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by Dreadton » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:51 am
by Imperium of Josh » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:55 am
Dreadton wrote:How about yall move the conversation about NSToday to their thread?
by Syberis » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:47 am
Bormiar wrote:Bran Astor wrote:I guess NST's favoritism for TWP explains why our delegate transition last November, various monthly festivals, and the latest treaty ratification were all so exhaustively covered.
Obviously it’s not favoritism for TWP per se, rather favoritism for people within this gameplay social circle, of which more TWPers tend to be influential members of than other regions. I’m sure there are influential members of TWP who NST has seemingly never heard of, and I’d be interested to here them.
Additionally, lack of coverage does not mean bias. It just means that the writers aren’t interested in writing on it. It would mean bias if the administration weren’t encouraging coverage of certain regions, but Wym made it clear they want more coverage of TWP earlier. Bias towards regions like TWP is reflected wherever NST’s opinion shows: i.e. the podcasts and Power20.
If you want to claim that the Power20 isn’t biased, you’re actually suggesting that TWPers and Osirans (among other regions) are actually more influential (and therefore likely more competent) in gameplay than people from regions like TNP. That’s because something has to be accurate to not be biased.
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by Bormiar » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:18 pm
Syberis wrote:Bormiar wrote:Obviously it’s not favoritism for TWP per se, rather favoritism for people within this gameplay social circle, of which more TWPers tend to be influential members of than other regions. I’m sure there are influential members of TWP who NST has seemingly never heard of, and I’d be interested to here them.
Additionally, lack of coverage does not mean bias. It just means that the writers aren’t interested in writing on it. It would mean bias if the administration weren’t encouraging coverage of certain regions, but Wym made it clear they want more coverage of TWP earlier. Bias towards regions like TWP is reflected wherever NST’s opinion shows: i.e. the podcasts and Power20.
If you want to claim that the Power20 isn’t biased, you’re actually suggesting that TWPers and Osirans (among other regions) are actually more influential (and therefore likely more competent) in gameplay than people from regions like TNP. That’s because something has to be accurate to not be biased.
Considering TNP doesn't do as much as they could to actually engage the wider game, odds are the general GPer outside of TNP's specific sphere hears about individual people in TNP and simply asks "Who?"
That would be indicative a lack of influence over the general GP environment. You're acting like there's a major insult being given here when instead it's a whole bunch of salt over a listicle. It's one step up from a buzzfeed quiz on the list of "things one shouldn't get all that mad about unless it's deliberately made to insult them."
by Syberis » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:28 pm
Bormiar wrote:I don’t think you realize that the whole point behind the article was that the average TNPer doesn’t get involved in this NSGP social circle, so they aren’t as represented. That doesn’t encompass the general gameplay environment, and Bran likely knows that. I may have been wrong to suggest that he may consider TNPers to be less competent though.
I think when I was a governor I subtly made fun of them by suggesting that they do more list-style articles. However, they take themselves seriously, and clearly others take them seriously. Else they wouldn’t have all those panelists and people wouldn’t put up such a defense of the admins’ pinning the Power20 in the NSGP server. Believe me, I would love if everyone treated this list as you do.
And it’s more than just a list. The entire org is biased.
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by Tim-Opolis » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:38 pm
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by Bormiar » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:56 pm
Syberis wrote:Bormiar wrote:I don’t think you realize that the whole point behind the article was that the average TNPer doesn’t get involved in this NSGP social circle, so they aren’t as represented. That doesn’t encompass the general gameplay environment, and Bran likely knows that. I may have been wrong to suggest that he may consider TNPers to be less competent though.
I think when I was a governor I subtly made fun of them by suggesting that they do more list-style articles. However, they take themselves seriously, and clearly others take them seriously. Else they wouldn’t have all those panelists and people wouldn’t put up such a defense of the admins’ pinning the Power20 in the NSGP server. Believe me, I would love if everyone treated this list as you do.
And it’s more than just a list. The entire org is biased.
They aren't as represented because they aren't as generally influential over NSGP. That's the point I'm trying to make, and the one I don't think you get. TNP isn't something that most players actually weigh when they do anything specifically outside of WA affairs, and even then... it's more as a Big NumberTM and less as traditional political influence.
This whole article is basically an angry rant that TNPers were excluded. It's not something that one would expect from a region with political influence, and the general lack of agreement and open apathy basically proves that the article's argument, which hinges around TNP being this influential region to the greater GP sphere, just isn't the case on the international scale anymore. I can count on one hand the number of truly influential TNPers over the last 4 years, and the second most prominent of those is currently banned from TNP and has been for some time.
By all means, TNP, step up and prove me wrong here, it would be great to see y'all again.
Tim-Opolis wrote:Bormiar, I'd like to consider myself pretty tuned in to Gameplay all-in-all, and I still consistently have to ask ask people on the side to remind me who you.
The "NSGP Social Circle" that people so often go on about ultimately holds a significant amount of influence, and considering how ultimately non-exclusive that diplomatic hub is, it very much does tend to encompass a significant portion of the Gameplay environment. While there's certainly groups and people more active there than others, they also frequently use the connections made there to further overall IC goals. Mind you, the list isn't infallible (and the most recent version did have some questionable picks), but I don't think there's any particular bias against The North Pacific rather than the simple reality that The North Pacific's people don't get out much.
by Syberis » Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:10 pm
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by United Federated States of Omega » Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:56 pm
Bormiar wrote: Bias towards regions like TWP is reflected wherever NST’s opinion shows: i.e. the podcasts and Power20.
by Bormiar » Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:10 pm
Syberis wrote:You're currently defending this tantrum of an article, and aggressively attempting to stand up for TNP's honor, which says a lot about how much influence they have. You are the peak of TNP influence in regards to this dilemma and, frankly, if you were involved in a government I was hypothetically running you would have been censured harshly for your behavior, as it looks terrible for the region. Any region that has to act in such a demeaning way to demand respect is one with not as much influence over the goings-on of this game as they think.
Real powers don't complain that people aren't recognizing their power. If the list was false, a strong power would merely joke about it and move on.
Syberis wrote:You're currently defending this tantrum of an article, and aggressively attempting to stand up for TNP's honor, which says a lot about how much influence they have.
Syberis wrote:Real powers don't complain that people aren't recognizing their power. If the list was false, a strong power would merely joke about it and move on.
Syberis wrote:You are the peak of TNP influence in regards to this dilemma and, frankly, if you were involved in a government I was hypothetically running you would have been censured harshly for your behavior, as it looks terrible for the region.
Syberis wrote:Any region that has to act in such a demeaning way to demand respect is one with not as much influence over the goings-on of this game as they think.
by Syberis » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:00 pm
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:28 pm
by Syberis » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:47 pm
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:So, how did everyone like our interview with TEP delegate Libertany?
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by Gorundu » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:46 am
Syberis wrote:Third, to have GP influence, one must interact with GP, surprisingly. Refusing to engage with it means one doesn't have influence, as they can't... Influence anything? Outside the WA. I'll grant you that you have the ability to impact nation stats and give people shiny badges, that's a good point you made earlier. What would we do without that.
Fourth, the statement that you're the peak of TNP involvement is a statement of fact. You're the only one here. Nobody else is as involved in this thread as you. It's not an insult to TNP to state a fact.
You're not doing yourself any favors responding to an armchair nobody, honestly.
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:So, how did everyone like our interview with TEP delegate Libertany?
by RiderSyl » Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:28 am
Gorundu wrote:Because involvement in Gameplay is talking in the Gameplay forums and Discord, and not, like, actual gameplay such as R/D, WA, or interregional diplomacy, of course.
by Syberis » Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:41 am
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by Drop Your Pants » Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:44 am
RiderSyl wrote:ah yes the infamous inter-regional diplomat gameplayers, how dare we forget them
by Dendarii Mercenaries » Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:46 am
Syberis wrote:Considering TNP doesn't do as much as they could to actually engage the wider game
Tim-Opolis wrote:but I don't think there's any particular bias against The North Pacific rather than the simple reality that The North Pacific's people don't get out much.
by RiderSyl » Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:12 am
Dendarii Mercenaries wrote:Syberis wrote:Considering TNP doesn't do as much as they could to actually engage the wider gameTim-Opolis wrote:but I don't think there's any particular bias against The North Pacific rather than the simple reality that The North Pacific's people don't get out much.
Wrong. Wrong.
I see consistently and interact or others with people from both TNP and TWP quite often outside both's region/offsite. Can't say the same for Osiris which I have nothing to do with region/offsite. This does not mean Osirans do not interact or are not known well abroad, but neither does that also apply to TNP. Because on the other hand, someone can be in the exact reverse position as mine with TNP and Osiris and from that perspective assume that TNP is exactly as Syberis/Tim states while I would see them as wrong and say it's Osiris instead that is that and not TNP. But I know better then to assume Osirans are not out and about.
by Dendarii Mercenaries » Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:35 pm
RiderSyl wrote:Dendarii Mercenaries wrote:
Wrong. Wrong.
I see consistently and interact or others with people from both TNP and TWP quite often outside both's region/offsite. Can't say the same for Osiris which I have nothing to do with region/offsite. This does not mean Osirans do not interact or are not known well abroad, but neither does that also apply to TNP. Because on the other hand, someone can be in the exact reverse position as mine with TNP and Osiris and from that perspective assume that TNP is exactly as Syberis/Tim states while I would see them as wrong and say it's Osiris instead that is that and not TNP. But I know better then to assume Osirans are not out and about.
cool then name a TNPer that got snubbed from the Power20
by Bormiar » Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:49 pm
RiderSyl wrote:Dendarii Mercenaries wrote:
Wrong. Wrong.
I see consistently and interact or others with people from both TNP and TWP quite often outside both's region/offsite. Can't say the same for Osiris which I have nothing to do with region/offsite. This does not mean Osirans do not interact or are not known well abroad, but neither does that also apply to TNP. Because on the other hand, someone can be in the exact reverse position as mine with TNP and Osiris and from that perspective assume that TNP is exactly as Syberis/Tim states while I would see them as wrong and say it's Osiris instead that is that and not TNP. But I know better then to assume Osirans are not out and about.
cool then name a TNPer that got snubbed from the Power20
by RiderSyl » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:08 pm
by Drop Your Pants » Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:20 pm
RiderSyl wrote:congrats, i give up, you two "win" the internet argument. i just can't be assed dealing with people acting so toxic over such inconsequential shit.
by Great Algerstonia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:34 pm
Resilient Acceleration wrote:After a period of letting this discussion run its course without my involvement due to sheer laziness and a new related NS project, I have returned with an answer and that answer is Israel.
by RiderSyl » Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:13 pm
Great Algerstonia wrote:Be the change you wish to see
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