The Overpoliticization of Gameplay and Defender Deceit

[Unibot II]

And if we consider Christian regions, they've invaded 15% of Christian founderless regions.... so we could choose to cherrypick which subsections make your study look good or we could recognize that's its rather odd for Muslim targets to be on par with Science Fiction targets in general.

Concluding our analysis of the results of our quantitative experiment, we want to point out a common fallacy that has also manifested itself in the case at stake. Unibot has used whatever data he provided and his line of reasoning to infer that the group TBR as a whole is Islamophobic. He failed, then, to consider the alternative; that only certain high-ranking members of TBR involved in target selection are Islamophobic, and not the group overall.

Or you could do your facts correctly, I have already stated that I do not think the entire group is Islamophobic -- that would be silly since I've talked with enough TBRers in confidence to know many of them are frustrated with the private islamophobia of their group's Gen. Staff.

What I have stated is: while people in TBR who -know- of these sentiments are harboring their leaders and don't step forward to criticize them at the very least -- I will harp on the institution itself. So how about you back off about your essay on how I've "failed" to recognize alternatives? Your alternative is my main thought on the matter -- but harping simply on the Gen. Staff will not change anything while it's the troops that are keeping silent -- they know it's wrong and they know the victims of hate on NationStates deserve less silence on the issue.

[Gest]

it's the troops that are keeping silent -- they know it's wrong and they know the victims of hate on NationStates deserve less silence on the issue.

Preposterous. Yeah there's a huge mass of proletariat TBR members just weeping over the General Staff's oppression of the Muslims. We're TBR we don't have any warm fuzzy feeling for founderless natives and all troops are taught to eliminate any feeling for the founderless. The day any of my troopers says "We shouldn't do X because the natives will have their feelings hurt" they'll be gone faster than you can say TBR.

Really what was the point of that line. It can't possibly be true and even if it was it would have no effect. What are these fictional troops going to do? Revolt? Viva le Revolucion!:palm:

[Feuer Ritter]

"We are the black riders, you will be assimilated!"

Our recruiting line

[General Halcones]

It is a shame you resort to such propaganda tactics, Uni. I guess though, you can win no other way.

Everyone in TBR is all one - we have no disagreements. TBR has never singled out any class of regions, but now we are certainly considering it in response to these delusional allegations.

[Cromarty]

It is a shame you resort to such propaganda tactics, Uni. I guess though, you can win no other way.

You realise it's almost impossible to win against your kind of avoid opposition raiding? Yes your timing is impressive but you're essentially playing with yourself.

Everyone in TBR is all one - we have no disagreements.

I know this is a lie.

TBR has never singled out any class of regions, but now we are certainly considering it in response to these delusional allegations.

Translation: yes we were singling out Muslim regions, and now you've given us an excuse to do it openly!

You stay classy Halc.

[Cormac Stark]

It is a shame you resort to such propaganda tactics, Uni. I guess though, you can win no other way.

Everyone in TBR is all one - we have no disagreements. TBR has never singled out any class of regions, but now we are certainly considering it in response to these delusional allegations.

"We don't have anything against Muslims, honest, but please excuse us while we go grief them a lot -- it's all Unibot's fault!"

Stay classy, guys.

EDIT: Get out of my brain Georgie.

[Tramiar]

It is a shame you resort to such propaganda tactics, Uni. I guess though, you can win no other way.

Everyone in TBR is all one - we have no disagreements. TBR has never singled out any class of regions, but now we are certainly considering it in response to these delusional allegations.

"We don't have anything against Muslims, honest, but please excuse us while we go grief them a lot -- it's all Unibot's fault!"

Stay classy, guys.

Yep, cause raiding someone means you hate them in RL.

[Cromarty]

Yep, cause raiding someone means you hate them in RL.

Aside from Blackbirds more... unique view on R/D, no one has claimed this.

[General Halcones]

I know this is a lie.

Prove it.

[Cromarty]

I know this is a lie.

Prove it.

Tim and Camwood frequently clash.

Both are in TBR.

Proven.

[Tramiar]

Yep, cause raiding someone means you hate them in RL.

Aside from Blackbirds more... unique view on R/D, no one has claimed this.

So, what exactly are you claiming? That you are afraid of those you raid? Cause... we're raiding hippies at the moment.

[General Halcones]

I was under the impression Tim had left TBR? He was never a proper member. He always hangs around places and often causes trouble. You picked out a non-example. Try again.

[Cormac Stark]

I was under the impression Tim had left TBR? He was never a proper member. He always hangs around places and often causes trouble. You picked out a non-example. Try again.

Fairly sure he was a Corporal. What rank do you need to be a proper member?

[General Halcones]

You don't get it. Tim rarely stays loyal to one place. He's more of a freelancer, hopping around all over. You picked a poor example. Now please give me another.

[Feuer Ritter]

I was under the impression Tim had left TBR? He was never a proper member. He always hangs around places and often causes trouble. You picked out a non-example. Try again.

Fairly sure he was a Corporal. What rank do you need to be a proper member?

He was/is a sargeant

[General Halcones]

He is currently inactive in TBR.

[Cromarty]

I was under the impression Tim had left TBR? He was never a proper member. He always hangs around places and often causes trouble. You picked out a non-example. Try again.

'Not a real member'. He was only involved in just about every major raid TBR did before you came back. Hell, he's mentioned in over 50% of the updates in this thread over the first two pages.

He is currently inactive in TBR.

Which a) doesn't mean he's left and b) kindof goes against your assertion he's not 'a real member'.

It also amuses me that you don't even know who's on your staff.

[Cormac Stark]

You don't get it. Tim rarely stays loyal to one place. He's more of a freelancer, hopping around all over. You picked a poor example. Now please give me another.

Tim was/is a Sergeant and not only participated in TBR raids, but led them. So, no, I'm not going to give you another example and nobody else should either. The examples you were given were valid and I'm not going to continue this here so as not to threadjack. If you'd like to discuss why someone who has contributed quite a bit to TBR "was never a proper member," I'm happy to have that discussion over in TBR's embassy for newer members and potential recruits to observe that Halcones, rather than their contributions, determine whether they're real members of TBR.

[Feuer Ritter]

Tim was never against raiding muslim regions, so I don't see were you're getting at

[General Halcones]

Do remember I only just came back. You cannot expect me to know everything that has gone on in the year I was absent.

[Sichuan Pepper]

Let me get you up to speed. Tim invades. Tim pretends to go defender. Tim goes back to raiding. Tim pretends to go defender and gain some a government position to justify gaining a lot of endorsements.
Tim at some point tries to coup a feeder for TBR

EDIT: Typo police pulled me over

I wonder if I was sending a subliminal message or something spooky @.@ Tim typed as Time four times!! That's kind of creepy

[Tramiar]

Let me get you up to speed. Tim invades. Time pretends to go defender. Time goes back to raiding. Time pretends to go defender and gain some a government position to justify gaining a lot of endorsements.
Time at some point tries to coup a feeder for TBR

I like having Time on our side... but what does this have to do with time? I thought we were talking about Tim?

[Sichuan Pepper]

Fixed!!
Enough with my derail. Back to the show!

[Cinistra]

Interesting debate . Where does it lead? TBR being ultra bad guys, or just bad guys?

[Gest]

rofl: I know this is a lie.

Yes I know it's hard for you the perpetual curmudgeon whose gameplay experience was in the UDL to believe that an organization can function without drama. TBR is composed of all sort of players with all sorts of opinions and backgrounds; however, when the time to raid comes we don't put up with any petty NS drama from any member.

Really what's with the gotcha on Tim. Halcones has been gone for a year and Tim went inactive before he got back. Halcones simply had no way to know Tim's role in the organization. Tim was a Sergeant, a decent rank but not a high ranking member, in fact we lead privates lead raids. Not sure how what Tim and Islam have to do anyhow?