Latin motto clinic

[Hyggemata]

That, I know. But I thought it was "Love for the Federation" and not "Love of the Federation".

/disclaimer: still not an authority on Latin.

The objective genitive often is translated as for. The important thing to remember is that Latin is not even in the same immediate family as English -- it's going to work differently.

OK, so what do you mean by "love for the federation" and "love of the federation"? Are we talking about the federation's love for someone or someone's love for the federation? In either case, the love is an action and isn't actually something owned by the subject, and in either case Latin represents it in the genitive. If we consider the phrase, "care for the sick", the sick doesn't actually own the care, but Latin in this case puts "the sick" in the genitive.

[Astrolinium]

The objective genitive often is translated as for. The important thing to remember is that Latin is not even in the same immediate family as English -- it's going to work differently.

OK, so what do you mean by "love for the federation" and "love of the federation"? Are we talking about the federation's love for someone or someone's love for the federation? In either case, the love is an action and isn't actually something owned by the subject, and in either case Latin represents it in the genitive. If we consider the phrase, "care for the sick", the sick doesn't actually own the care, but Latin in this case puts "the sick" in the genitive.

The subjective genitive marks a noun (or participle, or adjective, or whatever) which is the subject of a nouned action. The objective genitive marks one which is the object. So, in either case, the noun in a sense does "own" the action noun -- if you were to write cura aegrorum, then the sick are the ones being cared for, and so, in an abstract sense, they are possessing the care.

The objective genitive, "love for the federation" or "love of the federation", amor foederationis, means that someone is loving the federation. The subjective genitive, "the federation's love", is also translated amor foederationis, because the federation is doing the loving. One must tell the difference from context. This ambiguity actually makes this phrase as a motto for a country very interesting, because one could read it either way.

[Hyggemata]

OK, so what do you mean by "love for the federation" and "love of the federation"? Are we talking about the federation's love for someone or someone's love for the federation? In either case, the love is an action and isn't actually something owned by the subject, and in either case Latin represents it in the genitive. If we consider the phrase, "care for the sick", the sick doesn't actually own the care, but Latin in this case puts "the sick" in the genitive.

The subjective genitive marks a noun (or participle, or adjective, or whatever) which is the subject of a nouned action. The objective genitive marks one which is the object. So, in either case, the noun in a sense does "own" the action noun -- if you were to write cura aegrorum, then the sick are the ones being cared for, and so, in an abstract sense, they are possessing the care.

The objective genitive, "love for the federation" or "love of the federation", amor foederationis, means that someone is loving the federation. The subjective genitive, "the federation's love", is also translated amor foederationis, because the federation is doing the loving. One must tell the difference from context. This ambiguity actually makes this phrase as a motto for a country very interesting, because one could read it either way.

I meant to quote Giga

[Astrolinium]

The subjective genitive marks a noun (or participle, or adjective, or whatever) which is the subject of a nouned action. The objective genitive marks one which is the object. So, in either case, the noun in a sense does "own" the action noun -- if you were to write cura aegrorum, then the sick are the ones being cared for, and so, in an abstract sense, they are possessing the care.

The objective genitive, "love for the federation" or "love of the federation", amor foederationis, means that someone is loving the federation. The subjective genitive, "the federation's love", is also translated amor foederationis, because the federation is doing the loving. One must tell the difference from context. This ambiguity actually makes this phrase as a motto for a country very interesting, because one could read it either way.

I meant to quote Giga

Ahhhh. I did think it was a bit surprising that I found myself explaining this to you when I'd initially begun with "what Hygg said".

[Gigaverse]

OK, so what do you mean by "love for the federation" and "love of the federation"? Are we talking about the federation's love for someone or someone's love for the federation? In either case, the love is an action and isn't actually something owned by the subject, and in either case Latin represents it in the genitive. If we consider the phrase, "care for the sick", the sick doesn't actually own the care, but Latin in this case puts "the sick" in the genitive.

The subjective genitive marks a noun (or participle, or adjective, or whatever) which is the subject of a nouned action. The objective genitive marks one which is the object. So, in either case, the noun in a sense does "own" the action noun -- if you were to write cura aegrorum, then the sick are the ones being cared for, and so, in an abstract sense, they are possessing the care.

The objective genitive, "love for the federation" or "love of the federation", amor foederationis, means that someone is loving the federation. The subjective genitive, "the federation's love", is also translated amor foederationis, because the federation is doing the loving. One must tell the difference from context. This ambiguity actually makes this phrase as a motto for a country very interesting, because one could read it either way.

Hmm... alright, does this same principle apply to some other things such as "from", "to", etc.?

For example, would "One Throne from/to God" be translated as "Unus Thronus Dei"?

[Astrolinium]

The subjective genitive marks a noun (or participle, or adjective, or whatever) which is the subject of a nouned action. The objective genitive marks one which is the object. So, in either case, the noun in a sense does "own" the action noun -- if you were to write cura aegrorum, then the sick are the ones being cared for, and so, in an abstract sense, they are possessing the care.

The objective genitive, "love for the federation" or "love of the federation", amor foederationis, means that someone is loving the federation. The subjective genitive, "the federation's love", is also translated amor foederationis, because the federation is doing the loving. One must tell the difference from context. This ambiguity actually makes this phrase as a motto for a country very interesting, because one could read it either way.

Hmm... alright, does this same principle apply to some other things such as "from", "to", etc.?

For example, would "One Throne from/to God" be translated as "Unus Thronus Dei"?

No, because the word thronus does not imply an action, so here you would want ex Deo or a Deo or perhaps even de Deo, depending on the exact nuance and context. You use the subjective and objective genitives with nouns that imply an action -- generally, they'll have a similar, associated verb, such as how amor is in many ways the noun form of amare.

[Gigaverse]

Hmm... alright, does this same principle apply to some other things such as "from", "to", etc.?

For example, would "One Throne from/to God" be translated as "Unus Thronus Dei"?

No, because the word thronus does not imply an action, so here you would want ex Deo or a Deo or perhaps even de Deo, depending on the exact nuance and context. You use the subjective and objective genitives with nouns that imply an action -- generally, they'll have a similar, associated verb, such as how amor is in many ways the noun form of amare.

This knowledge should come to aid me a lot in the future, thanks. :ddd

[Astrolinium]

No, because the word thronus does not imply an action, so here you would want ex Deo or a Deo or perhaps even de Deo, depending on the exact nuance and context. You use the subjective and objective genitives with nouns that imply an action -- generally, they'll have a similar, associated verb, such as how amor is in many ways the noun form of amare.

This knowledge should come to aid me a lot in the future, thanks. :ddd

No problem! It's what we're here for.

[Havensky]

How would one say "Birth by Discovery?"

The scenario is that a large number of people (and their descendants) were discovered. (They were being held prisoner.) They didn't exist before because nobody knew they existed - now their re-entry into the world is almost like being born into a whole new world.

Thanks!

[Astrolinium]

How would one say "Birth by Discovery?"

The scenario is that a large number of people (and their descendants) were discovered. (They were being held prisoner.) They didn't exist before because nobody knew they existed - now their re-entry into the world is almost like being born into a whole new world.

Thanks!

Hmmm... I think I might go with something like "Natus ab Inventu".

[Havensky]

Thanks!

[Novorossitov]

What is "Onwards and forwards forever" in Latin? I already have a Google Translate translation, (Et antrorsum in aeternum et ultra.) though I'm not sure it is 100% correct.

[Astrolinium]

What is "Onwards and forwards forever" in Latin? I already have a Google Translate translation, (Et antrorsum in aeternum et ultra.) though I'm not sure it is 100% correct.

1. Never use Google Translate. It is wrong almost 100% of the time.
2. Ultrorsum et Prorsum Sempiterno is what I'd go with.

[Novorossitov]

1. Never use Google Translate. It is wrong almost 100% of the time.
2. Ultrorsum et Prorsum Sempiterno is what I'd go with.

1. Got it.
2. Thank you!

[Hyggemata]

I meant to quote Giga

Ahhhh. I did think it was a bit surprising that I found myself explaining this to you when I'd initially begun with "what Hygg said".

Yes, as you can see, the name of this nation contains the "gamma nasal".

[Astrolinium]

Ahhhh. I did think it was a bit surprising that I found myself explaining this to you when I'd initially begun with "what Hygg said".

Yes, as you can see, the name of this nation contains the "gamma nasal".

It's one of my favorite features of Greek, to be honest. I just think it's neat.

[Hyggemata]

Once more, Third Person Imperative.

[Saint Fedski]

Hi all, what fascinating thread.

I have two phrases/mottos I'm hoping you can help me with.

1)
"From Unity Comes Strength" - meaning that a nation united is strong. Alternatives could be "Unity is strength" or "Strength stems from unity"

2)
"Change comes from within" - meaning that a community can only be improved if the people want it be.

[Astrolinium]

Hi all, what fascinating thread.

I have two phrases/mottos I'm hoping you can help me with.

1)
"From Unity Comes Strength" - meaning that a nation united is strong. Alternatives could be "Unity is strength" or "Strength stems from unity"

2)
"Change comes from within" - meaning that a community can only be improved if the people want it be.

1) Ex Unitate Vis
2) Mutatio Deintus

[Exiled Portugal]

Hey, this is an awesome thread and I was wondering if you could help me with these three mottos, one for each of my Nations.

1)Get them hard, get them good

2) Para Patria, Povo, e Rei (For Fatherland, People, and King)

3) Ave Glória, Ave Império (Can't seem to get the English translation for this one, it's in Portuguese, so it's fine if you can't translate this one)

[Astrolinium]

Hey, this is an awesome thread and I was wondering if you could help me with these three mottos, one for each of my Nations.

1)Get them hard, get them good

2) Para Patria, Povo, e Rei (For Fatherland, People, and King)

3) Ave Glória, Ave Império (Can't seem to get the English translation for this one, it's in Portuguese, so it's fine if you can't translate this one)

1) Gonna need more context, or I can guarantee you that my translation of "get them hard" is not going to be what you meant.
2)Pro Patria, Populo, et Rege
3)Ave Gloria, Ave Imperium

Translating from Romance languages to Latin is usually super easy because they're so similar.

[Tracian Empire]

Me again, I hope that I'm not abusing the thread too much, but how would you say, the Sun is victorious?

[Gigaverse]

Me again, I hope that I'm not abusing the thread too much, but how would you say, the Sun is victorious?

Sol Victoriosus est.

Food for thought, but Sol Invictus est is also nice-sounding (though not meaning the same - "invictus" is more "undefeated/invincible" than it is "victorious").

[Tracian Empire]

Me again, I hope that I'm not abusing the thread too much, but how would you say, the Sun is victorious?

Sol Victoriosus est.

Food for thought, but Sol Invictus est is also nice-sounding (though not meaning the same - "invictus" is more "undefeated/invincible" than it is "victorious").

Oh, yeah, the second is nice.

Thanks!

[Gigaverse]

Sol Victoriosus est.

Food for thought, but Sol Invictus est is also nice-sounding (though not meaning the same - "invictus" is more "undefeated/invincible" than it is "victorious").

Oh, yeah, the second is nice.

Thanks!

No probs! :d