Christmas - A proposal

[Sichuan Pepper]

As a lot of you are aware the region Christmas has gone through some upheaval recently. TITO have deployed at the request of a Native to clean up the region. This means invaders still in region after 24 hours will be banned.
I have a proposal about the region I would like some discussion on. Most of the year the region is fairly inactive but has dedicated nations that remain throughout the year.
I would like Christmas to be the one founderless region we all agree to not use as a battle ground.
It would be nice if we can all agree that Christmas is the one place we agree not to try to kill each other.
It is very rare that everyone can work together. We saw it can be done with the latest April fools prank where a great deal of NS were united. Christmas could be the one place that we can be civil and co-exist.
I realize not everyone reads Gamplay however the bigger players do. Certainly the R/D players look in now and then.

It would require the major invaders to give support as well as defenders.

[Weed]

It would require the major invaders to give support as well as defenders.

Not really, the invaders alone choose the battlegrounds in this game.

Not saying I disagree with your suggestion, I think it's an interesting idea.

[Sichuan Pepper]

I think Defenders would need to not be antagonistic if known invaders move in.
Normally I am fairly quick to jump if I spot invaders moving into a founderless region. In this case if enough people agreed then I would have no need to deploy.
It works both ways. Defenders may not choose the region but we are reactive.

[Weed]

I suppose that makes sense.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Absolutely not, Wordy. Last thing we need is one more crappy global treaty-initiative that everyone can just opt out of anyway.

[Sichuan Pepper]

:rolls eyes:

Even at Christmas you cannot even pretend to be nice Klaus
Hmm Santa...what was his last name?

Anyway back on topic. If no one agrees then there will be no place to share a Christmas drink at the very least. At least I put it out there for discussion.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

:rolls eyes:

Even at Christmas you cannot even pretend to be nice Klaus

I put my point out there. Informal, nobody will bother with it. Formal, some people won't bother getting on board, and some people will want to expand it. Don't even waste your time trying, you won't like the finished product because it will be ineffective.

If no one agrees then there will be no place to share a Christmas drink at the very least. At least I put it out there for discussion.

Sure we won't.

[Sichuan Pepper]

Well it would have to be an informal thing in my opinion. *shrugs*
The region seems to come under invasion twice a year and the rest of the time is largely ignored. I wonder how much hardship it would cause to not invade it?
The thread you linked is under supervision. We have to play nice there or face the consequences the mods hand out.

In a founderless region it is far less policed and if someone wants to be a jerk they can and will be. I guess I will wait and see if anyone else finds this interesting or not.

[Kingborough]

To be perfectly clear, I'm not speaking here as a member of the UDL, as the Internal Security Minister of the Karma Alliance or as the founder of Nysa and the Nysan Organization. This is my personal opinion and has nothing to do with the offices I hold, nor the opinions of those organizations.

Personally I think this is a good idea; Christmas is a special region, and shouldn't be subjected to raiding. If NationStates could cooperate on this matter, it would be great. However, I'm wary of hoping that they can.

[Weed]

I seem to recall this region was raided on December 24th either last year or the year before?

[Letoilenoir]

We will donate all oof our share issue to the charity fund to save christmas

[Drop Your Pants]

We will donate all oof our share issue to the charity fund to save christmas

This isn't a roleplay thread

I like the idea Wordy but you'll never get every raider group to agree.

[Everbeek]

We will donate all oof our share issue to the charity fund to save christmas

This isn't a roleplay thread

I like the idea Wordy but you'll never get every any raider group to agree.

[Sichuan Pepper]

I can hope for a Christmas miracle

[Rachel Anumia]

You likely couldn't even get the defenders to agree. With Liberate Christmas, there were defenders who voted for it on the basis that it was a well known battleground.

I just don't see why the region Christmas is that special. Firstly, I don't feel a name in itself is -that- special. Secondly, even if you do feel that way, I still don't feel that Christmas is that important of an event to warrant it. Clearly, you likely wouldn't be pushing this forward as Christmas being a religious holiday and that's why we shouldn't raid it because that is more limited. So is it then the secular holiday of buying presents for each-other?

To me, that just isn't very special.

[Jamie Anumia]

You likely couldn't even get the defenders to agree. With Liberate Christmas, there were defenders who voted for it on the basis that it was a well known battleground.

I just don't see why the region Christmas is that special. Firstly, I don't feel a name in itself is -that- special. Secondly, even if you do feel that way, I still don't feel that Christmas is that important of an event to warrant it. Clearly, you likely wouldn't be pushing this forward as Christmas being a religious holiday and that's why we shouldn't raid it because that is more limited. So is it then the secular holiday of buying presents for each-other?

To me, that just isn't very special.

This is mostly what I was thinking. I don't get why this one region is so special.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

I can hope for a Christmas miracle

"GUYS, IF WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND SING A CAROL, OUR COMBINED CHRISTMAS SPIRIT AND CHEER WILL SURELY LIGHT THE WAY FOR ALL REGIONS TO COME TOGETHER IN UNITY AND GOOD FAITH"

Thats what I'd be saying, but I know it won't work. I already tried to unite everyone through song at EoE's conference on how to deal with GGR. Didn't do squat. :/

[Sichuan Pepper]

Well I am not pushing it as a religious holiday. NS holds many religions.
There are no regions considered "off limits"or "shared" as far as I can see. Christmas is at the point not that special but it has the potential to be.
I could just as easy point to a warzone but it would not be the same. I would quite like to pause at least once in the year in one region and not be there to defend it.
It seems most of you do want to be the enemy every single day in every founderless region.

@ Klaus
You could make up new and special Christmas carols.

I actually thought it could be some fun without all the chasing, liberating, banning and cross endorsing. If no one wants to be in it then so be it.

[Rachel Anumia]

Well I am not pushing it as a religious holiday. NS holds many religions.
There are no regions considered "off limits"or "shared" as far as I can see. Christmas is at the point not that special but it has the potential to be.
I could just as easy point to a warzone but it would not be the same. I would quite like to pause at least once in the year in one region and not be there to defend it.
It seems most of you do want to be the enemy every single day in every founderless region.

@ Klaus
You could make up new and special Christmas carols.

I actually thought it could be some fun without all the chasing, liberating, banning and cross endorsing. If no one wants to be in it then so be it.

Most raiders don't raid every single day, we have other stuff to do. Like sleep

I do like this conversation though.

[Cormac Stark]

Although I would need to consult with our Keisair, I don't believe Asgard would agree to this for several reasons.

First, we agree that Christmas is a special region -- which is why we had hoped to refound it to prevent future invasions and to revitalize the region. That plan was rejected by the Security Council. As long as Christmas remains a founderless region, it is a region that is fair game for invasion. If defenders didn't like that, they should have supported our plan. We're not going to agree that a founderless region will be off limits for us when other raider regions and organizations will still invade it (as they have every right to do). And we certainly would not sign any kind of agreement or treaty that would require us to take action against our fellow raiders for invading Christmas.

Second, if defenders want Christmas to be a special region that is off limits for raiding and defending -- why have there been two, count them, two defender operations in the region since our withdrawal two days ago? First the UDL came in to suppress our posts on the RMB, the first posts that had been made in over five months. Now TITO is occupying the region to "unceremoniously" -- TITO's word -- eject and ban remaining raider units, most of whom are only still in the region because they haven't logged in and will likely cease to exist anyway. Given that you are one of the defender occupiers in Christmas right now, it seems hypocritical for you to suggest that Christmas should be off limits for raiding and defending while you're busy occupying the region for petty point-scoring.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

@ Klaus
You could make up new and special Christmas carols.

Oh god

you just un-repressed a lot of memories. ._.

[Unibot II]

I'm not going to oppose anything that could help secure native communities, but I do think its a little weird to specify that an fairly important part of Christianity is protected as sacred ground, but Islamic regions have often been picked on, Islam, Islamic Republic of Iran, Region of reunited muslim states etc. and there wasn't even UDL-TITO cooperation to help those regions, let alone cooperation between defenders and raiders.

[Galiantus]

Sorry, but I think the idea stinks. It is like Communism. It does not work unless everyone agrees to it, which will never happen.

How about this:
We repeal the liberation.
Asgard and some defenders both move into the region and endorse someone who is neither Defender nor Invader.
That person places a password and refounds the region.
The new founder manages the region on their own, so that everyone may enjoy the region.

Although I would need to consult with our Keisair, I don't believe Asgard would agree to this for several reasons.

First, we agree that Christmas is a special region -- which is why we had hoped to refound it to prevent future invasions and to revitalize the region. That plan was rejected by the Security Council. As long as Christmas remains a founderless region, it is a region that is fair game for invasion. If defenders didn't like that, they should have supported our plan. We're not going to agree that a founderless region will be off limits for us when other raider regions and organizations will still invade it (as they have every right to do). And we certainly would not sign any kind of agreement or treaty that would require us to take action against our fellow raiders for invading Christmas.

Second, if defenders want Christmas to be a special region that is off limits for raiding and defending -- why have there been two, count them, two defender operations in the region since our withdrawal two days ago? First the UDL came in to suppress our posts on the RMB, the first posts that had been made in over five months. Now TITO is occupying the region to "unceremoniously" -- TITO's word -- eject and ban remaining raider units, most of whom are only still in the region because they haven't logged in and will likely cease to exist anyway. Given that you are one of the defender occupiers in Christmas right now, it seems hypocritical for you to suggest that Christmas should be off limits for raiding and defending while you're busy occupying the region for petty point-scoring.

The only problem I ever had with this plan was that it was being done by an invader. However I would have had the same problem if a defender had done it. What I am more interested in is refounding Christmas (and frankly, all founderless regions) for two purposes:
1. To discourage invading.
2. To place more focus on regional culture.

I don't see what is wrong with that. Asgard was, in my oppinion, doing the right thing.

[Fynnbays]

I do think its a little weird to specify that an fairly important part of Christianity is protected as sacred ground, but Islamic regions have often been picked on, Islam, Islamic Republic of Iran, Region of reunited muslim states etc.

Well In fairness on the RMBs of some of those regions there were some very homophobic comments, so, fair game. To the best of my Knowledge no hateful comments were on the RMB of Christmas.
P.S. That's not to say that if say a region called "WBC Rules" were set up and people posted "yeh i hate dose filtheh fags" that, that wouldn't be fair game. It would be.

[Drop Your Pants]

Well In fairness on the RMBs of some of those regions there were some very homophobic comments, so, fair game. To the best of my Knowledge no hateful comments were on the RMB of Christmas.

If you see hateful comments you should submit a GHR request, not say they're fair game because of this, this and this