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Gest wrote:Astounding how you've gone from a militant raider to a militant defender in 3 days! St Paul would doubtlessly be impressed. You really should reconsider taking a couple of weeks to start issuing violent denunciation on behalf of the poor innocent natives. Makes better PR and would be less hypocritical.

There's nothing hypocritical about criticizing your organization for getting lulz from making Muslims and Arabs miserable, since I've never actually done that. You should consider taking a couple of weeks to figure out why you find that amusing.[/quote]
I agree with Gest. I don't believe he said that criticizing TBR for " getting lulz from making Muslims and Arabs miserable" was what you've said that's hypocritical. Though I don't really believe that. I've spent years being accused of things I don't do because I raid a particular region. Actually, I've been accused of being both an evil homosexual atheist, and a stupid religious homophobe in the span of 2 days. So forgive me if I don't blindly believe your accusations. That said, I find the switch in extremes amusing, myself. Is this where you accuse me or TBH of being big bullies, and then we all hold hands and cry for the poor little natives?


I think I like this news thing more all the time.

This thread increasingly reminds me of this incident in the Ukrainian Parliament.

Tramiar wrote:I agree with Gest. I don't believe he said that criticizing TBR for " getting lulz from making Muslims and Arabs miserable" was what you've said that's hypocritical. Though I don't really believe that. I've spent years being accused of things I don't do because I raid a particular region. Actually, I've been accused of being both an evil homosexual atheist, and a stupid religious homophobe in the span of 2 days. So forgive me if I don't blindly believe your accusations. That said, I find the switch in extremes amusing, myself. Is this where you accuse me or TBH of being big bullies, and then we all hold hands and cry for the poor little natives?

I'm not surprised you agree with Gest. Raider unity and all. But no, I'm not going to accuse TBH of being bullies, I'll leave that to others. In fact I commend Rawr for taking a principled stand against participating in TBR's attempt on RORMS a couple of weeks ago, for which they weren't able to get enough endos. He mentioned that the griefing of Region of reunited muslim states had been too intense for his liking. Guess I'm not the only one, eh?

I'll just point out that we're not talking about one particular region, like with DEN and Catholic. We're talking about the griefing of Region of reunited muslim states and Iraq, with an attempt to round up endos to grief RORMS in between those. That's not an isolated incident, it's a pattern.

EDIT: Forgot to mention there's at least one TBR sleeper in Iran as well.

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Communist Quinntopia wrote:

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:This thread increasingly reminds me of this incident in the Ukrainian Parliament.

I wish there was a separate thread for them to argue in.

I apologize, wasn't my intention to threadjack. I've just been responding to the criticism against me since your news service reported the news about me. But you're right, this has gone on long enough. If anyone wants to continue any of these arguments further I'm available by telegram but I'm not going to respond to anything else here.

Communist Quinntopia wrote:

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:This thread increasingly reminds me of this incident in the Ukrainian Parliament.

I wish there was a separate thread for them to argue in.

Why? This is probably the most popular news story you've done. Frankly you can't expect to print such accusations and not get a response.

4 Muslims regions in a year does not a pattern make. The political correctness of people is hilarious. Invading Muslims regions= Islamophobia but I don't recall being accused of being Anti-French when we invaded Le Fopo or Anti-Scifi when we invaded Stargate. Founderless natives to me are all perfectly equally admittedly Islamic natives are often the most hilarious natives around. Where else can you get a native to public say "May Allah strike down the black riders" or some other nonsense. It's comedy gold!

Cormac Stark wrote:

Tramiar wrote:I agree with Gest. I don't believe he said that criticizing TBR for " getting lulz from making Muslims and Arabs miserable" was what you've said that's hypocritical. Though I don't really believe that. I've spent years being accused of things I don't do because I raid a particular region. Actually, I've been accused of being both an evil homosexual atheist, and a stupid religious homophobe in the span of 2 days. So forgive me if I don't blindly believe your accusations. That said, I find the switch in extremes amusing, myself. Is this where you accuse me or TBH of being big bullies, and then we all hold hands and cry for the poor little natives?

I'm not surprised you agree with Gest. Raider unity and all. But no, I'm not going to accuse TBH of being bullies, I'll leave that to others. In fact I commend Rawr for taking a principled stand against participating in TBR's attempt on RORMS a couple of weeks ago, for which they weren't able to get enough endos. He mentioned that the griefing of Region of reunited muslim states had been too intense for his liking. Guess I'm not the only one, eh?

I'll just point out that we're not talking about one particular region, like with DEN and Catholic. We're talking about the griefing of Region of reunited muslim states and Iraq, with an attempt to round up endos to grief RORMS in between those. That's not an isolated incident, it's a pattern.

EDIT: Forgot to mention there's at least one TBR sleeper in Iran as well.

Wonderful. So we attack two Muslim regions and now we are known as Muslim haters. We attack Stargate and we hate Sci-Fi. Seriously. We're not singling out those regions because of a certain thing about them. We're singling out them because they are large and active Founderless regions. It's not out fault that they are founderless, and you can't expect us not to raid them. Honestly. It's a common theme. Raiders grief a region and it's obviously because we hate the theme of the region. No. It's because we're raiders. To remember two nice raider mottos: "We do it for the evuls" and "Because we can"...

The theme of the region has nothing to do with why we raid it and why we grief it. I have no doubt that it if were a bunch of Christian and Democratic regions that were founderless, we would raid them, and we would be called anti-Christian as well as Fascist. It's how the trend goes.

And Cormac. It's not nice to publicly reveal plans of a faction you just left. It might prod the UDL into not sharing much intel with you, out of the concern that you could switch back and do the same exact thing in the reverse way.

Tim-Opolis wrote:Wonderful. So we attack two Muslim regions and now we are known as Muslim haters. We attack Stargate and we hate Sci-Fi. Seriously. We're not singling out those regions because of a certain thing about them. We're singling out them because they are large and active Founderless regions. It's not out fault that they are founderless, and you can't expect us not to raid them. Honestly. It's a common theme. Raiders grief a region and it's obviously because we hate the theme of the region. No. It's because we're raiders. To remember two nice raider mottos: "We do it for the evuls" and "Because we can"...

The theme of the region has nothing to do with why we raid it and why we grief it. I have no doubt that it if were a bunch of Christian and Democratic regions that were founderless, we would raid them, and we would be called anti-Christian as well as Fascist. It's how the trend goes.

And Cormac. It's not nice to publicly reveal plans of a faction you just left. It might prod the UDL into not sharing much intel with you, out of the concern that you could switch back and do the same exact thing in the reverse way.

Tim. Let's not lie here. It isn't just 2 regions. TBR has raided Islam, The Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq, Islamic Republic of Iran, Region of reunited muslim states. So yeah, don't lie and say it's only two. I personally don't think TBR does it because the regions are Islamic, however I do find it concerning that when TBR does raid Islamic regions, you feel the need to always kick natives. Also, I wasn't aware you directed UDL intel policy Tim.

Jamie Anumia wrote:

Tim-Opolis wrote:Wonderful. So we attack two Muslim regions and now we are known as Muslim haters. We attack Stargate and we hate Sci-Fi. Seriously. We're not singling out those regions because of a certain thing about them. We're singling out them because they are large and active Founderless regions. It's not out fault that they are founderless, and you can't expect us not to raid them. Honestly. It's a common theme. Raiders grief a region and it's obviously because we hate the theme of the region. No. It's because we're raiders. To remember two nice raider mottos: "We do it for the evuls" and "Because we can"...

The theme of the region has nothing to do with why we raid it and why we grief it. I have no doubt that it if were a bunch of Christian and Democratic regions that were founderless, we would raid them, and we would be called anti-Christian as well as Fascist. It's how the trend goes.

And Cormac. It's not nice to publicly reveal plans of a faction you just left. It might prod the UDL into not sharing much intel with you, out of the concern that you could switch back and do the same exact thing in the reverse way.

Tim. Let's not lie here. It isn't just 2 regions. TBR has raided Islam, The Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq, Islamic Republic of Iran, Region of reunited muslim states. So yeah, don't lie and say it's only two. I personally don't think TBR does it because the regions are Islamic, however I do find it concerning that when TBR does raid Islamic regions, you feel the need to always kick natives. Also, I wasn't aware you directed UDL intel policy Tim.

Jamie. I was mentioning just those two, because Cormac has focused on those two during his discussion.

Yes we have raided many Islamic regions. If you would look, many Islamic regions are Founderless and fairly active. This makes them good targets. As I said before, if it was [insert region theme] regions that were founderless and fairly active, we would probably be invading them. Natives are kicked, because natives get angry. If you look at the raids where natives are pretty chill about things, we can have a good time. We bring activity to the region in exchange for flying our stuff for a couple days.

And I do not direct UDL Intel policy, Jamie. I'm just noting that if he can flip once and start spilling the beans, he can do it again.

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Interesting choice of person for your next interview.

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Cromarty wrote:Interesting choice of person for your next interview.

Well we can't be called biased any more.

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:

Cromarty wrote:Interesting choice of person for your next interview.

Well we can't be called biased any more.

Well you can, but at least you're giving sortof balanced coverage now

Fratt isn't the head of the FRA. He is the Chief of Defence.

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I am very much looking forward to the LCG interview.

This is a pretty nice work you got.

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Mahaj wrote:This is a pretty nice work you got.

I second that. This is good stuff.

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I'm enjoying this. In my retirement, I don't have time to do my own investigation of what-all is happening in this big crazy place.

Nice work on the article. Sorry I couldn't contribute, I was fairly busy this week. Interesting choice of person to interview, that sound be a fun one!

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