Embassy of The North Pacific

[Queen Yuno]

Damn, Hulldom, I did a double-take at that address, thinking that you had won the Delegate elections.

[Hulldom]

Damn, Hulldom, I did a double-take at that address, thinking that you had won the Delegate elections.

I was asked to post the address! Lol

[Durkadurkiranistan II]

Because of recent events in the United States, there are many people concerned about the future of their rights being taken away... Each day our regional flag will change to the portrait of a person who was killed, murdered, or assaulted for something they could not change, themselves.

I was under the impression that abortion was a choice.

Dude, stop being insensitive. Womyn, birthing people, and chestfeeders are done with conforming to your antiquated expectations!

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Welcome back Durk.

[Hulldom]

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Statement On Continued Interregional Peace

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In recent months, some regions have chosen to engage with the Feeder regions in purposeful bad faith and disparage not only those Feeders themselves, but their commitments to their allies and their respective international goals. These regions have forgotten why the Feeders stand proud and have earned the respect of the international community, and why it is not beneficial to deliberately interfere with their aims and their friends. The West Pacific, The Pacific, and The North Pacific will not tolerate the wanton disrespect and aggression that has been leveled at us and our friends. We are committed to defending our interests, our allies, ourselves, and now each other.

Effective immediately, we have issued standing orders to our militaries to the following effect: an attack on any of our regions or allies is an attack on all of us, and will be met unhesitatingly with the appropriate military force. We will coordinate strategic assets, defense intelligence, and forces as needed to ensure the continued defense of ourselves and our allies in the world.

This mutual defense agreement, titled Pax Polaris Occidens, will also be presented to the governments of each of the regions involved to formally codify it into law. Pending formalization, we will act in accordance with these standing orders and this statement.

We will not be intimidated.

Signed,

The Pacific
Lord of Darkness, Emperor
The Seeker of Power, Regent
Xoriet, Senator of Diplomatic Affairs
Syberis, Exarch of Diplomatic Affairs

The North Pacific
Pallaith, Delegate of the North Pacific
Hulldom, Minister of Foreign Affairs

The West Pacific
Giovanniland, Delegate of the West Pacific
Dilber, Minister of Foreign Affairs

[Quebecshire]

Entirely rational if not somewhat merciful after how they’ve treated TNP over these last few months. More power to you guys, great statement!

[Asilvaria]

As a member of the Ministry for World Assembly Affairs for The North Pacific, I whole-heartedly s0upport this statement.

[Minskiev]

[ShrewLlamaLand]

I am eagerly awaiting the upcoming statement on anti-"fascist" delegate bumping, great job as always TNP!

[Umbratellus]

I am eagerly awaiting the upcoming statement on anti-"fascist" delegate bumping, great job as always TNP!

Can you explain what “Delegate Bumping” is? A bunch of North Pacific puppets endorsed and then un-endorsed my friend last night and I presume this would be connected? I’ve never paid too much attention to gameplay so I’m not sure the purpose.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

I am eagerly awaiting the upcoming statement on anti-"fascist" delegate bumping, great job as always TNP!

Can you explain what “Delegate Bumping” is? A bunch of North Pacific puppets endorsed and then un-endorsed my friend last night and I presume this would be connected? I’ve never paid too much attention to gameplay so I’m not sure the purpose.

That's exactly what delegate bumping is. Simply, a Delegate's approval of a proposal is removed if they are displaced as Delegate.

TNP's counter-campaign telegram wasn't quite effective enough to ensure the proposal I submitted would be brought below quorum, so they had to come along and delegate bump a couple dozen regions just to make sure.

At least some people liked my joke proposal, including the Delegates for The Rejected Realms and The Order of the Grey Wardens who had temporarily approved it, but of course TNP's influence runs a little too strong throughout NSGP for those approvals to stand.

[Umbratellus]

Can you explain what “Delegate Bumping” is? A bunch of North Pacific puppets endorsed and then un-endorsed my friend last night and I presume this would be connected? I’ve never paid too much attention to gameplay so I’m not sure the purpose.

That's exactly what delegate bumping is. Simply, a Delegate's approval of a proposal is removed if they are displaced as Delegate.

TNP's counter-campaign telegram wasn't quite effective enough to ensure the proposal I submitted would be brought below quorum, so they had to come along and delegate bump a couple dozen regions just to make sure.

At least some people liked my joke proposal, including the Delegates for The Rejected Realms and The Order of the Grey Wardens who had temporarily approved it, but of course TNP's influence runs a little too strong throughout NSGP for those approvals to stand.

Ah, it probably didn’t help I told their WA mission account who was running the counter-campaign I had no intention of withdrawing my endorsement either.

*edit*

I was able to contact my friend who replaced me as delegate and our region’s endorsement has resumed.

[WayNeacTia]

Can you explain what “Delegate Bumping” is? A bunch of North Pacific puppets endorsed and then un-endorsed my friend last night and I presume this would be connected? I’ve never paid too much attention to gameplay so I’m not sure the purpose.

That's exactly what delegate bumping is. Simply, a Delegate's approval of a proposal is removed if they are displaced as Delegate.

TNP's counter-campaign telegram wasn't quite effective enough to ensure the proposal I submitted would be brought below quorum, so they had to come along and delegate bump a couple dozen regions just to make sure.

At least some people liked my joke proposal, including the Delegates for The Rejected Realms and The Order of the Grey Wardens who had temporarily approved it, but of course TNP's influence runs a little too strong throughout NSGP for those approvals to stand.

It was never going to make quorum....

[ShrewLlamaLand]

That's exactly what delegate bumping is. Simply, a Delegate's approval of a proposal is removed if they are displaced as Delegate.

TNP's counter-campaign telegram wasn't quite effective enough to ensure the proposal I submitted would be brought below quorum, so they had to come along and delegate bump a couple dozen regions just to make sure.

At least some people liked my joke proposal, including the Delegates for The Rejected Realms and The Order of the Grey Wardens who had temporarily approved it, but of course TNP's influence runs a little too strong throughout NSGP for those approvals to stand.

It was never going to make quorum....

It certainly was, even despite TNP's counter-campaign telegram we were within 10 approvals with about 17 hours to go last I checked before the quorum raid.

If neither of those had occurred, it would have made quorum fairly comfortably.

[WayNeacTia]

It was never going to make quorum....

It certainly was, even despite TNP's counter-campaign telegram we were within 10 approvals with about 17 hours to go last I checked before the quorum raid.

If neither of those had occurred, it would have made quorum fairly comfortably.

I say once again, it was never going to make quorum. It was an amusing try, and I do like amusing. That being said, it was never going to vote. You know this, I know this, and anybody with any sort of experience around here knows this....

[Umbratellus]

It certainly was, even despite TNP's counter-campaign telegram we were within 10 approvals with about 17 hours to go last I checked before the quorum raid.

If neither of those had occurred, it would have made quorum fairly comfortably.

I say once again, it was never going to make quorum. It was an amusing try, and I do like amusing. That being said, it was never going to vote. You know this, I know this, and anybody with any sort of experience around here knows this....

The very existence of a counter-campaign is a de-facto admission that a proposal is likely to achieve quorum. No one will conduct a campaign against Super Straight Month because it is understood that it has 0% chance of ever making it to a vote. Sending telegrams out against a proposal is an admission of its present success; doing a delegate bumping effort is a sign of its likely future admission to the floor. Would it succeed there? Unlikely. It probably would have gotten there, though.

[WayNeacTia]

I say once again, it was never going to make quorum. It was an amusing try, and I do like amusing. That being said, it was never going to vote. You know this, I know this, and anybody with any sort of experience around here knows this....

The very existence of a counter-campaign is a de-facto admission that a proposal is likely to achieve quorum. No one will conduct a campaign against Super Straight Month because it is understood that it has 0% chance of ever making it to a vote. Sending telegrams out against a proposal is an admission of its present success; doing a delegate bumping effort is a sign of its likely future admission to the floor. Would it succeed there? Unlikely. It probably would have gotten there, though.

Apparently the point sailed right over your head. When I say it was never going to vote, that's because I know it was never going to vote. Given who the author is, and given the nature of the proposal, it was ALWAYS going to be quorum raided. Whether or not that is an admission of anything means diddly fucking squat. A proposal either makes it to vote or it doesn't. This isn't curling. "Almost" doesn't mean shit.....

[ShrewLlamaLand]

I say once again, it was never going to make quorum. It was an amusing try, and I do like amusing. That being said, it was never going to vote. You know this, I know this, and anybody with any sort of experience around here knows this....

The very existence of a counter-campaign is a de-facto admission that a proposal is likely to achieve quorum. No one will conduct a campaign against Super Straight Month because it is understood that it has 0% chance of ever making it to a vote. Sending telegrams out against a proposal is an admission of its present success; doing a delegate bumping effort is a sign of its likely future admission to the floor. Would it succeed there? Unlikely. It probably would have gotten there, though.

I think what Wayneactia is trying to say is that TNP's counter-campaign and quorum raiding were inevitable, and for that reason it was never going to make quorum. To this I don't actually disagree, as while I certainly had the raw number of approvals to take the proposal to vote they just weren't going to let that happen.

It's okay. I got a good laugh out of it, and I know that many CCD nations and NSGP regulars alike did too. As tiring and predictable as TNP's quorum raids are, well, that's just it... they've become very predictable as I said here a week ago, well before this was even submitted: viewtopic.php?p=39696735#p39696735

[Madjack]

TNP opposing fascist regions using the World Assembly to advance themselves is something everyone should be able to predict, Nostradamus.

[Sedgistan]

Is there a point at which TNP wouldn't consider CCD as "fascist"? What would they need to change to accomplish that?

[Madjack]

Is there a point at which TNP wouldn't consider CCD as "fascist"? What would they need to change to accomplish that?

Speaking for myself and not for TNP, as I'm no longer in government, dissolution of the region and the expulsion of those who are fascist or who allowed fascism to propagate - i.e. Jocospor and Shrewllamaland at a minimum.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

TNP opposing fascist regions using the World Assembly to advance themselves is something everyone should be able to predict, Nostradamus.

The Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is not a fascist region, no matter how much TNP wishes that were the case.

I think, quite frankly, your actions would be much better recieved if you just came out and said outright "we don't like CCD" rather than repeating the same blatant lie to justify your region's bullshit.

[Madjack]

It's well known we don't like CCD due to your attacks on our region, it doesn't need repeating.

But you have managed to fool some people into thinking you aren't fascist any longer, so it's more important to say that you are.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

But you have managed to fool some people into thinking you aren't fascist any longer, so it's more important to say that you are.

To clarify, are you accusing the region itself, or me (i.e. the player behind this nation) of being fascist?

[Morover]

It was never going to make quorum....

It certainly was, even despite TNP's counter-campaign telegram we were within 10 approvals with about 17 hours to go last I checked before the quorum raid.

If neither of those had occurred, it would have made quorum fairly comfortably.

To be clear, this is not an indication that TNP's influence "runs a little too strong" - counter-campaigns do next to nothing in reducing approvals, and any halfway-decent campaign telegram will get to vote. As much as I may dislike quorum-raiding, this is not indicative of some TNP WA power that may or may not exist - any decently sized region with a military presence (really of any more than a few competent people) can effectively quorum-raid if the proposal is prone to it, which your proposal is. Because of your reputation, most major delegates obviously try to steer far clear of the proposal. So, the remaining delegates often have low endorsement counts which makes it incredibly easy for just a few people to endorse second-place and get them over the edge. Like I said, this is not a symptom of TNP influence - it's just a sign of continually low support towards the CCD, which is to be expected.

Delegates of TRR and Grey Wardens probably approved it as a joke and unapproved when it got anywhere close to quorum, outside of TNP influence. They can feel free to confirm or deny this, but I really don't think TNP could do much to change their minds if they genuinely wanted to approve it for it to get to quorum.

Just my two cents.