Ether

[Claraoculos]

Anyone care to join in frustrating TBR and their cronies in Ether?

Their present field commander seems to have mis-judged the scope of the task he has undertook - despite being delegate for over a fortnight he still is no nearer securing the region permanently for his raider coalition, currently tying down 30 endorsements in a region that could have been taken and locked down with considerable lesss at the start od his tenure

If nothing else, participation by any who wish to mock TBR and their ilk will keep them holed up in the region, leaving breating space for their other potential victims

[Feux]

* Starts writting liberation proposal.

[Ambroscus Koth]

LOL.

Okay.

[Mallorea and Riva]

You know, we sat in Dharma for two months just because we could. If any of the natives had chosen to annoy us the way you're trying to annoy TBR, we would have stayed and refounded it no matter how long it took. I look forward to TBR completing the task of destroying Ether.

[Claraoculos]

Mall,

Is that you renouncing tag raiding?

We may make a strategist of you yet!

PS I wouldn't count on Santa bring the refound for you this time round

[Cerian Quilor]

No one is renoucing Tag Raiding. Tag Raiding is one strategy among several, and they are employed as the groups see fit.

TBR is not making a mistake, because you don't understand why TBR is doing what it is doing in Ether.

[Ambroscus Koth]

Mall,

Is that you renouncing tag raiding?

We may make a strategist of you yet!

PS I wouldn't count on Santa bring the refound for you this time round

Do you even have any idea what you're talking about or are you just angry?

[Andacantra]

You know, we sat in Dharma for two months just because we could. If any of the natives had chosen to annoy us the way you're trying to annoy TBR, we would have stayed and refounded it no matter how long it took. I look forward to TBR completing the task of destroying Ether.

So natives are just supposed to sit down and take their region being nuked quietly? Yeah, right. It's not exactly like asking TBR really really nicely to leave is going to make them stop, now is it? Does standing up to bullies always produce the best result? Not always, but I'll be damned if that'll ever stop me.

Note that I'm not going for the OMG Evil charade here...I just think causing more damage to a region because the natives had the -nerve- to stick up for themselves is petty, to be brutally honest.

[Cerian Quilor]

You know, we sat in Dharma for two months just because we could. If any of the natives had chosen to annoy us the way you're trying to annoy TBR, we would have stayed and refounded it no matter how long it took. I look forward to TBR completing the task of destroying Ether.

So natives are just supposed to sit down and take their region being nuked quietly? Yeah, right. It's not exactly like asking TBR really really nicely to leave is going to make them stop, now is it? Does standing up to bullies always produce the best result? Not always, but I'll be damned if that'll ever stop me.

Note that I'm not going for the OMG Evil charade here...I just think causing more damage to a region because the natives had the -nerve- to stick up for themselves is petty, to be brutally honest.

And? You act like being petty in a game isn't fun. I like getting at people who annoy me. That's the main reason why I'm keeping the RKA in Ether - I'm personally not fond of Galiantus (in-game) or the ideology of his region, Glass Gallows, which is Aretism. Since Glass Gallows has Ether as a protectorate, and Glass Gallows is foundered, Ether is the best way to attack them.

[Andacantra]

So natives are just supposed to sit down and take their region being nuked quietly? Yeah, right. It's not exactly like asking TBR really really nicely to leave is going to make them stop, now is it? Does standing up to bullies always produce the best result? Not always, but I'll be damned if that'll ever stop me.

Note that I'm not going for the OMG Evil charade here...I just think causing more damage to a region because the natives had the -nerve- to stick up for themselves is petty, to be brutally honest.

And? You act like being petty in a game isn't fun. I like getting at people who annoy me. That's the main reason why I'm keeping the RKA in Ether - I'm personally not fond of Galiantus (in-game) or the ideology of his region, Glass Gallows, which is Aretism. Since Glass Gallows has Ether as a protectorate, and Glass Gallows is foundered, Ether is the best way to attack them.

I just think that just because we're playing a game, we shouldn't abandon the fact that there are in fact people on the other side of nations. And even if we ignore the fact that people place meaning on their regions (not to mention histories on the RMB and such), in these situations you're treating the person behind that nation like an idiot that you just fancy trampling on because you can. You're doing it purely to piss somebody else off, it's not even like there's any greater cause or reason to it...you just feel like being douches in-game. And that's your perogative.

But I won't do that, and if any defender group who decides to liberate Ether decides that they trust me enough to let me help, then I'm entirely willing to do so. Good on you, Claraoculos, for deciding to actually argue back

[Gest]

I just think that just because we're playing a game, we shouldn't abandon the fact that there are in fact people on the other side of nations.

That's so corny it tastes like diabetes.

But I won't do that, and if any defender group who decides to liberate Ether decides that they trust me enough to let me help, then I'm entirely willing to do so. Good on you, Claraoculos, for deciding to actually argue back

Once upon a time the Americans told the Hungarians "You guys should totally revolt against the Soviet occupation". They did. It went as well you think it would.

[Andacantra]

I just think that just because we're playing a game, we shouldn't abandon the fact that there are in fact people on the other side of nations.

That's so corny it tastes like diabetes.

But I won't do that, and if any defender group who decides to liberate Ether decides that they trust me enough to let me help, then I'm entirely willing to do so. Good on you, Claraoculos, for deciding to actually argue back

Once upon a time the Americans told the Hungarians "You guys should totally revolt against the Soviet occupation". They did. It went as well you think it would.

I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall...I might as well be. I'm sorry if you find the fact that I acknowledge that there are actually -people- involved in this game, rather than just lines of code, too corny for your tastes. Perhaps you'd care to actually address my point, rather than avoiding it? Or to read what I said just a few short posts above, in the case of the second point. Especially in the context of this game, where there is very little that natives can actually do...I'd say arguing back is a fairly good thing to do. I know I would. Doesn't always end up with the best result, but at least you did -something-. But then, I guess, it would be oh so convenient for you if natives would just shut up and let you empty their region out.

[Topid]

* Starts writting liberation proposal.

Let's have a race!

[Claraoculos]

Do you even have any idea what you're talking about

Yes actually, I was raiding and defending well before the rise and fall of Asgard - how are you dealing with that loss by the way?

[Mahaj]

* Starts writting liberation proposal.

Let's have a race!

That's okay, I already have liberations pre-written for every region.

[Mallorea and Riva]

You know, we sat in Dharma for two months just because we could. If any of the natives had chosen to annoy us the way you're trying to annoy TBR, we would have stayed and refounded it no matter how long it took. I look forward to TBR completing the task of destroying Ether.

So natives are just supposed to sit down and take their region being nuked quietly? Yeah, right. It's not exactly like asking TBR really really nicely to leave is going to make them stop, now is it? Does standing up to bullies always produce the best result? Not always, but I'll be damned if that'll ever stop me.

Note that I'm not going for the OMG Evil charade here...I just think causing more damage to a region because the natives had the -nerve- to stick up for themselves is petty, to be brutally honest.

Personally I think that it is brutal, to be pettily honest. I've said it before and I'll say it again, getting natives involved in R/D is great and all, but there could very well be consequences for them. I can't speak for TBR as to the exact reasons that they are doing what they are doing in Ether, but if it were me I'd be making an example of them. Burn the region, and maybe next time natives will be warned by defenders not to attempt to annoy the raiders. Or maybe the defenders will defend the region.

[Cerian Quilor]

And? You act like being petty in a game isn't fun. I like getting at people who annoy me. That's the main reason why I'm keeping the RKA in Ether - I'm personally not fond of Galiantus (in-game) or the ideology of his region, Glass Gallows, which is Aretism. Since Glass Gallows has Ether as a protectorate, and Glass Gallows is foundered, Ether is the best way to attack them.

I just think that just because we're playing a game, we shouldn't abandon the fact that there are in fact people on the other side of nations. And even if we ignore the fact that people place meaning on their regions (not to mention histories on the RMB and such), in these situations you're treating the person behind that nation like an idiot that you just fancy trampling on because you can. You're doing it purely to piss somebody else off, it's not even like there's any greater cause or reason to it...you just feel like being douches in-game. And that's your perogative.

But I won't do that, and if any defender group who decides to liberate Ether decides that they trust me enough to let me help, then I'm entirely willing to do so. Good on you, Claraoculos, for deciding to actually argue back

This is a game. That should have been the end of your point. The whole point of the game is the person to person interaction. If it doesn't break the rules of the game,and uses what is coded into the game, it is part of the game, and the only conceptions that should matter are entirely in-game ones.

[Cormac Stark]

Do you even have any idea what you're talking about

Yes actually, I was raiding and defending well before the rise and fall of Asgard - how are you dealing with that loss by the way?

By the looks of it, he's dealing with it fine. He's a sergeant in The Black Riders with a rather successful command history and the co-founder of The Brotherhood of Malice, which is already making a name for itself.

I'd just like to remind you that Asgard was throughout its short history a friend to Glass Gallows. We would very likely have opposed and not participated in this griefing -- certainly I would not have authorized our involvement -- and the founder of Asgard, which is to say me, will likely be participating in any liberation attempt should one even be possible. Let's leave the pot shots at dead regions out of this and let Asgard rest in peace, shall we? You're certainly not endearing yourself to anyone at this point and should a liberation attempt arise I may just sit this one out.

[Claraoculos]

You seem to be labouring under the misconception that I am a Taimat/Glass Gallows creature - I am not

You questioned my personal competence in this field, so naturally I assumed that I was justified in critisizsng yours

[Cromarty]

So, here comes an unpopular opinion.

I support what TBR are doing in Ether. At this point, with Ether raided every other week (or even multiple times in one week), refounding the region and relocating the current population to another region is essentially a mercy than allowing the continual harassment to continue.

I'm (usually) not one to follow moral arguments but I think in this case there's an argument for allowing the region to be refounded.

Of course that wouldn't stop me trying to liberate it if I was mobile, can't let Halc go unopposed of course , but still.

[Feuer Ritter]

Note that I'm not going for the OMG Evil charade here...I just think causing more damage to a region because the natives had the -nerve- to stick up for themselves is petty, to be brutally honest.

That's the whole point, the more you resist, the more you entice us to do worse things to your regions. So is better to stay cool.

[Andacantra]

Note that I'm not going for the OMG Evil charade here...I just think causing more damage to a region because the natives had the -nerve- to stick up for themselves is petty, to be brutally honest.

That's the whole point, the more you resist, the more you entice us to do worse things to your regions. So is better to stay cool.

Just be the meek and defenceless little victims that you'd just love them to be? Course. If they did actually have a game mechanic in which to fight back, then you might just have a point...but at this particular moment in time, they don't, so wanting to do -something- is understandable. There are so many analogies I -could- use, but won't as this is Gameplay and not General, but I'm sure you're bright enough to think of a few.

George does have a point that Ether did need a refound, and this gives the natives a chance to regain their region (if TBR do in fact refound, rather than just emptying and locking down so nobody will stand any chance at getting it back). That's also not why TBR is doing it, and that's what I'm objecting to.

[Ambroscus Koth]

Do you even have any idea what you're talking about

Yes actually, I was raiding and defending well before the rise and fall of Asgard - how are you dealing with that loss by the way?

Dude, I was over Asgard by the time I was charged with treason.

[Claraoculos]

"We gotta take these b******s.
Now, we could fight 'em with conventional weapons.
That could take years and cost millions of lives.
Oh no.
No, in this case, I think we have to go all out.
I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
And we're just the guys to do it."

[Cerian Quilor]

Yes actually, I was raiding and defending well before the rise and fall of Asgard - how are you dealing with that loss by the way?

By the looks of it, he's dealing with it fine. He's a sergeant in The Black Riders with a rather successful command history and the co-founder of The Brotherhood of Malice, which is already making a name for itself.

I'd just like to remind you that Asgard was throughout its short history a friend to Glass Gallows. We would very likely have opposed and not participated in this griefing -- certainly I would not have authorized our involvement -- and the founder of Asgard, which is to say me, will likely be participating in any liberation attempt should one even be possible. Let's leave the pot shots at dead regions out of this and let Asgard rest in peace, shall we? You're certainly not endearing yourself to anyone at this point and should a liberation attempt arise I may just sit this one out.

Before you decided to jump ship for political advantage, you would not have fractured raider unity over Ether, Cormac.