The Overpoliticization of Gameplay and Defender Deceit

[Unibot II]

Let me get you up to speed. Tim invades. Tim pretends to go defender. Tim goes back to raiding. Tim pretends to go defender and gain some a government position to justify gaining a lot of endorsements.

Moreover, Halcones sent him to defend with us as an infiltration mission in Sept 2011 according to Tim. So I don't see why Halcones should be picking on Tim for switching when it was his order.

Furthermore, joining TNP is not "going" defender.

[Unibot II]

Preposterous. Yeah there's a huge mass of proletariat TBR members just weeping over the General Staff's oppression of the Muslims. We're TBR we don't have any warm fuzzy feeling for founderless natives and all troops are taught to eliminate any feeling for the founderless. The day any of my troopers says "We shouldn't do X because the natives will have their feelings hurt" they'll be gone faster than you can say TBR.

The obvious explanation is: players feel there is a difference between raiding for fun and chaos and raiding for hate. From your reaction here, you certainly aren't acting like I've just accused some of your group's members of "not having feeling for natives", you're acting like I've accused some members of your group of something much more unacceptable. Which I agree, it is more unacceptable, because it certainly crosses any sort of GP-IC line. Why you would deny this now is .. beyond me!

[Cromarty]

rofl: I know this is a lie.

Yes I know it's hard for you the perpetual curmudgeon whose gameplay experience was in the UDL to believe that an organization can function without drama.

Whilst I may not be experienced in what I'm sure is a very vibrant and diverse group of graffiti artists, to suggest my only gameplay experience 'was' in the UDL is ignorant. Not your fault of course, as I'm relatively unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but ignorant nonetheless.

Not sure how what Tim and Islam have to do anyhow?

This entire tangent was to do with Halc's claim that people in TBR don't have any disagreements.

[A Million Voices]

During the past week, Unibot has, on multiple occasions, made the claim that The Black Raiders (TBR) are an Islamophobic organization, by virtue of the regions they select as targets for their raids. A similar claim was made in an update released by the United Defenders League (UDL) on September 19th, 2012. Below, we take an investigative look at these claims...

...This post brought to you by the Osiran MythBusters: r3naissanc3r, Earth, Tim, Biyah, and Neavilos.

Beautiful essay guys. You unpacked the numbers and presented it far better than I could have.

[Gest]

Preposterous. Yeah there's a huge mass of proletariat TBR members just weeping over the General Staff's oppression of the Muslims. We're TBR we don't have any warm fuzzy feeling for founderless natives and all troops are taught to eliminate any feeling for the founderless. The day any of my troopers says "We shouldn't do X because the natives will have their feelings hurt" they'll be gone faster than you can say TBR.

The obvious explanation is: players feel there is a difference between raiding for fun and chaos and raiding for hate. From your reaction here, you certainly aren't acting like I've just accused some of your group's members of "not having feeling for natives", you're acting like I've accused some members of your group of something much more unacceptable. Which I agree, it is more unacceptable, because it certainly crosses any sort of GP-IC line. Why you would deny this now is .. beyond me!

What I said was that I don't believe these members you've mentioned confiding in you about how they're concerned about the General Staff's Islamophobia actually exist. If they do then please show me some evidence so that I may court martial them myself.

Edit: It was Tim all along. You could have just said Tim.

[Osiran MythBusters]

During the past week, Unibot has, on multiple occasions, made the claim that The Black Raiders (TBR) are an Islamophobic organization, by virtue of the regions they select as targets for their raids. A similar claim was made in an update released by the United Defenders League (UDL) on September 19th, 2012. Below, we take an investigative look at these claims...

...This post brought to you by the Osiran MythBusters: r3naissanc3r, Earth, Tim, Biyah, and Neavilos.

Beautiful essay guys. You unpacked the numbers and presented it far better than I could have.

Thank you very much. ^.^

And if we consider Christian regions, they've invaded 15% of Christian founderless regions.... so we could choose to cherrypick which subsections make your study look good or we could recognize that's its rather odd for Muslim targets to be on par with Science Fiction targets in general.

That actually really is our point. Picking out that they are only targetting Islamic-regions is cherry picking. We provided other examples where the amount was disproportionately high--and yet the only attack on them was "Islamophobia", not star-hating or anti-alliance. I could check out regions with the word 'Fuzzy' in them and find a rate of 1/20 (I am making this number up, it's a random example) but that wouldn't change the fact that the rate where they are hitting Islam-related regions is not an extreme amount--so says the stats.

Picking out that they are Islamophobic is incorrect--they hit other "themes" just as much. Accusing them of Islamophobia is cherrypicking out of the higher percentages to find a desired result.

Or you could do your facts correctly, I have already stated that I do not think the entire group is Islamophobic -- that would be silly since I've talked with enough TBRers in confidence to know many of them are frustrated with the private islamophobia of their group's Gen. Staff.

What I have stated is: while people in TBR who -know- of these sentiments are harboring their leaders and don't step forward to criticize them at the very least -- I will harp on the institution itself. So how about you back off about your essay on how I've "failed" to recognize alternatives? Your alternative is my main thought on the matter -- but harping simply on the Gen. Staff will not change anything while it's the troops that are keeping silent -- they know it's wrong and they know the victims of hate on NationStates deserve less silence on the issue.

Okay, this post was in response to the official UDL release and previous quotes that you put out that accused TBR, as a whole, of Islamophobia. If you have proof of this "private Islamophobia" as you state in the quoted text, we suggest that it be released. If you have actual documents confirming it, release them--that's creates another issue entirely.

Now the essay states that you have failed to recognize alternative answers to the high statistics and why these regions were raided--such as seen in the second list in the previous post (convenient update times, endo numbers game, etc). That is was the essay is referring to with regards to alternative answers rather than jumping to the conclusing of "Islamophobia".

We are not going to respond to rhetoric regarding our essay or our conclusion; if you would like to challenge the data, you are welcome to--that we will most likely respond to (pending our own RL work). We worked off what was public information to us and stated the nuances of it.

EDIT: Again, this is not an attack on anyone--we went into this trying either to deny or verify a claim--whichever the evidence itself proved.

[C I Cerebella]

A fine essay and an interesting read MythBusters! Thank you for it.



I would still like Unibot to withdraw his accusation against TNI which he has so far avoided doing.

[General Halcones]

Let me get you up to speed. Tim invades. Tim pretends to go defender. Tim goes back to raiding. Tim pretends to go defender and gain some a government position to justify gaining a lot of endorsements.

Moreover, Halcones sent him to defend with us as an infiltration mission in Sept 2011 according to Tim. So I don't see why Halcones should be picking on Tim for switching when it was his order.

Furthermore, joining TNP is not "going" defender.

That is entirely false. Tim did inform me what he was up to, but I did not tell him or advise him to do it. I've never had much to do with him. Tried to get him to lead The Storm, that never got far.