Ireland Invaded

[North East Somerset]

The New Inquisition War Office
Ireland Invaded!
13th August 2012

Regarding the operation Crown Prince OnderKelkia, Commander of The New Inquisition Armed Forces, had the following to say:

We are pleased to report that The New Inquisition invaded Ireland at the major update of the 11th. The invasion of Ireland forms part of a series of raids conducted by TNI in 2012, also including the renowned invasions of Belgium and Scotland, and comes after The New Inquisition Armed Forces captured the FRA protectorate of Fidelia earlier in the week.

In an effective demonstration of our sphere's unity and military power, forces from Asgard, The Black Riders, Europeia, The Black Hawks and The LKE assisted TNI in launching the offensive. 18 updaters stormed into Ireland and unseated a 9-endorsement Delegate following a 460 day long reign. This high level of update participation was achieved during the ongoing summer lull. On top of that, within a mere 11 hours after the raid, reinforcements had more than doubled the endorsement total to 41. There are now over 50 military units deployed, of which 20 are TNI flagged. Reinforcements from Markarth and Hampshire have also provided additional support to TNI's position. These regions stand united in support of TNI and hold Ireland against the UDL and the FRA. On the update, these forces already resoundingly defeated defenders attempting to intervene in the raid:

1 minute ago: The Kingdom of Tresdation Kingdom ejected and banned The Kingdom of The Mountains and The Vale from the region.
2 minutes ago: The Kingdom of Tresdation Kingdom ejected and banned The Television Show of Miami Vice from the region.

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The spirit of cooperation and victory continues to permeate throughout the imperialist and raider world, in stark contrast to relations between some superficially likeminded regions and organisations.

TNI is well aware of the prospect that the founder-nation of Ireland may return, but for the time being cherishes its triumph in invading a member-region of the defunct Red Liberty Alliance; one of the principal precursors to the FRA. Like the Allied States of EuroIslanders and Marxist Leninist Party, two other former RLA regions raided in operations led by TNI, Ireland is now experiencing the consequences of its long-standing affiliation.

Praise the Kaiserin!

Come and join in the celebrations on the forums!



HH Prince Wilhelm Somerset,
Director General of ISIS; Major-General and Assistant Commander (Strategy) of the TNIAF.

[Feux]

Aw, I liked Ireland. Oh well, nice job on the raid.

[Drop Your Pants]

Ireland has changed founders since the RLA days, its a new set of people Congrads though on the 18 updaters.

[Sichuan Pepper]

Hmm I thought the founder of Ireland was a known invader? Did he not invade Kingdom of Ireland and try to grief it back in the day?
Who was around back then that remembers?

[Sedgistan]

Hmm I thought the founder of Ireland was a known invader? Did he not invade Kingdom of Ireland and try to grief it back in the day?
Who was around back then that remembers?

I vaguely remember Chiloe invading regions, though I don't have any access to records on it (the FRA should).

[Whiskum]

Ireland has changed founders since the RLA days, its a new set of people Congrads though on the 18 updaters.

It was refounded in February 2007, but that does not mean the region lost its identity. Post-refounding, former members of the RLA from Ireland served in Ireland's Delegacy and many other senior government positions. For instance, between March 2008 and July 2008, Flanders was Delegate of Ireland. To take another example, in late 2008 and early 2009, Brega and Mide was Delegate of Ireland. Brega and Mide was one of the individuals most crucial to bringing Ireland into the RLA. The region may have been refounded in terms of game mechanics, but it remained the same political entity. Naturally, the membership has evolved since: TNI in August 2012 hasn't got the same members it had in March 2006 (when TNI was founded and incidentally when Ireland joined the RLA). Neither does Ireland, but post-refounding, RLA members carried over and, undoubtedly, the region's historic affiliation with them.

Hmm I thought the founder of Ireland was a known invader? Did he not invade Kingdom of Ireland and try to grief it back in the day?
Who was around back then that remembers?

Hmm I thought the founder of Ireland was a known invader? Did he not invade Kingdom of Ireland and try to grief it back in the day?
Who was around back then that remembers?

I vaguely remember Chiloe invading regions, though I don't have any access to records on it (the FRA should).

The region's affiliations and political history carry a lot more weight with TNI than whether or not Chiloe raided, because we are not a 'raider' region.

[Mahaj]

because we are not a 'raider' region.

"Please Note: this region accepts embassies with those who also apply for one on the forums and recognised raider/invader organisations"

Tags: Offsite Forums, Imperialist, Gargantuan, Regional Government, Game Player, Invader, and Monarchist.

really?

[Feux]

because we are not a 'raider' region.

"Please Note: this region accepts embassies with those who also apply for one on the forums and recognised raider/invader organisations"

Tags: Offsite Forums, Imperialist, Gargantuan, Regional Government, Game Player, Invader, and Monarchist.

really?

No, don't you see? They are invaders not raiders.

[Sovreignry]

"Please Note: this region accepts embassies with those who also apply for one on the forums and recognised raider/invader organisations"

Tags: Offsite Forums, Imperialist, Gargantuan, Regional Government, Game Player, Invader, and Monarchist.

really?

No, don't you see? They are invaders not raiders.

You say Zebra, I say black and white striped Horse.

[Whiskum]

really?

Really, as I sometimes tire of repeatedly stating in the face of defenders who cannot accept, and often despise the fact, that our type of region exists. It is peculiar that many defender organisations, which nominally preach self-determination, deny us the right to self-identify because we do not fit their narrow stereotypes and instead form part of a long-standing imperialist tradition of regions which reserve the right to raid but are not raider (including regions as notable as The New Meritocracy and Great Britain and Ireland historically). Currently, prominent imperialist regions include not only TNI, but also Asgard, The LKE, Exshaw and Markarth. Both in the past and in the present, this has been and is a legitimate, independent and non-fringe affiliation. These regions all made a choice to adopt an imperialist outlook (The LKE did so before TNI) and imperialism is not an invention but a genuine movement. TNI is a particularly successful imperialist region and for that you have personally have used the term 'poisoning' to characterise our influence on this sphere, when in fact they made choices to join a respectable and genuine historical tradition of political regions which raid; a choice defenders fail to respect.

A raider region is region which exists to raid and is usually structured as a professional military organisation. Normally it expressly subscribes to the doctrine of 'Raider Unity'. Such regions include The Black Hawks, The Black Riders, DEN and Lone Wolves United. Such regions usually do not undertake defences or even genuine liberations in any circumstances. TNI has a regional government, the military is a political tool subordinate to an independently established foreign policy (a foreign policy strongly opposed to the FRA and the UDL for their violations of our sovereignty post-founding) rather than at the core of the region, it was not founded to raid and only very small minority of the members join with the purpose of raiding in mind (mainly those that have heard of our many victories). We are a political, not a raider region: this is not abour our affiliation so much as about our fundamental identity.

Moreover, our military activity has repeatedly varied, rather than being solely restricted to raiding: we leading contributors to the counter-invasions/liberations of Haven and The United Kingdom of Britain. We defended The South Pacific when a former FRA Arch Chancellor raided it. We also defended Grand Central, a region we have a treaty with, when its Delegacy changed. However, as defending is reactive, it is normally far less useful as a tool of proactive foreign policy than raiding. Mainly, we are a 'raiding' region, a term we use to mean that we reserve the prerogative to raid and undertake this type of operation. We also regard ourselves as part of the raider and imperialist sphere in military terms because we cooperate with close military partners to mutual benefit, and as a result regard some raider regions as being amongst our closest friends. Yet we are recognisably distinct from them.

"Please Note: this region accepts embassies with those who also apply for one on the forums and recognised raider/invader organisations"

Naturally, our embassy policy reflects the fact that some of our close military partners do not engage in formal diplomatic relations (or did not at the time when in-game embassies were established), so we could not simply impose the same requirements on them for in-game embassies and therefore have to be more open in considering raider regions' embassy requests. That does not make us a raider region; it merely means we have accomodations in place for some of them because we regard them in the same way we regard our allies, yet they don't make treaties, etc., so relations are on different grounds. Please note in particular the term 'recognised' in the WFE: they need to be established and had some sort of link to us, such as a joint operation.

Tags: Offsite Forums, Imperialist, Gargantuan, Regional Government, Game Player, Invader, and Monarchist.

On the second point, as a frequent raiding region we identify with the raider community, hence we have hosted two Future of Raiding Conferences in our time and hence why the Kaiserin selected this tag when the feature became available, but it was never intended as a statement of regional policy. Pretty consistently throughout, the statement of policy has always been that TNI raids but is not a raider region and does not subscribe to any doctrine of 'Raider Unity' which forbids us from attacking regions we have and have had no military or diplomatic links with because they once called themselves raider. That is the applicable principle here because it explains why Chiloe's status is irrelevant to our response. Given a choice, we do prefer the term 'invader' to raider because, like 'raiding', it sounds more functional with less ideological baggage, but identiyfing as a 'raiding' region is as far as we go when offered the chance to identify on our own terms (but such a tag does not exist so the invader tag is the next best thing to reflect our main military operations).

[Sichuan Pepper]

Thank you for the explanation! It helps a lot to understand why regions such as Ireland would be a viable target. I must admit not having played NS a long as some I am reliant on research and second hand information.
Those are not to be dismissed but information such as your post are very helpful.

[Cromarty]

we are not a 'raider' region.

Why lie?

You're a raider region with a community attached. Oh you like to paint your reasoning as something more and perhaps 'better', than other raiders, but claiming you're not raiders is the same as 'mercenaries' in NS claiming they're not raiders. It's a falsehood.

[Ananke II]

What's you basis for calling The New Meritocracy imperialist?

[Klaus Devestatorie]

If Ireland previously invaded Kingdom of Ireland, then this isn't imperialism. It's revenge for attacking a now deceased ally.

[Drop Your Pants]

Ireland didn't attack anyone, its founder did back in the day. The current members of Ireland, for the most part, don't know what the RLA is There's possibly 2 members in there that might know what it means but they've never wanted to talk about it.

[North East Somerset]

The New Meritocracy certainly displayed colonialist tendancies with it's Prefectures system. It also attempted to sway international global affairs in it's members interests in an expansionist manner. These are certainly two elements typical of imperialist regions, but I think by and large TNM would only fit properly into its own category and it's a stretch to try and parcel it in here. A more fitting example of another imperialist region would have been Gatesville.

But let's not split hairs, in the broader sense the message that TNI is not a raider organisation is clear. There is plenty of evidence that TNI's military stance goes beyond that of simply raiding for the sake of it, like raider orgs have done traditionally. There is evidence of non-raiding activities driven by our Foreign Affairs stance, and of the focussed nature of invasions which do occur. And there is also historical context to the war with defender organisations in their opposition to early TNI colonialism. There is also our complex political structure. Again this is all evidence of imperialism being the driving force behind our military stances, rather than pure raider philosophies. And this is exactly why, to go back to the original issue: "The region's affiliations and political history carry a lot more weight with TNI than whether or not Chiloe raided".

Some defenders will not respect that. I expect Mahaj and St George to troll and deny the facts regarding TNI because they do not like the facts. That is simply a measure of our effectiveness. They want to impose a false dichtonomy where everyone who invades automatically becomes a raider organisation, because that suits their defender ideologies.

Let me give you a history lesson Mahaj and St G. Historically the term raider was defined very specifically as a particular type of invader who adhered to a number of ideological facets. This included raider unity and raider purity. In a broader sense, raiders raided because it's fun etc and had no greater geopolitical aim from their military activities. Larger regions with political structures that engaged in occupations were invading. Defenders whom have dominated the official guides such as "Military Gameplay" have rewritten a lot of the terms and decided to start using raider as an all encompassing term for anyone who invades. This is all very well and wouldn't be such a problem if raider had lost all the connotations of its historical context. But it hasn't, and the evidence is right before you now, you still have people making assumptions like here regarding the idea "we wouldn't invade Ireland because Chiloe allegedly engaged in raiding". Just because you may not be familiar with the historical connotations doesn't mean there isn't a significant number of players who are. This proves the inadequacy of calling everyone who invades at any point in any context, raiders, so long as that term has other meanings. And thus the requirement for a separate term, imperialist, to adequately describe our philosophy, which is notably different to historical raider philosophy.

For the record, he didn't, Chiloe did not engage in raiding with any kind of frequency that even pure raiders would place any credence on. He possessed a single figure number of RL-country named regions, which he obtained almost exclusively through long term activities to refound names which were available. He worked closely as Onder described with numerous RLA-era Ireland members, including several prominent ones, nearly all of whom were also members of the Socialist Underground which described itself as "Revolutionary Socialist Defenders". He also Founded NSCommunism based on similar principles. So his alignment is arguably as much defender than invader, and it's irrelevant anyway as described earlier.

[Cromarty]

I expect Mahaj and St George to troll and deny the facts regarding TNI because they do not like the facts..

>Disagrees with TNI.
>OBVIOUS TROLL ZOMG!!!!1111!!!!1!11!!1ONE1!!

You stay classy, NES.

Edit: I feel I should point out that accusations of trolling belong in the moderation subforum. Said accusations would, however, require you to learn the rules of this site, including it's definition of trolling. But then you'd have to take time out from doing whatever it is you do when you aren't bullshitting your way around nationstates. :]

[Whiskum]

we are not a 'raider' region.

Why lie?

You're a raider region with a community attached. Oh you like to paint your reasoning as something more and perhaps 'better', than other raiders, but claiming you're not raiders is the same as 'mercenaries' in NS claiming they're not raiders. It's a falsehood.

Putting aside your unsubstantiated allegation of intentional deceit, you claim that TNI is a 'raider region with a community attached.'

Seeking to explain away the distinction between TNI and the raider regions based on the observation that TNI has a community, so it is essentially a raider region plus a community, is utterly bogus.

The Black Hawks and The Black Riders both have strong regional communities. They are socially good places to be beyond raiding. TNI and imperialists are not unique amongst raiding regions in having such a community. It is not about the social aspect.

It is about the fact TNI has a (democratic) political system, its military is subordinate to its independent foreign policy and the purpose of the region is politics rather than raiding, with raiding being used to advance the regional interest. The purpose of raider regions is to raid. That is what they are founded for and that is why people join them. When TNI was founded, there was little idea that it would be one day raiding, this grew as an extension of its political activities; when a new player joins TNI, they seek to join a constitutional monarchy rather than a professional military organisation.

This is about form more than affiliation. The UDL has more in common with professional raider organisations, as a professional defender organisation (though its largely actions are more self-interested than it cares to admit), in its type than TNI does. It too houses both a military and undeniably a community. Yet it does not house a political system or (theoretically at least) an independent foreign policy which it defends to promote. Naturally, professional raider organisations share more in affiliation with TNI than the UDL, because that is how each region's interests work out, but in that they are mainly non-political military groups, raiding for its own sake, they share more in form with the UDL.

None of this makes TNI inherently superior: it is a different type of region, generally for different type of people. Our raids have more political justifications attached, but that doesn't make them 'better' in the context of a region which exists with raiding as its purpose.

If you want to raid and do nothing political, TNI almost certainly is not the region for you. TNI is region for aspiring ministers, legislators and diplomats. TNI still raids and you can expect to contribute to that if you join it, but it is not the focus of anyone there (except perhaps its military commander, me).

The elitism here is the historic elitism of defenders in assuming that no raiding region can be genuinely political.

What's you basis for calling The New Meritocracy imperialist?

The effectively quasi-colonialist Prefectures it maintained and on occasion (e.g. the invasion of Texas Militia) the Meritocratic Legions raided to protect.

It meets the basic definition, with additional unique factors characterising the region's form. It did indeed have prominent defender members (so did and does Europeia) in positions of political importance, but that does not reduce its validity as a historic ancestor to a segment of the imperialist tradition.

Ireland didn't attack anyone, its founder did back in the day. The current members of Ireland, for the most part, don't know what the RLA is There's possibly 2 members in there that might know what it means but they've never wanted to talk about it.

TNI was part of the Congress of Sovereigns in 2007. Only a very small minority of TNI members here in August 2012 know what the Congress of Sovereigns was (an alliance between GB&I, TNI, The LKE and EoE which reflected an important part of the imperialist tradition's development).

However, it has left an ever-lasting mark on TNI history. The same goes for Ireland and the RLA.

[Semper Vivum]

I expect Mahaj and St George to troll and deny the facts regarding TNI because they do not like the facts..

>Disagrees with TNI.
>OBVIOUS TROLL ZOMG!!!!1111!!!!1!11!!1ONE1!!

You stay classy, NES.

Edit: I feel I should point out that accusations of trolling belong in the moderation subforum. Said accusations would, however, require you to learn the rules of this site, including it's definition of trolling. But then you'd have to take time out from doing whatever it is you do when you aren't bullshitting your way around nationstates. :]

You're familiar with the discussion at hand, but yet you never engage in it. You simply say that anything you disagree with is a lie and state your opinion over and over again. This sort of repetitive aggressive behaviour with all the exclamation marks etc is designed to incite the annoyance of those who you do not agree with, and thus my representation of your contribution to this debate is fair.

(NES former WA nation, lead in Fidelia)