, we didn't even have a separate military head at the time as I was doing both the Presidency and the military head.

Europeia at that time (I can't speak for now) did not actively or knowingly support griefing. I'd also like to note that it was at that time that GGR started to come into the Europeian focus and would become a champion in fighting Nazi regions (going beyond most others). We did not adhere to the idea by EW that defenders were the final enemy and that Nazis were allies in this. I have always felt that the concept of raider unity should not be an end all, be all and EWs stance cost him as much as it would pain him to admit it. Sometimes, you have to take the political route and I have always felt that raider unity should be a friendly unity rather than one with such expectations and forcefulness. You get as much out of allies as they wish to give and you try to give as much as internal policies allow.

[Galiantus II]

Still be interesting to see how long the new overlords permit me to stay!

Always be your own overlord, Claraoculos. You'll likely be the the receiver of the founder account, but we've asked Galiantus to check with Glass Gallows.

Yes. And if there is a general consensus in Glass Gallows, I think it will happen by the end of the week.

[Frattastan II]

The thing is that it was not easy to tell if there was griefing or not, but it was easy to tell that there were Nazis.

About fifty non-defender nations banned. Were they all defender sleepers?
Is it griefing only when the region has been emptied, refounded, locked down and says "Captured by Lone Wolves United"?
Can we afford to state a cautious "It may be a potential grief-like situation" before that or is it always too early to tell and we should simply wait how the situation develops?

Fair enough, though. I know Euro's population favours raiding but is opposed to griefing (and would even support fighting them).
If this is reflected by the ERN policies, even better.

[Lyanna Stark]

Always be your own overlord, Claraoculos. You'll likely be the the receiver of the founder account, but we've asked Galiantus to check with Glass Gallows.

Yes. And if there is a general consensus in Glass Gallows, I think it will happen by the end of the week.

Just let me know what's worked out and all.

[Mallorea and Riva]

The thing is that it was not easy to tell if there was griefing or not, but it was easy to tell that there were Nazis.

About fifty non-defender nations banned. Were they all defender sleepers?

Yes.

[The Bruce]

Was the refounding initiated by natives, defenders, or invaders? In other words, who was in control of the region when it was being emptied to refound?

[Jamie Anumia]

Was the refounding initiated by natives, defenders, or invaders? In other words, who was in control of the region when it was being emptied to refound?

TBR were.

[Cerian Quilor]

So, TBR et all beaten to the punch at major eh?

And after you had put in all that effort as well, such a waste.

Still be interesting to see how long the new overlords permit me to stay!

Define 'waste', Clara. You don't get to set mission objectives. TBR does.

[Communist Eraser]

So, TBR et all beaten to the punch at major eh?

And after you had put in all that effort as well, such a waste.

Still be interesting to see how long the new overlords permit me to stay!

Define 'waste', Clara. You don't get to set mission objectives. TBR does.

It's obvious to every man and his dog Ether was aiming for a refound. Don't say that isn't the mission objective. UDL caught it first. Mission objective failed.

[Cerian Quilor]

Missions can have multiple objectives, and the refound is just one part of it.

[Everbeek]

Missions can have multiple objectives, and the refound is just one part of it.

...
And that part failed.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Missions can have multiple objectives, and the refound is just one part of it.

Cerian, please, do yourself a favor and don't screw up Halc's PR on his behalf.

[Eist]

Missions can have multiple objectives, and the refound is just one part of it.

Cerian, please, do yourself a favor and don't screw up Halc's PR on his behalf.

I have this theory that Cerian is actually a defender that is undercover and going out his way to make raiders look like they are all bat-shit insane to reduce their credibility. He's the equivalent of Michele Bachmann with the Republican Party.

[The Blaatschapen]

Cerian, please, do yourself a favor and don't screw up Halc's PR on his behalf.

I have this theory that Cerian is actually a defender that is undercover and going out his way to make raiders look like they are all bat-shit insane to reduce their credibility. He's the equivalent of Michele Bachmann with the Republican Party.

Michele Bachmann is a defender?

[Cromarty]

I hope this is the case because otherwise Cerian is reaching the levels I used to go to to excuse UDL stuff XD

[A Million Voices]

What I think Cerian is trying to say is that this is hardly a flawless UDL victory. It is a victory all the same, but a close one.

We sat on the region and partied for a month and a half with the only effort to save the region being guerilla spammers. It was rescued at the end, but the fact that the region was saved by a matter of milliseconds should mean no one has the right to act cocky. We weren't 100% successful, but you could say we were 60%.