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The NationStates Republic

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 8:43 pm
by Punk Reloaded
Greetings nations and regions of NationStates. Today, I would like to present to you a radical idea, The NationStates Republic. The West Pacific Regional government recently passed the Constitution of the NationStates Republic. What I have always believed is that if you can harness the mass of the feederites with the enthusiasm of the userites, you will have a very powerful tandem.

Therefore, the Republic's aim is to have as many regions join the NS Republic as possible to become as powerful as possible. The West Pacific is the 2nd most populous region in the game, i have the 3rd most endorsements in the game, and Alsted, I'm coming for you! I wish to see that power leveraged with smaller regions to build a Republic that will have a power unmatched by any single region.

What do I mean by power? Power to influence World Assembly votes. Power to defend allies. Power to crush enemies. Power to change the game.

If you want a quasi real world analogy, think the Star Wars Republic, but without the cool Jedi Knights.
What will be great about the NS Republic is that regions will be able to keep their identity. If they wish to remain a small region that focuses internally, they can. But by being a member of the Republic they will have the weight of the Republic behind them, safety from attack, and ability to have an idea and get it to many regions quickly. The larger regions can have far greater influence on the game at large than they have today by joining forces with as large or larger regions harnessing the collective power of "the many".

Many of you may recall the Alliance Defense Network which at one time was the most influential multi-regional alliance. The NS Republic seeks to go beyond the ADN and instead of only focusing on defense, focusing on building strong relationships between regions and influencing the entire game not only the defender/raider portion.

This will not happen over night. This will take time, but I post this here for you ambitious and adventurous regions looking to be a part of something great. You have the chance to get in on the ground floor of something that could mark a new era in NationStates (or be another flash in the pan idea).

Here is the Constitution:
Constitution of The NationStates Republic

Article 1 – Bill of Rights
1. All Nations of The Republic are sovereign and have the right of self-determination in domestic policies, including Nation States Issues.

2. Rights to free speech, free press, free expression of religion, and free association will not be infringed as long as the expressed freedoms do not [a] violate the same rights of others or {b} violate the ToS of this Forum. The Delegate and/or the Forum Owner or his designees shall be the ultimate judges of propriety.

3. Participation within any regional or extraregional Government, Regional Forum, and Regional Military shall be voluntary.

4. No nation of The Republic holding WA member status shall be obligated to endorse any government official of The Republic. The right to add an endorsement or withdraw an endorsement will remain a sovereign right of the WA member nation.

5. All Nations of The Republic have the right to be protected against the abuse of powers by any government official.

6. No Nation shall be ejected from any region of The Republic, or banned from any forum, without a public explanation. Should a government official declare the ejection or banning to be a matter of immediate regional security, the ejected or banned Nation shall have an avenue of redress in the Forum as a Member with Limited Membership.

7. When charged with criminal activity, Nations of The Republic shall enjoy fair and impartial Court Tribunals. Such Tribunals may occur and/or deliberate in a locked forum.

8. Any nation of The Republic may question the Constitutionality of any law passed by the House of Lords or The Assembly and ask for a Court Tribunal for a determination of Constitutionality, and may petition the Court for redress of grievances with other nations as well as with the government itself or any government official.

9. These Rights listed are not exhaustive. Other Rights may be defined and existing Rights may be expanded through legislation.

Article 2 – Legislation
    1. Legislative authority of The Republic shall rest with two distinct bodies: The Assembly and the House of Lords.

  • The Assembly shall be responsible for the following:
    • New citizen registration (under the authority of The Registrar);
    • Proposing any changes to the Constitution;
    • Selecting one of its members to serve within the House of Lords, The Plebian Lord;
    • serve as jurors on any legal case within The Republic
    • passing non-Constitutional legislation.
  • The House of Lords shall be responsible for the following:
    • approve treaties and set the terms of regional membership;
    • approve new regions of The Republic as well define terms of approval;
    • approve war actions;
    • approve/reject proposed Constitutional changes affirmed by The Assembly;
    • select The delegates of ALL member regions on a periodic basis;
    • selecting certain officers of The Republic;
    • approving/rejecting any item not specifically listed as powers for either The Assembly
      or The House of Lords;
    • should the delegate appoint a successor, the House of Lords shall vote on the appointee with a simple majority confirming. If a simple majority is not reached, the delegate shall make a subsequent and different appointment;
    • approve A Declaration of Open Rebellion which must include an enumerated List of Grievances against the Delegate and will require a majority vote by The House of Lords AND The Assembly.

2. Constitutional proposals passed by The Assembly shall require a simple majority to be presented to the House of Lords. Changes to the Constitution shall require 2/3rds approval by The House of Lords. The Delegate of The West Pacific shall veto power over any Constitutional change passed by The House of Lords. A 3/4ths vote of The House of Lords shall be required to overturn the veto.

3. Non-constitutional changes shall require a simple majority to pass. The Registrar of The Assembly may veto non-constitutional legislation. This veto may be overturned by a simple majority of The House of Lords.

Membership Requirements
The Assembly
  • Join the World Assembly and endorse the delegate of the republic region
    OR
  • be a citizen of a Republic region
The House of Lords
  • must be a member of the WA and make that nation known to the Republic;
  • must be a citizen of a republic region;
  • must have a national population of any nation of at least 1 billion people;
  • must have an application approved by sitting members of the House of Lords (50%+1 required);
  • must have been a member of The Assembly for at least 30 days and made contributions (as defined by the House of Lords);
  • any of the preceding requirements may be waived if the applicants requests a waiver and is able to attain a 2/3rds vote within their application.
  • all delegates of the republic are automatically members of the House of Lords regardless of other requirements.
  • members of the House of Lords shall not be counted as members of the Regional Assembly during which time they are members of the House of Lords. Should any member of the House lose membership therein, they shall become members of the Regional Assembly providing no court action barring such re-inclusion.
  • the membership total of The House of Lords shall not exceed that of The Assembly. Should the House of Lords membership exceed that of The Assembly, members of The House of Lords shall be placed within the Assembly ranks based upon seniority.

Article 3 – Officers of The Republic
  • Delegate of The West Pacific, President of The Republic
    • The Delegate of The West Pacific shall also hold the office of President of The NationStates Republic, the executive office-holder of the republic.
    • The Delegate is expected to serve at his/her leisure and pleasure for a maximum of 12 months/366 days. Choosing to serve beyond the expected time limit will constitute justification for Rebellion by the Region.
    • The delegate shall have veto powers over all legislation passed by the House of Lords except non-Constitutional vetoes overridden by the House of Lords.
    • The delegate shall oversee the Foreign Minister and direct his/her activities.
    • The Delegate of The West Pacific may choose the Delegate’s successor.
    • The Delegate of The West Pacific may decide to abdicate at any time during the Delegate term in favor of a successor.
    • Should the Delegate Cease-to-Exist or abdicate and no successor is selected, the House of Lords will elect a new Delegate from The West Pacific citizenry.
    • An elected Delegate will have all the powers of the Delegate.
    • The Delegate may choose the Delegate’s successor.
    • The Delegate may decide to abdicate at any time during the Delegate term in favor of a successor.
    • Should the Delegate Cease-to-Exist or abdicate and no successor is selected, the Regional Assembly will elect a new Delegate.
    • An elected Delegate will have all the powers of the Delegate.
  • Registrar of The Assembly
    • Must be a member of The Assembly and elected by its membership every three months;
    • shall establish a roll of upcoming legislation;
    • shall oversee the new membership process and may appoint designees to process individual applications;
    • shall have veto power over legislation passed by The Assembly
    • Shall conduct a census monthly to determine size of both The Assembly and The House of Lords
  • Foreign Minister
    • Appointed indefinitely by the delegate must be a member of either the House of Lords or Regional Assembly;
    • The Foreign Minister shall be responsible for appointing and overseeing a vigorous diplomatic corps;
    • To seek treaties and alliances with foreign regions that may be beneficial to the Republic and shall oversee the creation and regular update of reports on the political and diplomatic state of affairs of Regions throughout NS.
    • The Delegate and the Foreign Minister (unless prohibited by the Delegate) alone will have the power to enter into treaties and/or alliances. All treaties and/or alliances will be subject to ratification by a simple majority of the House of Lords.
  • The World Assembly Minister
    • Elected from either The Assembly or House of Lords and by BOTH houses (administered by The Registrar), The World Assembly Minister will serve a term of three months;
    • The World Assembly Minister shall maintain the WA Resolution Thread in the Forum.
    • The World Assembly Minister shall represent the Republic and to the NationStates world in the absence of the Delegate.
  • The New Members Coordinator
    • Elected from and by The Assembly, the New Members Coordinator shall serve a term of three months;
    • The New Members Coordinator will be responsible for engaging new citizens and assigning them to various departments based on interest;
    • The New Members Coordinator will be responsible for providing monthly updates to both legislative houses on the status of new members of The Assembly;
  • Defense Minister
    • Appointed indefinitely by the delegate must be a member of either the House of Lords or Regional Assembly;
    • Responsible for establishing a Republic military
    • Responsible for establishing a Republic intelligence organization
    • May grant rank to military soldiers
    • All missions must be approved by the Delegate. All missions must be affirmed by the House of Lords subsequent action. Any action not affirmed by the House of Lords may be cause for dismissal.
  • House of Lords Member At-large
    • Elected by the Assembly serving a three month term;
    • shall be a full voting member of the House of Lords representing The Assembly interests.
    • Cannot hold any other office title

Article 4 – Court Tribunal
  • The Court will consist of a 3 Judge Court Tribunal – a Chief Justice and two Associate Justices.
  • The Court Tribunal will be responsible for [1] determining the constitutionality of challenged laws and [2] determining the validity of charges against member nations.
  • The Chief Justice will be elected from and by the House of Lords and shall preside for a three-month term.
  • Jurors will be elected by the House of Lords as follows: Every three months following the election of the Chief Justice, each member of the House of Lords will cast six votes among all members, and the six members with the greatest percentage of votes will serve as Jurors for three months. Jurors will be assigned as Associate Justices as needed for any Court matter that arises by lot. The Associate Justices will continue to preside over the issue until a resolution or decision has been reached.
  • If two or more issues are presented to the Court concurrently, three Jurors will be selected by lot: the first two as Associate Justices and the third as Alternate for each issue.
  • The Chief Justice may dismiss any Associate Justice (but not both) from a case for cause; an Associate Justice may step down in recusal; in either case, the opening is filled by the designated Alternate or by selection of another Juror by lot.
  • The Court Tribunal shall have authority to make punishments or to establish the criteria for corrective action or for making amends or restitution whenever deemed necessary.
  • The decisions of a Court Tribunal will be final unless either the Speaker or the Delegate grants a motion for appeal, such motion to be requested promptly. If an appeal is granted the House of Lords will hear arguments and vote to either return the case to a Court Tribunal for reconsideration or to deny the appeal and sustain the decision of the Court.
  • Once a decision is made on a case, all nations of the region must be told of the result. There are to be no secret cases or verdicts, but case discussions and deliberations of a Court Tribunal may be made in private.
  • The court shall also hear any interregional dispute cases and have authority to arbitrate between regions.
  • Impeachment
    • Any officer or legislator may be impeached by the body in which they reside.
    • An impeachment warrant shall be issued when 10% of the body’s membership roll has signed the impeachment petition.
    • Once the required signatures have been obtained, the Court shall hear the case like other cases described herein. Once the proceedings have ended, the Court shall decide to remove the officeholder and/or assign other punishments in accordance with provisions of this Article.


If you are interested in joining the Republic or learning more about it you can telegram myself or Enlightened Defender. However, the best way to get all of your questions answered would be to visit our forum http://twp.nosync.org/forums/index.php?act=idx

Punk Daddy

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 11:31 am
by The Murtunian Tribes
Why do I get the feeling this is going to be giving me severe headaches in the future?

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 11:38 am
by Sedgistan
Have you chosen to base this off TWP's forums? If so, is that a short-term measure while the organisation is being set up, or do you view that as being permanent?

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 11:39 am
by Mahdah
Brimstone Pact vs Nationstates Replublic...I can sense the horror already :clap:

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 11:55 am
by Kalibarr
Is anyone other than TWP a member of this?

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 11:57 am
by The Torquatus Family
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:Why do I get the feeling this is going to be giving me severe headaches in the future?


I got the same feeling. :unsure: I am unsure of the future implacations of this.

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 11:59 am
by Retoa
I can tell that this will end badly.

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:09 pm
by Beinai
The result will be fatal, surely.

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:11 pm
by Mahdah
Automanfreek is gonna post Brimstone pact declare war..then WW3 and we all Die! :rofl:

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:14 pm
by The Murtunian Tribes
Retoa wrote:I can tell that this will end badly.


There are two ways this will end. Either it will be successful or it will die pretty quickly. Although I would like to see increased activity in feederite politics, suffice to say I have...mixed feelings about a new ADN.

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:16 pm
by Sedgistan
Mahdah wrote:Automanfreek is gonna post Brimstone pact declare war..then WW3 and we all Die! :rofl:
Mahdah, you are talking about roleplaying - roleplaying has nothing to do with this or the Gameplay forum. Take it elsewhere.

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:24 pm
by Ballotonia
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Retoa wrote:I can tell that this will end badly.


There are two ways this will end. Either it will be successful or it will die pretty quickly. Although I would like to see increased activity in feederite politics, suffice to say I have...mixed feelings about a new ADN.


This isn't even remotely a new ADN. The Constitution grants draconian powers to the Delegate of the West Pacific. Anyone not in The West Pacific joining this is essentially handing over a lot of power to TWP.

I see this going absolutely nowhere.

Ballotonia

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:30 pm
by The Murtunian Tribes
Ballotonia wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
There are two ways this will end. Either it will be successful or it will die pretty quickly. Although I would like to see increased activity in feederite politics, suffice to say I have...mixed feelings about a new ADN.


This isn't even remotely a new ADN. The Constitution grants draconian powers to the Delegate of the West Pacific. Anyone not in The West Pacific joining this is essentially handing over a lot of power to TWP.

I see this going absolutely nowhere.

Ballotonia

You give me too much credit if you think I actually read the constitution. I was just going by what his intro said.

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 1:30 pm
by Punk Reloaded
The intent is not to make the TWP delegate some 'draconian' uber-king/queen.

This may fail, anything worth trying might fail, so I'm personally not concerned with failure. I am concerned with creating a multi-regional organization that is able to influence the game, and as stated, be a benefit to larger and smaller regions. Ballatonia is essentially ignoring what I've said and basing his opinion on his take of the Constitution.

That's too bad, because the intent of this is nowhere close to making TWP some sort of king. He would be first amongst equals in this set up and I do not believe the people of TWP would have approved this otherwise. Will regions, including TWP, give up some of their sovereignty. For sure, but again there's a reason.

As for current members, we have about 3 regions putting together applications, small regions, with another 4 or so (again small) interested in the concept.

I used the ADN as an example of a multi-regional powerhouse, not that the Republic will have those same goals. I hate the term defender, personally, and my hope is that this will not become that.

Time tells all and that will certainly be the case with this, but we will try to make it work. Stay tuned. :)

Sedge, we've got a great forum admin so I believe this will best to keep it at the current TWP site.

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 5:25 pm
by ROLHEATH
as a former delegate of twp
and a birthrite twper
there would be open revolt
if there was an dictatorial delegate
in which i would join
that isn't the case now
at all

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 6:15 pm
by Mahaj WA Seat
Ballotonia wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
There are two ways this will end. Either it will be successful or it will die pretty quickly. Although I would like to see increased activity in feederite politics, suffice to say I have...mixed feelings about a new ADN.


This isn't even remotely a new ADN. The Constitution grants draconian powers to the Delegate of the West Pacific. Anyone not in The West Pacific joining this is essentially handing over a lot of power to TWP.

I see this going absolutely nowhere.

Ballotonia

Fully agreed. We won't be joining.

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 8:38 pm
by Biyah
Handing over so much power to one delegate, for the goal of uniting all.

Hmmm

Sounds like The Empire :P

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 10:08 pm
by Dalimbar
Biyah wrote:Handing over so much power to one delegate, for the goal of uniting all.

Hmmm

Sounds like The Empire :P

We at least were open about our imperialistic tendencies. And not beating around the brush about who ultimately had the last word. But, hey, this might be a quaint idea.

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 4:30 pm
by Punk Reloaded
I believe the balance I hoped to achieve with this was struck. The document has been attacked on two fronts, neither congruent with the other. some have said, in this thread, that this gives too much power to the TWP delegate. Elsewhere many have said that it takes too much of TWP's sovereignty away.

Perhaps you two are too jaded to believe that stated aims are indeed the aims of the document. Again, this thing may not work, but the goal is for the organization to dominate, not any particular individual.

Though, I'm not sure you'll be convinced no matter what I say.

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:34 pm
by Ballotonia
Punk Reloaded wrote:I believe the balance I hoped to achieve with this was struck. The document has been attacked on two fronts, neither congruent with the other. some have said, in this thread, that this gives too much power to the TWP delegate. Elsewhere many have said that it takes too much of TWP's sovereignty away.


From a TWP perspective I can see it giving away some power. After all, it started off with full sovereignty, so any changes only risks giving away some power. However, from the perspective of other regions this is a ridiculous proposal. All of a sudden the TWP Delegate has huge powers over. I don't see the Delegate of all other regions who join as being listed as having that kind of power, do you? And that's where the balance is totally lost, there's not even an attempt at equality between member regions.

Ballotonia

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 5:40 am
by Mahdah
A replublic open of Imperialsim Ouch not good..I dont think my nation will be joining..We dont think fondly of Imperialists

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 2:30 am
by Punk Reloaded
Mahdah,

what's imperialistic about this?

Imperialism - the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.

The Republic is not colonizing or acquiring colonies. Regions voluntarily apply to join and then are approved/rejected based on their merits. That's not imperialism.

Ballatonia, yes the TWP delegate is at the forefront of this republic, like a President, if you will. Every governmental system needs like positions and I doubt you'd say they have un-meritorious intentions. There's a balance in this document that will make it difficult for any one person to do much of anything by bullying the rest of the republic regions.

PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 11:28 pm
by Agersia
Why not make a stand-alone region to be the capital region of the NS Republic, that then cuts the ties from TWP Delegate and allows for the NS Republic to totally determine its own leadership.

PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:26 am
by Holaloperho
Agersia wrote:Why not make a stand-alone region to be the capital region of the NS Republic, that then cuts the ties from TWP Delegate and allows for the NS Republic to totally determine its own leadership.


I think this is a good idea to protect the right of smaller menber region. However, I bet TWP will not accept it since it severly interfere the sovereignty of TWP. :eyebrow:

BTW: As a member of Europe, I don't think Punk Reloaded could become more influence than Alasted in a short period of time.

PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:29 am
by Anemos Major
So how is getting lots of people together to collectivise power a radical idea?