Valtarre wrote:Comfed wrote:You appear to have accidentally addressed the inconvenient truth, which is that that, for all intents and purposes, Warzone Trinidad is a vassal of the Brotherhood of Malice. Semantics aside, the Murder Inc. Corporate Charter has the effect of requiring Warzone Trinidad to participate in military operations if it is requested by BoM. You are correct insofar as, yes, that provision of the treaty is one which vassalizes the Warzone Trinidad Mafia to BoM.Bormiar wrote:Ok... WZT cozied up to raiders, turning themselves into a vassal state of BoM
Incredible. You two have managed to construct this entire narrative while ignoring the singular other section in Article 3, wherein the Mafia has the same right to request assistance from Malice on their own operations. Are you now going to argue that we have vassalized ourselves to WZT?
Valtarre wrote:Comfed wrote:If you wish to maintain BoM's snake-oil "friendship," than that is entirely your prerogative, although I would note that BoM has not even lifted a finger to defend you against the two destructive raids you have suffered.Comfed wrote:I have a reasonably clear understanding of the way in which "raider treaties" - by which I assume you mean the treaties signed between the regions of the Brotherhood of Malice sphere of raiding - work differently from treaties between other regions. Treaties between other regions tend to be based around mutual respect and friendship. On the other hand, treaties with the sort of region you associate with are, almost without exception, based on a formalizing a relationship by which one region asserts its dominance over another. The absurd nature of the relationship between Warzone Trinidad and BoM, where they are supposedly allied, but BoM has never been required to come to the defence of its warzone "ally," is illustrative.
Ah, this tired old talking point. One day, folks like you will learn that the world does not revolve around your outsider assumptions of how diplomacy works between Malice and its allies. Of course, you already know that our working relationship is real and meaningful, given that you spent the entire day up to this point wrongfully portraying WZT as a Malice front. It should be obvious to everyone reading this that you really have no idea what you're talking about, and are just throwing narratives at the wall to see what sticks.
It would be ludicrous to claim that a UCR with an executive governor and a strong military presence could ever be considered the vassal of a warzone that has neither. The Warzone Trinidad Mafia has not conducted, so far as I am aware, a politically significant operation in its entire history, and likely does not have the capacity to do so even if it wanted to. Considering the other end of the treaty, the Brotherhood of Malice regularly conducts aggressive military operations against defender, independent, and neutral regions with the ready and eager support of pre-eminent members of Warzone Trinidad. Indeed, Texico, the "HR Director" of Warzone Trinidad, implicitly admitted earlier in this thread that the relationship between BoM and WZT more closely resembles a protection racket more than any sort of alliance between equals.
Valtarre wrote:Comfed wrote:Of course, it is hardly surprising that the provision has never been invoked, because WZT is a region whose membership is almost entirely cosmopolitan. Asking for units representing WZT is rather redundant when those units are already present from the various other raider military organizations they are a part of, which together form a sphere of regions subordinate to BoM interests.
A supposedly neutral region such as The East Pacific really has no grounds to object to our attack on what is essentially a front for BoM members and affiliates.
Your entire basis for this narrative seems to be based on the presence of a handful of cross-members between our regions and a farcical reading of our treaty. I look forward to your expanded analysis of interregional cosmopolitanism. I apologize to The Rejected Realms in advance, as soon Comfed may learn how many citizens are also present in the Brotherhood. Undoubtedly, our very consistent friend will be loudly and humorously decrying TRR as a Malice front. He may even need a change of pants when he learns the delegate's family name.
There is an obvious difference between the cases of Warzone Trinidad and The Rejected Realms. The percentage of TRR citizens who are also members of BoM and its affiliated regions is far lower than the percentage of BoM members in Warzone Trinidad. TRR is a part of the Aegis Accords, as compared to Warzone Trinidad, which unfailingly associates with the "raider unity" faction dominated by BoM. The Rejected Realms Army is a historic and staunchly defender military with a substantial native membership, whereas the WZT Mafia is an upstart raider group composed almost entirely of members of other organizations. The two regions are not remotely comparable; the relatively small number of BoM members who are also citizens of TRR do not determine the direction of the region, while WZT's foreign policy is entirely determined by cross-members such as its "Director of Foreign Acquisitions," the Ambis.