Embassy of The North Pacific

by **Radicalania** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:19 pm

As the ~~former?~~ biggest Communist Region in NationStates we're disturbed to see TNP coming here and taking our title.

(Good job on the raids, hope to see more of it!)

by **Nimarya** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:20 pm

TNP's Ministry of Defense

On the major update of 1/31/2021, the NPA joined in an operation led by Lily to embark on a massive fash bash! The key target was CCD, which we were successful in Delegate bumping!

The following regions took part:
Lily
The Grey Wardens
Europeia
The North Pacific
The South Pacific
The West Pacific
The East Pacific
The Pacific
The Augustin Alliance

The following NPA soldiers participated:
[GEN] Nimarya
[GEN] QuietDad
[GEN] Gladio
[GEN] BluieGamer
[GEN] Bobberino
[COL] Rom
[SGT] Westinor
[PFC] East Isles

These were the regions the NPA helped to hit:

by **McMasterdonia** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:22 pm

Excellent job Nimarya and all members of the NPA and other organisations who participated :clap:

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by **Tim-Opolis** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:47 pm

It was great to work with LILY, TNP, TSP, etc on this great show of anti-fascist unity. Looking forward to doing it again!

by **Queen Yuno** » Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:02 am

LOVE
THIS
REGION
SO MUCH!

GOOD JOB those who were there

by **Unibot III** » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:33 am

Like what process did you guys use to identify each region as being fascist? Obviously some are fascist by name, but a lot of these regions listed are pretty innocuous? And CCD’s status as fascist is well disputed? Is there some kind of investigatory mechanism in place?

by **Fauxia** » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:58 am

So TGW raided at least one region with an embassy with them :eyebrow:

by **Nimarya** » Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:20 am

I think questions regarding the process of target selection would be better directed towards Lily, the organizers of the raid. That said, I can state with confidence that each of the regions hit either had the fascist tag or were significantly problematic in some other OOC way. Also, not every organization involved in the raid hit every target. Some were sat out by certain organizations, so it might be wise to verify which organization jumped where.

by **ShrewLlamaLand** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:46 am

Nimarya wrote:That said, I can state with confidence that each of the regions hit either had the fascist tag or were significantly problematic in some other OOC way.

Can I ask you to elaborate on how each of the following regions were problematic OOC. They clearly do not contain a fascist tag.

Confederation of Corrupt Dictators
Commonwealth of Liberty
Montealba
Dixie
The New World Alliance
The United World
Land of Orcs and Dorfs and Elfs
New CLand
Dominions
The West Atlantic Union
Reddit
Imperium Romanum Colonicum
The Independent Nations
The Commonwealth of Crowns
The United Nations of Military Power
The Sb
The Allied Nations
Alvaria
european roleplay
Alliance Francophone
The Everlit Torch

Of course I can't possibly keep up with everything, I'm sure some of these regions are indeed OOC problematic and I've just missed how.

That said, to me it looks like mostly a bunch of worthless tag raids on insignificant regions, which seems to be a specialty of Lily, although I'm not quite sure how they managed to pull so many organisations together for hits on 3 nation regions. Additionally there were a few hits on actual fascist regions (that, for the record, I think are well justified) so you could claim it as a "fash bash", and a CCD raid thrown in because TNP doesn't like us.

by **North Prarie** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:45 am

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Nimarya wrote:That said, I can state with confidence that each of the regions hit either had the fascist tag or were significantly problematic in some other OOC way.

Can I ask you to elaborate on how each of the following regions were problematic OOC. They clearly do not contain a fascist tag.

Maybe they don't have the fascist tag because....the coalition removed it.

by **Huks Gares** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:24 am

Press Release

New Delegate Directive
By Kastonvia
After the election, Delegate McMasterdonia has outlined five new articles in the Delegate Directives. This directive is regarding the Executive Council of The North Pacific and its continued activity in the event of a Delegate taking a temporary absence. The first article outlines the designation of Acting Chair and line of succession for Chair of the Executive Council. The second article outlines the responsibilities of the Acting Chair by continuing the business of government. Article three outlines two specific authorities of the Acting Chair. First, making announcements on behalf of the Executive Council only with their approval. Second, designating another chair in the event of their absence. Article four states that they do not have the authority to appoint or dismiss members of the council and members of staff appointed by the Delegate. The fifth article outlines when this directive comes into effect.

The Directive itself can be found here.

Foreign Affairs Update on Quorum Raiding
By Gorundu
On January 19, Delegate McMasterdonia released a statement to residents of The North Pacific in the Ministry of Defence forum, disclosing two quorum raid operations by the North Pacific Army (NPA) against an attempt by the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators (CCD) to repeal their own Liberation. The statement noted that individuals from Libcord had attempted to counter one of these operations, and that it necessitated a third operation.

On January 24, Delegate McMasterdonia made a follow-up statement regarding subsequent discussions with militaries associated with the aforementioned individuals from Libcord, which indicated that while The Grey Wardens had pledged not to interfere with the NPA's anti-fascist operations, the South Pacific Special Forces and the Rejected Realms Army have pledged to continue opposing these quorum raids.

After a statement by The South Pacific, the Government stood by its previous statements in a response jointly signed by the Executive Council one day later, which also detailed attempts at communication with the government of The South Pacific both prior and after the initial statement, to which The South Pacific was unwilling to engage. However, the Executive Council expressed that The North Pacific remains open to discuss these matters.

Defence Update
By Huks Gares
During a recent Major update, the North Pacific Army took part in an anti-fascist operation led by Lily, with the key target in the operation being the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators. This was a large operation with a total of 9 regions taking part, including: Lily, The Grey Wardens, Europeia, The South Pacific, The West Pacific, The East Pacific, The Pacific, and The Augustin Alliance. The operation was a success with the Delegate of CCD being bumped. Eight NPAers took part in this operation that underlines TNP's commitment to eradicating fascism from the game.

Embassy Review
By Huks Gares
Since the start of this term, Foreign Affairs Minister Praeceps has worked with the Diplomatic Corps to conduct a review of all of the embassies that our region has both on-site and off-site. After much deliberation and input from various individuals, Praeceps made their recommendations on this matter to the Delegate. This has resulted in A number of embassies being closed both in-game and on the forums. Additionally, we reached out to a number of regions in hopes of rejuvenating our relationships with them. If anyone has any questions relating to this embassy review, or Foreign Affairs in general, feel free to reach out to Praeceps and they will be sure to answer them.

Theme Thursday
By Bobberino
Theme Thursday is a weekly event run by the Ministry of Culture wherein the participants change their Discord avatars and nicknames either on TNP's RP server and/or more commonly in TNP's general server. This week, we had a theme regarding the 1990's decade, part of a brief Decades of Delirium if you will. Arc came in first place, with 2 and 2 is Fish and Kyle tying in second, with Vivanco and Kastonvia wrapping up the winners in third place with another tie. Next week will be the 2000's, so gather round, bring your Nintendo DS and copy of MarioKart DS, and come join us here.

Meme Contest
By Sanjurika
Culture started the year off strong by hosting a Meme Contest! Nations were invited to submit the "Meme-ist Meme" they could think of. The contest provided incentives for endorsing the then Delegate-Elect McMasterdonia. Nations who were endorsing the Delegate-Elect were awarded extra votes when voting. A total of 28 memes were submitted, covering a wide range of topics within NationStates (and a few unrelated topics). Voting took place over a 5 day period, with 15 individuals submitting their vote for what they thought was the best meme. The contest wrapped up with Em and Praetor tying for third place. Nimarya secured second place, and Wonderess won first place. You can view the winning memes here. You can also still view all submitted memes here.

The Ministry of Culture have also just announced the next competition that they will be running, a poetry contest. The theme of this competition is optimism, so anyone that sees themselves as TNP's next poet laureate should enter this competition. More details on the competition can be found here.

If anyone has any questions regarding the Press release, feel free to reach out to the Minister of Home Affairs Huks Gares.

by **ShrewLlamaLand** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:22 pm

North Prarie wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Can I ask you to elaborate on how each of the following regions were problematic OOC. They clearly do not contain a fascist tag.

Maybe they don't have the fascist tag because....the coalition removed it.

This is not the case, as it would clearly show in the activity feed.

by **Alfonzo** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:29 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
North Prarie wrote:Maybe they don't have the fascist tag because....the coalition removed it.

This is not the case, as it would clearly show in the activity feed.

fascist embassies were included as well.

by **ShrewLlamaLand** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:33 pm

Alfonzo wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:This is not the case, as it would clearly show in the activity feed.

fascist embassies were included as well.

Including at least one region... that your region also holds an embassy with?

I guess that makes TGW fascist by association?

by **Queen Yuno** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:55 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Alfonzo wrote:fascist embassies were included as well.

Including at least one region... that your region also holds an embassy with?

I guess that makes TGW fascist by association?

Quit strawmanning about dead regions lol

There's no need to strawman this. A bunch of active regions came together on a fash-bash tag raid, that's all there is to it. There's no deeper meaning here, it's as is.

All regions associated with us are against fascism.

Anyone who isn't needs to research why right wing extremism is bad and How to address it in communities. I'm stopping here because this isn't General

Have a good one

by **ShrewLlamaLand** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:04 pm

Queen Yuno wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Including at least one region... that your region also holds an embassy with?

I guess that makes TGW fascist by association?

Quit strawmanning about dead regions lol

There's no need to strawman this. A bunch of active regions came together on a fash-bash tag raid, that's all there is to it. There's no deeper meaning here, it's as is.

It's an entirely logical conclusion to draw from TNP's statement.

A TNP officer not only mentioned, but could "state with confidence" that all regions hit had a fascist tag or were significantly problematic in some other OOC way. The only logical conclusion to make is that holding embassies with other problematic regions makes a region problematic itself - and thus TGW must also be problematic.

Of course, I don't genuinely think TGW is problematic OOC - either TNP having incompetent leadership that genuinely didn't know the reason behind their own raid they participated in, or deliberately releasing yet another misleading public statement, are both far more likely conclusions to draw from the above.

by **ROM** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:35 pm

Wait this is the gotcha moment that TNP has this big incompetent government is... one of the orgs that we work with every once in a blue moon happened to hit a region they have an embassy with on a fash bash OP that the NPA also participated in? Some dots are surely being connected here. Maybe you should come back here with some actual claims before you make your region seem even more incompetent because wow you are a professional at grasping straws.

by **The Notorious Mad Jack** » Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:02 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:The only logical conclusion to make is that holding embassies with other problematic regions makes a region problematic itself - and thus TGW must also be problematic.

Of course, I don't genuinely think TGW is problematic OOC - either TNP having incompetent leadership that genuinely didn't know the reason behind their own raid they participated in, or deliberately releasing yet another misleading public statement, are both far more likely conclusions to draw from the above.

This is your dumbest take yet. Go back into your hole, CCD, no one cares what you think.

by **The Moonstar** » Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:38 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Queen Yuno wrote:

Quit strawmanning about dead regions lol

There's no need to strawman this. A bunch of active regions came together on a fash-bash tag raid, that's all there is to it. There's no deeper meaning here, it's as is.

It's an entirely logical conclusion to draw from TNP's statement.

A TNP officer not only mentioned, but could "state with confidence" that all regions hit had a fascist tag or were significantly problematic in some other OOC way. The only logical conclusion to make is that holding embassies with other problematic regions makes a region problematic itself - and thus TGW must also be problematic.

Of course, I don't genuinely think TGW is problematic OOC - either TNP having incompetent leadership that genuinely didn't know the reason behind their own raid they participated in, or deliberately releasing yet another misleading public statement, are both far more likely conclusions to draw from the above.

Why do you come to the big kid playground to play like a big kid when you're still wearing diaper pants in terms of gameplay politics?

by **ShrewLlamaLand** » Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:58 pm

I'll reply to one of the above posts that actually addresses my post rather than insulting either me or my region. I'm not really sure what the point is in cluttering up TNP's thread to say "CCD bad", so if you can't actually address my post I'm not sure why you bother responding.

ROM wrote:Wait this is the gotcha moment that TNP has this big incompetent government is... one of the orgs that we work with every once in a blue moon happened to hit a region they have an embassy with on a fash bash OP that the NPA also participated in? Some dots are surely being connected here. Maybe you should come back here with some actual claims before you make your region seem even more incompetent because wow you are a professional at grasping straws.

I think there's some sort of misunderstanding here. I have no problem with the raids conducted, or the fact that an embassy region of TGW was hit, this isn't what I was pointing out.

My only problem was with deliberately mislabeling the raids as a "fash bash" when the prime target was CCD, and the majority of other targets were 3 nation region tag raids. These aren't hits on actual OOC fascist regions.

The fact that a TNP officer could supposedly "state with confidence" that all regions hit had a fascist tag or were significantly problematic in some other OOC way, when this clearly was not the case, shows that TNP either is deliberately making misleading statements, or lacks a fundamental understanding of the raid their own region participated in.

by **Crazy girl** » Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:40 pm

The Moonstar wrote:
Why do you come to the big kid playground to play like a big kid when you're still wearing diaper pants in terms of gameplay politics?

Unofficial warning for flame baiting. Knock it off.

by **Unibot III** » Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:23 pm

Like... doesn't he bring up a good point?

The "if you have an embassy with a 'fascist' region, you're fascist" policy is weak and flimsy justification - embassies are often barely investigated when regions accept them, same goes for WA approvals. TGW themselves had an embassy with one of these regions.

I can see why invaders would be happy invading regions with this kind of loose policy, but shouldn't defenders at least ... I dunno.. want to telegram the regions impacted first? This just seems like an unnecessary and invasive approach. You're going after regions with probably little to no connection at all to fascism and labelling the invasions a "fash bash." And then accusing players of appeasing "right-wing extremism" for not wanting to see innocent regions invaded.

It's odd to see defenders a-okay regions being invaded because they have an embassy with the wrong region. The whole point of defending is that regions have a right to internal regional sovereignty - do embassies of all things really cross the limits of that sovereignty? What even is the right to sovereignty at that point if it's watered down that much?

by **Topid** » Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:38 pm

If you want to be a hammer bad enough, you may need to expand your definition of a nail if they become rare enough.

by **Varanius** » Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:56 pm

I’m sure they’ll take your opinion into consideration Unibot. :roll:

by **The Notorious Mad Jack** » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:02 pm

If we wanted input from the fash and... whatever it is Unibot counts as nowadays on our policies and target selection, we'd put out a news bulletin asking for a collective sanity check, because clearly we'd have lost our damn minds.

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