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Vleerian
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Postby Vleerian » Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:21 am

Gorundu wrote:The case in Europeia was, as far as I remember, due to voters getting tired of the incumbent running without opposition, as they were not a particularly exceptional President. Anyway, interpreting the phenomonon fo re-opening nominations as a result of tenured members of the community dictating their will to the region is a bit of a stretch. Having been in both regions, I can confidently say that tenured members of both regions are frequently in disagreement about many issues. This is just simply the voters exercising their democratic prerogative against a weak field that they are not satisfied with. Sometimes tenured members feel inspired to step up and run themselves, sometimes it'll see less experienced candidates putting their hands up.

Thank you for the insight. To be clear, I don't think that RoN is a result of an oligarchy running TNP and Euro. At least in TNP, the level of suspicion levelled toward raiders of any affiliation these days is the very obvious cause for a RoN. I'm not informed enough to really make any strong statement about the state of NS democracies, beyond disagreeing with Joy about why Raiders might think there's trouble brewing :p
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Postby One Small Island » Mon Sep 09, 2024 1:58 pm

Leadership is hard under the best of circumstances. We find ourselves in a time and place across NationStates, and away from the keyboard, where things can hardly be described as the best of circumstances.

In hard times, in any government, but especially in a democracy, people do not feel qualified to lead, or they are scared to. No one wants to be the leader who presides over the downturn. So they say to themselves, "there are better people than me to lead, I will let them do it."

Re-Open Nominations "winning" is a signal to those people that there may not be better people than them to lead, and if they think they are capable, they should step up. I have heard that TNPs field of candidates is broader now than it was before RON "won", which is excellent, and means that RON is working exactly as it should.
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Postby JayDee II » Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:07 am

That RoE/N guy is a pretty tough candidate, eh?
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Postby UPC » Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:04 pm

JayDee II wrote:That RoE/N guy is a pretty tough candidate, eh?

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TNN | Picairn Wins Historically Close Election

Postby Kaschovia » Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:22 am


Picairn Wins Historically Close Election
by Kaschovia

After the option to reopen nominations was chosen by a vast majority of voters in the general election, where Blue Wolf II ran alone following the withdrawal of Comfed, the Re-Opened September 2024 Delegate Election has concluded: Picairn is the new Delegate-Elect of The North Pacific, beating Pallaith by three votes (47-44) in the second round of voting. The other candidates, Blue Wolf II and Dreadton, both got three votes respectively and were eliminated in the first round. The race was forecast as a clear win for Pallaith in pre-election polling, especially after previous frontrunner Comfed abruptly withdrew their candidacy, but proceedings were a lot more competitive than many initially thought they would be.

The re-opened election for Delegate closed after the general election began, so our new Vice Delegate and Speaker have already been in their roles for over a week now. In the Vice Delegate election, Sil Dorsett won with 86.96% of the vote (60/69), beating Neptunian Military Administration who received 13.04% of the vote (9/69). In the Speaker election, Arawi won with 85.94% of the vote (55/64), beating Gridland Empire who received 14.06% of the vote (9/64).

The new Delegate wasted no time putting up an opening address and appointing the cabinet for the term ahead, doing so just half an hour after the results had been posted by the Election Commission. Here’s how the fresh administration looks:

Minister of Defense: Dotopolis
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Chipoli
Minister of World Assembly Affairs: Vapid
Minister of Culture: Halsoni
Minister of Communications: Kaschovia
Minister of Home Affairs: United States of Dictators

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Advisors: Pallaith, Dreadton, and 9003
Cards Guildmaster: Dreadton

When asked for a statement on how it feels to have won the election and what Picairn believes their delegacy will bring to the North, this is what the Northern Notes was told:

“It has been an incredible election. Words cannot adequately describe the rollercoaster of emotions I am going through right now, though I remain grateful to everyone who voted for me and helped me pull off an unexpected victory against an experienced opponent. Going forward, my priorities as Delegate are to address the activity and manpower issues plaguing our government and army, and implement necessary reforms to make TNP a stronger and better region.”

There is a palpable excitement in the air in these first few days after the election. Most of the newly-appointed ministers have already posted opening remarks and roll calls, spurring activity in their own areas as the executive looks to start the term off with a lot of momentum. Of course, the question is whether or not that energy can be maintained over the next few weeks. There are still significant challenges in the coming months as the region sets its course into the future, but with the new Delegate at the helm, there is definitely a sense that those challenges can be overcome.

For a detailed breakdown of the re-opened Delegate election vote, click here, and for a detailed breakdown of the general election vote, click here.
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Angeloid Astraea
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Postby Angeloid Astraea » Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:02 am

Good luck Picairn! And, I look forward to seeing what Dotopolis brings against us on the battlefield while in command of the NPA! >=]
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Postby The North Polish Union » Mon Sep 23, 2024 11:48 am

Such sham elections ought to be rejected outright.

The will of the people as democratically expressed in the true election voted for Blue Wolf II as delegate (indeed, no other candidate garnered a single vote).

Yet the Francoist clique operating TNP from behind the scenes ignored this result. It is to be hoped that the citizenry of the North Pacific throw off their shackles and thrust these tyrants out of the region entirely.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:37 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:Such sham elections ought to be rejected outright.

The will of the people as democratically expressed in the true election voted for Blue Wolf II as delegate (indeed, no other candidate garnered a single vote).

Yet the Francoist clique operating TNP from behind the scenes ignored this result. It is to be hoped that the citizenry of the North Pacific throw off their shackles and thrust these tyrants out of the region entirely.

No election Ws for Francoists.
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Postby Evil Wolf » Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:10 am

I just hope the other candidates had as much fun as I did this election.
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Postby New Matzeratia » Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:19 am

Angeloid Astraea wrote:I look forward to seeing what Dotopolis brings against us on the battlefield while in command of the NPA! >=]

Pure hell. Run while you still can.
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Angeloid Astraea
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Postby Angeloid Astraea » Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:19 am

New Matzeratia wrote:
Angeloid Astraea wrote:I look forward to seeing what Dotopolis brings against us on the battlefield while in command of the NPA! >=]

Pure hell. Run while you still can.

That sounds fun!
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Rykkland
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Postby Rykkland » Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:41 pm

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From the Government of the Kodiak Republic


To the government of the North Pacific:

Just thirteen hours ago, our community was unjustly the target of an invasion by your government. An action which was used to overthrow the lawfully elected delegate of our community to the World Assembly, now permanently recorded within the Major Events of our region’s History. Neither the governor, nor the incumbent delegate, nor the subsequent delegate received any prior communication or request diplomatically to alter any decisions made by a sitting officer of the Kodiak Republic. No government official was appraised of any reason for this invasion prior to it taking place – this was an indefensible violation of our sovereignty.

Subsequent communication with your leadership has been disquieting at best. No real attempt at reconciliation was made. Their diplomat, Picairn, only made contact some 10 hours later after our government began its investigations into the responsible parties for the attack. A quote, “I apologise for the inconvenience this has caused.” is not an acceptable response for this level of imperious action against our government and its stability.

Kodiak is sympathetic and in agreement to the general concerns that TNP was attempting to pursue in undermining the actions of officials from a region known to be discriminatory and hateful. Any attempt at communication would have been successful. This unilateral action, however, should be condemned. Kodiak is a pro-social, large, and active community that (regardless of our lack of participation in the wider Gameplay and R/D sphere) deserves more respect and consideration.

It is the belief of the government of Kodiak that this action was likely taken because of diplomatic inexperience in the leadership in the North Pacific and we do not expect there to be an ongoing hostile relationship between our two communities. However, the severity of the failures inherent in the steps taken which caused this incident require us to make an official complaint. The Kodiak Republic and its government have an inherent obligation to protect our sovereignty and to request the respect of the communities with which we, in parallel, play.

Kind regards,

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Postby Picairn » Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:48 am

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Statement on The Kodiak Republic Raid

We had hoped to complete talks with The Kodiak Republic to satisfy whatever they needed in order to move forward together and to properly make up for the transgression we have committed against them, but we have already received a formal public statement from their government. While we feel it is necessary to immediately provide a public response to their statement, and do not wish for anyone to be in the dark about what has happened any longer than necessary, we intend to continue these talks beyond this statement and ensure that all parties are satisfied and made whole.

At minor update on October 26th, the North Pacific Army executed a quorum raid of a WA proposal, “Obesity Awareness,” authored by a Regional Officer of a homophobic and transphobic region which tolerates and engages in such offensive speech. This was the first in this government’s current initiative to take more direct action against regions of such disrepute through the use of our military and to treat them with the same severity we have treated other regions which we have utilized quorum raiding against. Unfortunately, one of the regions approving the resolution was The Kodiak Republic, and the officer in charge of the operation neither vetted the target list, nor had any awareness of the significance of the region.

Military operations can often be swift and sudden, particularly quorum raids, which involve dozens of targets with little room for error or time to extensively study them. Surveying the list of targets ahead of an operation is nevertheless crucial to the process, and the only significant planning involved in such an operation. This is typically handled much better than it was in this case. What transpired was not only completely unacceptable, it was beneath the caliber of work that our army strives to achieve in its operations. There were multiple opportunities and resources available for the officer involved, and every single one went unutilized or disregarded. A complete root-to-branch overhaul of the NPA’s operations and training is underway, and the officer responsible for the raid has been dismissed, because no matter who the affected region is, errors like this should never happen when the NPA engages.

This government is well aware that the United Regions Alliance is protected by the Pax Polaris Occidens, and would never authorize a hit on The Kodiak Republic. We believe that individuals like the officer running the operation may have been less likely to make such a mistake if relations between TNP and the URA were stronger; alas, this incident demonstrates that we do not know each other as well as we ought to, and is precisely why this government has been working to improve relations with the URA and our friends in the Augustin Alliance.

The error was entirely our own, and it was a grave one. We do not take lightly the significance of this trespass against The Kodiak Republic and our mutual allies and friends in the PPO and AA. It never should have happened, and if our various officials had communicated as efficiently and consistently as they ought to, it would never have happened. We are especially distressed that it occurred in the midst of a delegate transition, as we know first hand how difficult and deliberate such things can be. Had the target list been vetted, The Kodiak Republic would have been approached directly about our concerns with the resolution so that they might have the chance to remove their approval of it, as they indicated they would have. We also appreciate that they understand the motivation for our quorum raids and that there was not, and will continue not to be, a hostile relationship between our regions. We understand why they took the step they did and recognize the inherent failure on our part that such a statement even needed to be made.

The North Pacific profusely and unreservedly apologizes for the invasion of The Kodiak Republic, and for failing to immediately and effectively communicate what happened and why. We would also like to apologize to our friends and neighbors in the PPO, URA, and AA for the confusion, alarm, and stress that comes from such an unexpected event. We greatly value these partnerships and friendships, and hope they will continue to deepen and expand in the days ahead. Such an error is never desired or planned, of course, but we hope that it is understood, and that we can learn from the experience and come through it stronger. Our door will continue to open for any further concerns, questions, or requests as we seek to heal and further strengthen our collective bonds.

Signed,
Picairn
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Postby Homalia » Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:15 am

That’s unfortunate.
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Postby Rykkland » Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:45 am

I just want to post to confirm we've seen this response has been made, but our senior leadership are from Oceania and we won't be able to construct an official response until morning in approx 9 hours. Thank you to the individuals who let me know to look.
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Postby Nova Vinelandia » Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:58 am

I look forward to seeing what TNPers become declared Persona Non-Grata over this.
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Angeloid Astraea
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Postby Angeloid Astraea » Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:17 am

Picairn wrote:We believe that individuals like the officer running the operation may have been less likely to make such a mistake if relations between TNP and the URA were stronger

So now TNP believes in diplomacy to avoid escalation after a mistake! I guess going to war with the URA isn't as desirable.
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Postby Adkissa » Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:49 am

Glad to see a statement was made. Hopefully things improve from here!
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The Southern Dependencies
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Postby The Southern Dependencies » Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:57 am

This response could've been a lot better, ngl

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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:05 pm

Nova Vinelandia wrote:I look forward to seeing what TNPers become declared Persona Non-Grata over this.


Did you ever apologize for your invasion of a URA region? I remember Sparkalia doubling down.

Angeloid Astraea wrote:
Picairn wrote:We believe that individuals like the officer running the operation may have been less likely to make such a mistake if relations between TNP and the URA were stronger

So now TNP believes in diplomacy to avoid escalation after a mistake! I guess going to war with the URA isn't as desirable.


Is this a reference to the December 2021 Stargate thorn, which you did not even play the game during? The one where TBH told TNP tough shit after doing it? And then BoM went on to invade it deliberately roughly a dozen times?

You people are beyond parody.

Best of luck to the North and TKR resolving this amicably. I'd be curious in knowing what officer had this bright idea, though. I have my guess.
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Postby The Southern Dependencies » Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:07 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Nova Vinelandia wrote:I look forward to seeing what TNPers become declared Persona Non-Grata over this.


Did you ever apologize for your invasion of a URA region? I remember Sparkalia doubling down.

Angeloid Astraea wrote:So now TNP believes in diplomacy to avoid escalation after a mistake! I guess going to war with the URA isn't as desirable.


Is this a reference to the December 2021 Stargate thorn, which you did not even play the game during? The one where TBH told TNP tough shit after doing it? And then BoM went on to invade it deliberately roughly a dozen times?

You people are beyond parody.

Best of luck to the North and TKR resolving this amicably. I'd be curious in knowing what officer had this bright idea, though. I have my guess.

This has nothing to do with general raiderdom. This has everything to do with human stupidity and lack of communication. Why the hell are you bringing Sparkarlia in as a Strawman?

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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:09 pm

The Southern Dependencies wrote:This has nothing to do with general raiderdom. This has everything to do with human stupidity and lack of communication. Why the hell are you bringing Sparkarlia in as a Strawman?

Timiskrane is referencing his own persona non grata - which as I recall occured after Stargate invaded a URA region, as Timiskrane is an officer in their military (though maybe just a member at the time?). Sparkalia did not apologize, they doubled down. Therefore Timiskrane's comparison is unreasonable. Hardly a strawman, entirely relevant to what Timiskrane said, in fact.
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Postby Vleerian » Sun Oct 27, 2024 6:21 pm

Quebecshire wrote:And then BoM went on to invade it deliberately roughly a dozen times?

A shame the limited time offer finished, I almost got enough stamps on my "Stargate Raid" card to get a free coffee.
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Postby Rykkland » Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:15 pm

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From the Government of the Kodiak Republic


To the government of the North Pacific:

The government of the Kodiak Republic wants to thank the leadership of the North Pacific for accepting responsibility for the actions taken against our nation. The only justice our government seeks is the total and unreserved apology of the government of the North Pacific for the violation of our sovereign territory and we are satisfied this request has been fulfilled. We accept that the North Pacific has made a productive effort to ensure Kodiak is not at risk of further escalation and that we are not in danger of ongoing hostility. It is our sincere hope that this incident may serve to improve the processes of the North Pacific and will ultimately result in a safer and more peaceful world not only for Kodiak but for any other institutions which may have, without this incident, been at risk.

The Kodiak government appreciates the support provided by our allies in the United Regions Alliance, the Augustine Alliance, the West Pacific, and others who have worked to ensure a positive outcome in this difficult time.

Kind regards,

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Postby Rykkland Puppet » Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:15 pm

Posted on a puppet to make it clear these are just my opinions as a citizen and not as a leader of the Republic

On a personal level, I can’t help but feel the apology is not entirely what we expected. From the first, both Battadia and I find it difficult to consider the very limited and truncated conversation two or three hours prior to our complaint to be “ongoing talks.” While I understand that it is probable that Picairn considered all their conversations between AA, URA, TWP, TKR, and others to be a part of the overall diplomatic discourse of the event, from the Kodiak point of view, we had three quick messages which consisted of justification for the raid, and no major movement toward a real apology. It was under this atmosphere that our public complaint was made. Even subsequent communication with Battadia was limited to a single message and a link to the official apology. I appreciate that so many other organisations have been involved in defending us because the total exchange between our leaders had been 4 messages from Picairn, 4 from Battadia and one link shared from each.

While I appreciate that the North Pacific had what would probably be considered a perfectly reasonable request not to support the Covenant Shores, I really find it difficult, personally, to believe that the circumstances necessitated such an aggressive response two days prior to the current vote nearing completion and without communication. I also am somewhat taken aback by the idea that the state of the URA being less active than in the past is somehow a kind of mitigating factor for neglecting to realise that a top 25 region (and top 15 UCR) shouldn’t be an arbitrary target. I can’t help but consider that if Kodiak had acted in the same way against the North Pacific that we would be presently in a state of total war. It is only by virtue of the North Pacific being a large superpower that it is our position diplomatically to be the one required to kowtow for a just result.

Yesterday, 3 hours before our complaint was posted, it was my expectation that we would have a mature and simple direct apology. I am at least partially disappointed the extent to which the transgression has been mitigated with comments about the URA being too quiet or the AA not being friendly enough while also being essentially justified through the lens of disliking the Covenant Shores (a view to which we both agree).

I appreciate that TNP has acted to avoid such a problem happening again in the future, and I’m glad that an apology has been given and accountability taken. I just wish that it wasn’t also cloaked in so much protective language. I understand that this is not unexpected, its just not how I would have preferred the apology be made. Just as I am posting twice here, I would have liked to see a real apology as the official stance, and the extraneous factors separate as context.
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