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Postby Aquophia » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:01 pm

Leepaidamba wrote:
Aquophia wrote:It is. They just call it italian nowadays. :p

I took 3 years of latin, it's a shame ive forgotten so much already. Maybe someone can help with this one?

"We are not that kind of nation anymore."

Some others call it Spanish, or French, or Portuguese, or Romanian, or Catalan, or Monegasque, or Walloon, or Moldavian, Or Quebecois, or Romansh, or Occitan... I could go on for a while. None of those languages come close to the real thing though.

Anyways here's your translation:
"Talis natio non iam sumus"
Thanks, man! Looks far better than the google version. :p

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Postby Ruridova » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:57 pm

To Achieve Unity, One Must First Achieve Diversity
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"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink; I was a stranger and you invited me in; I needed clothes and you clothed me; I was sick and you looked after me; I was in prison and you came to visit me... Truly, whatever you did for one of the least of my brothers and sisters, you did for me."
- the Gospel of Matthew, 25:35-40

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Postby Leepaidamba » Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:05 pm

Ruridova wrote:To Achieve Unity, One Must First Achieve Diversity

"Per Attingiendam Unitatem, Prius Attingiendam Diversitatem Est"

You can also use the more (I suppose) archaic variants of "Attingiendam" which have "Ad-" instead of "At-" or the (I suppose) later variants which have lost the "-n-". Apparently using both variants together is also possible but I doubt it. Alternatively to "Prius" you can also use "Ante" which also means "before" (besides adding a possibility for elision before and after it which makes everything flow better but it just might be too much (think this: "Per AttingiendUnitat,AntAttingiendam DiversitatEst" versus "Per AttingiendUnitatem, Prius Attingiendam DiversitatEst") but that's only if you want it to be read like that anyway). Finally you may also use "Differentiam" or "Variantiam" instead of "Diversitatem".
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Official name: the Grand Duchy of Leepaidamba
Short name: Amba
AKA: the Grand Duchy
Demonym: Leepaidamban/Amban
HoS: co-Grand Dukes David I and Anna I
HoG: Premier Jaap de Waal
Region: Nederland
Map by PB
FlagsNational animal: Rabit
National motto: "Paene est non." (Almost is not)
National anthem: " 't Lied der Vrijheid" (the Song of Freedom)
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Postby Joshuahood » Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:13 pm

Lyanna Stark wrote:I'm just curious if "Ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne" is properly translated as: "Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be". I quite like it and have debated using it, for the Anne Boleyn reference, as my motto..just want to make sure the translation is correct. :P


Ooh ooh! Joshuahood knows French too!
"Ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne."
"Thus it will be, grumble [imperative] (ye?) who grumbles."
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Postby The Pretend Pub » Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:23 pm

Leepaidamba wrote:
Ruridova wrote:To Achieve Unity, One Must First Achieve Diversity

"Per Attingere Unitatem, Prius Attingiendum Diversitatem Est"


If you're using "Per" in its sense of "for the sake of," I'm thinking you'd need the accusative singular masculine/feminine present participial form of attingere (attingentem), as a verbal adjective modifying unitatem, the object of per, wouldn't you?
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Postby Leepaidamba » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:06 am

The Pretend Pub wrote:
Leepaidamba wrote:"Per Attingere Unitatem, Prius Attingiendum Diversitatem Est"


If you're using "Per" in its sense of "for the sake of," I'm thinking you'd need the accusative singular masculine/feminine present participial form of attingere (attingentem), as a verbal adjective modifying unitatem, the object of per, wouldn't you?

But then I'd be using the present participle, not the gerundive as you seem to be suggesting. You're right though, they should both be gerundive, though for different reasons. I'm pretty sure the gender on the second is wrong too so I'll have it changed.
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Official name: the Grand Duchy of Leepaidamba
Short name: Amba
AKA: the Grand Duchy
Demonym: Leepaidamban/Amban
HoS: co-Grand Dukes David I and Anna I
HoG: Premier Jaap de Waal
Region: Nederland
Map by PB
FlagsNational animal: Rabit
National motto: "Paene est non." (Almost is not)
National anthem: " 't Lied der Vrijheid" (the Song of Freedom)
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Postby Knollen » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:54 am

Can you translate ''We never fall without rising'', please?

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Postby The Pretend Pub » Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:40 pm

But I am suggesting you use the present participle instead of the gerundive. The gerundive can express purpose with ad or causa, but if you're going with per, that can express purpose all by itself, so attingentem is just a simple participle modifying unitatem, the object of per.
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Postby Ruridova » Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:52 pm

Leepaidamba wrote:
Ruridova wrote:To Achieve Unity, One Must First Achieve Diversity

"Per Attingiendam Unitatem, Prius Attingiendam Diversitatem Est"

You can also use the more (I suppose) archaic variants of "Attingiendam" which have "Ad-" instead of "At-" or the (I suppose) later variants which have lost the "-n-". Apparently using both variants together is also possible but I doubt it. Alternatively to "Prius" you can also use "Ante" which also means "before" (besides adding a possibility for elision before and after it which makes everything flow better but it just might be too much (think this: "Per AttingiendUnitat,AntAttingiendam DiversitatEst" versus "Per AttingiendUnitatem, Prius Attingiendam DiversitatEst") but that's only if you want it to be read like that anyway). Finally you may also use "Differentiam" or "Variantiam" instead of "Diversitatem".

Sadly, that won't fit...
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Postby Leepaidamba » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:00 am

The Pretend Pub wrote:But I am suggesting you use the present participle instead of the gerundive. The gerundive can express purpose with ad or causa, but if you're going with per, that can express purpose all by itself, so attingentem is just a simple participle modifying unitatem, the object of per.

I don't really understand what you're saying. Don't we need a form of the infinitive, which a participle isn't?
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Official name: the Grand Duchy of Leepaidamba
Short name: Amba
AKA: the Grand Duchy
Demonym: Leepaidamban/Amban
HoS: co-Grand Dukes David I and Anna I
HoG: Premier Jaap de Waal
Region: Nederland
Map by PB
FlagsNational animal: Rabit
National motto: "Paene est non." (Almost is not)
National anthem: " 't Lied der Vrijheid" (the Song of Freedom)
CapitalsCurrency: Amban Florin/Aƒ
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Postby Leepaidamba » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:05 am

Ruridova wrote:
Leepaidamba wrote:"Per Attingiendam Unitatem, Prius Attingiendam Diversitatem Est"

You can also use the more (I suppose) archaic variants of "Attingiendam" which have "Ad-" instead of "At-" or the (I suppose) later variants which have lost the "-n-". Apparently using both variants together is also possible but I doubt it. Alternatively to "Prius" you can also use "Ante" which also means "before" (besides adding a possibility for elision before and after it which makes everything flow better but it just might be too much (think this: "Per AttingiendUnitat,AntAttingiendam DiversitatEst" versus "Per AttingiendUnitatem, Prius Attingiendam DiversitatEst") but that's only if you want it to be read like that anyway). Finally you may also use "Differentiam" or "Variantiam" instead of "Diversitatem".

Sadly, that won't fit...

Leave out the "-n-" in "Attingiendam", leave out "Est" and use "Ante" for "Prius" and you'll be fine, but only just. I'm not completely sure on the translation so I'll get back to you when Bluth and I are done discussing.
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Official name: the Grand Duchy of Leepaidamba
Short name: Amba
AKA: the Grand Duchy
Demonym: Leepaidamban/Amban
HoS: co-Grand Dukes David I and Anna I
HoG: Premier Jaap de Waal
Region: Nederland
Map by PB
FlagsNational animal: Rabit
National motto: "Paene est non." (Almost is not)
National anthem: " 't Lied der Vrijheid" (the Song of Freedom)
CapitalsCurrency: Amban Florin/Aƒ
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Postby Urumgard » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:11 am

Can you translate, "For the King! For the Country! For the Urum!" and "For the Queen! For the Country! For the Urum!" please.

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Postby Leepaidamba » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:26 am

Urumgard wrote:Can you translate, "For the King! For the Country! For the Urum!" and "For the Queen! For the Country! For the Urum!" please.

"Regi(nae)! Finibus! Uro!"
The -nae is for the female.
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Official name: the Grand Duchy of Leepaidamba
Short name: Amba
AKA: the Grand Duchy
Demonym: Leepaidamban/Amban
HoS: co-Grand Dukes David I and Anna I
HoG: Premier Jaap de Waal
Region: Nederland
Map by PB
FlagsNational animal: Rabit
National motto: "Paene est non." (Almost is not)
National anthem: " 't Lied der Vrijheid" (the Song of Freedom)
CapitalsCurrency: Amban Florin/Aƒ
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Postby Urumgard » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:33 am

Wait... Urum translates? I thought I'd made that word up!

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Postby United Earthlings » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:32 am

Already have the Latin motto, after consulting numerous sources I translated it myself, what I would like is those more knowledgeable to translate it back to English to see how accurately it matches the original English version I started with as a comparison.

Here's the phrase: “Nam Rex, Pro Patria, Pro Pace”
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Postby Astrolinium » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:54 am

Urumgard wrote:Wait... Urum translates? I thought I'd made that word up!


You did, but it nicely works as a perfectly good Latin noun which declines the same as other nouns such as forum, imperium, and plaustrum.

United Earthlings wrote:Already have the Latin motto, after consulting numerous sources I translated it myself, what I would like is those more knowledgeable to translate it back to English to see how accurately it matches the original English version I started with as a comparison.

Here's the phrase: “Nam Rex, Pro Patria, Pro Pace”


You'll want "Pro Rege, Pro Patria, Pro Pace". Though I do believe simply "Regi, Patriae, Paci" would also work. ;)

Your issue, by the way, is that "nam" means "for" in the sense of, "I will go to school, for I am a student."
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Postby Leepaidamba » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:02 pm

Urumgard wrote:Wait... Urum translates? I thought I'd made that word up!

It turns out to mean wild ox in the accusative singular or if your Vergil also in the genitive plural. :p
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Official name: the Grand Duchy of Leepaidamba
Short name: Amba
AKA: the Grand Duchy
Demonym: Leepaidamban/Amban
HoS: co-Grand Dukes David I and Anna I
HoG: Premier Jaap de Waal
Region: Nederland
Map by PB
FlagsNational animal: Rabit
National motto: "Paene est non." (Almost is not)
National anthem: " 't Lied der Vrijheid" (the Song of Freedom)
CapitalsCurrency: Amban Florin/Aƒ
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Postby Trez-Nem » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:32 pm

Could I have "Victory through unity" translated. (I don't know if it is said like that in English, but I hope it's right)
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Postby The Harrowlands » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:42 pm

Can my motto be translated: "God Defend the Harrowlands" or just "God Defend Harrow"? Cheers.
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Postby Leepaidamba » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:58 pm

Trez-Nem wrote:Could I have "Victory through unity" translated. (I don't know if it is said like that in English, but I hope it's right)

"Victoria/Triumphus per unitatem"
The Harrowlands wrote:Can my motto be translated: "God Defend the Harrowlands" or just "God Defend Harrow"? Cheers.

Hmm, I don't know if it's possible to have "Deus" in the vocative. Looks weird anyway. Well, I guess we'll have to live with it.
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Official name: the Grand Duchy of Leepaidamba
Short name: Amba
AKA: the Grand Duchy
Demonym: Leepaidamban/Amban
HoS: co-Grand Dukes David I and Anna I
HoG: Premier Jaap de Waal
Region: Nederland
Map by PB
FlagsNational animal: Rabit
National motto: "Paene est non." (Almost is not)
National anthem: " 't Lied der Vrijheid" (the Song of Freedom)
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Postby The Harrowlands » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:41 pm

That's great, thanks
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Postby Trez-Nem » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:41 am

Thanks!
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Postby Urumgard » Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:59 am

Leepaidamba wrote:
Urumgard wrote:Wait... Urum translates? I thought I'd made that word up!

It turns out to mean wild ox in the accusative singular or if your Vergil also in the genitive plural. :p

Heh, I have no idea what any of that means! Trust me, in my nation's canon it does not mean a wild ox. :rofl:

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Postby Hjornis » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:06 am

age quod agis guess my motto is right, right?
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Postby Leepaidamba » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:48 am

Hjornis wrote:age quod agis guess my motto is right, right?

Do what you do? I'd say so.
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Official name: the Grand Duchy of Leepaidamba
Short name: Amba
AKA: the Grand Duchy
Demonym: Leepaidamban/Amban
HoS: co-Grand Dukes David I and Anna I
HoG: Premier Jaap de Waal
Region: Nederland
Map by PB
FlagsNational animal: Rabit
National motto: "Paene est non." (Almost is not)
National anthem: " 't Lied der Vrijheid" (the Song of Freedom)
CapitalsCurrency: Amban Florin/Aƒ
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