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Yes, the intended meaning is to advance to the future, or to progress socially and technologically.
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Almonaster Nuevo wrote:I think the intended meaning is something like proceed, progress, or advance. Does that suggest anything?
Sarcana wrote:Yes, the intended meaning is to advance to the future, or to progress socially and technologically.
That does help! These would be my final suggestions:
Ab hinc usque ad profectum (literally, "From here all the way to progress")
Ad profectum (lit. "To progress")
Proferte ad profectum (lit. "Advance to progress")
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:23 am

For a species of horse "of a different colour", would Equus heterocolor be good enough Latin for its scientific name?

My lands and their neighbours have two related genera of mammals that are known colloquially as 'Cave Shrews' and 'Stink-Rats' respectively (although they're actually not closely related either to 'true' shrews or to true 'rats...). Would the names Spelaeosorex and Mephitirattus (or should that be Mephitorattus'?) be good enough Latin?
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Bears Armed wrote:For a species of horse "of a different colour", would Equus heterocolor be good enough Latin for its scientific name?

My lands and their neighbours have two related genera of mammals that are known colloquially as 'Cave Shrews' and 'Stink-Rats' respectively (although they're actually not closely related either to 'true' shrews or to true 'rats...). Would the names Spelaeosorex and Mephitirattus (or should that be Mephitorattus'?) be good enough Latin?


Hetero is Greek, whereas color is Latin. I know taxonomy nowadays permits the two being used together, but to express a different colour, I'd probably try E. altercolor.

Actually, it seems heterocolor is a well-establish specific epithet. Nevermind.
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Postby Conoga » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:32 am

Bears Armed wrote:My lands and their neighbours have two related genera of mammals that are known colloquially as 'Cave Shrews' and 'Stink-Rats' respectively (although they're actually not closely related either to 'true' shrews or to true 'rats...). Would the names Spelaeosorex and Mephitirattus (or should that be Mephitorattus'?) be good enough Latin?
The first one looks really Greek. Sorex seems also more mouse-y, consider migale.
Mephitirattus is probably fine.

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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:43 am

Conoga wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:My lands and their neighbours have two related genera of mammals that are known colloquially as 'Cave Shrews' and 'Stink-Rats' respectively (although they're actually not closely related either to 'true' shrews or to true 'rats...). Would the names Spelaeosorex and Mephitirattus (or should that be Mephitorattus'?) be good enough Latin?
The first one looks really Greek. Sorex seems also more mouse-y, consider migale.
Mephitirattus is probably fine.

If that's too Greek, can you suggest a good Latin alternative?
Sorex is actually one of the main genera [in RL as well as the IDU] of "true" Shrews, so I think that its name is one that a taxonomist might plausibly have incorporated into the name for another shrew-like animal.

Thank you re Mephitirattus.
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Postby Conoga » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:04 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Conoga wrote:The first one looks really Greek. Sorex seems also more mouse-y, consider migale.
Mephitirattus is probably fine.

If that's too Greek, can you suggest a good Latin alternative?
Sorex is actually one of the main genera [in RL as well as the IDU] of "true" Shrews, so I think that its name is one that a taxonomist might plausibly have incorporated into the name for another shrew-like animal.

Thank you re Mephitirattus.
It's fine, actually. I'd not seen the word spelaeum before, it comes from Greek but it is Latin. I'd've said something like cavatosorex.

I might be too far gone from school to be doing this, haha.
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Postby Danceria » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:45 am

Is there a say I can way (in the manner of Carthago delenda est) "The Princess must be married"?
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Postby Astrolinium » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:52 am

Danceria wrote:Is there a say I can way (in the manner of Carthago delenda est) "The Princess must be married"?


Reginula nubenda est.

There's not really a good word for "princess" in Latin, so "reginula" literally means "little queen".
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:39 am

It’s me here, again, but this time with a different sort of request:

I’m going to create, and hope that I will be able to find the time to role-play in these forums, a nation based on concepts from a Roleplaying Game setting that I originally started designing over twenty years ago and have recently dug back out of storage after about a decade’s lapse.
This setting centres on a version of ancient Britain that, as some medieval chroniclers claimed was the case in RL, had been colonized at one stage by a fleet of Trojan refugees. The country’s deities include not only some who were of ‘Classical’ origins but also various others who were worshipped in RL Europe (most of whom I’m claiming, for this purpose, were actually of more basic ‘European’ origins rather than linked only to the specific peoples — mostly branches of the Celts — among whom their worship existed in RL history) as well as other whose details I have basically “extrapolated” from mythology or later folklore (i.e., largely invented…) to fill gaps. These deities can have ‘aspects’, specialising in & worshipped for different roles, each of whom can be distinguished from the others by the addition of at least one ‘Epithet’ to its name… and I would appreciate some help in finding suitable Epithets for some aspects of some deities.
Because these Trojan leaders had connections with the Trojans who settled [in RL tradition, and in this setting as a definite historical fact as well] in Italy but their original language was closely related to ‘Achaean’ Greek (This idea is a matter of dispute among RL scholars, but the arguments in favour seem good enough to count it as correct for this setting) terms in either Latin or maybe-Latinised Greek would be useable. I’d actually prefer terms with Greek roots rather than purely Latin ones, but bearing in mind this thread’s title I’ll happily accept any suitable suggestions that you feel like giving me.

To start with, the important goddess Ekwona — known to Celts and Romans as ‘Epona’, and primarily a goddess of horses & horsemanship — has two Aspects for which I need still Epithets:
1/ as goddess of charioteers & other users of horse-drawn vehicles, she might be ‘Ekwona [the Charioteer]’ or ‘Ekwona [of the Wheel]’ or something else in a similar vein.
2/ as a goddess of horse-tamers and [the rare, except among Amazons] female wrestlers — the latter being a role derived from Her own use of wrestling skills, in this setting’s mythology, to defeat the God of [Wild] Horses and thereby take some of his former subjects for Her own use — she would be ‘Ekwona [the Wrestler]’.
(If the epithets’ proper endings would vary according to the subjects’ genders then in these cases, obviously, it should be the ‘feminine’ endings used…)

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Bears Armed wrote:To start with, the important goddess Ekwona — known to Celts and Romans as ‘Epona’, and primarily a goddess of horses & horsemanship — has two Aspects for which I need still Epithets:
1/ as goddess of charioteers & other users of horse-drawn vehicles, she might be ‘Ekwona [the Charioteer]’ or ‘Ekwona [of the Wheel]’ or something else in a similar vein.
2/ as a goddess of horse-tamers and [the rare, except among Amazons] female wrestlers — the latter being a role derived from Her own use of wrestling skills, in this setting’s mythology, to defeat the God of [Wild] Horses and thereby take some of his former subjects for Her own use — she would be ‘Ekwona [the Wrestler]’.
(If the epithets’ proper endings would vary according to the subjects’ genders then in these cases, obviously, it should be the ‘feminine’ endings used…)

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Essedaria would be "of the chariot," or just a charioteer, especially if Brythonic.
Pancratiasta is an obscenely Greek word for a specific kind of Greek martial artist involving wrestling, pancratium. It's kind of like ancient MMA, yeah? Athleta or maybe ceroma is, more generally and less Grecian, a fighter or wrestler.

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Postby Almonaster Nuevo » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:52 am

You could a;so have auriga for a charioteer, or lucador for a wrestler.
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Postby Nau States » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:55 pm

How would one say, "Never before has such glory been seen"?
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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:00 pm

Nau States wrote:How would one say, "Never before has such glory been seen"?

Numquam prius est gloria videta ista
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Postby Astrolinium » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:55 am

Conoga wrote:
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Last should be nostris (ablative), but aside from that, yeah.

Nau States wrote:How would one say, "Never before has such glory been seen"?


Numquam prius talis gloria visa est!

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Nau States wrote:How would one say, "Never before has such glory been seen"?

Numquam prius est gloria videta ista


This is nonsense and I'm quite curious how you arrived at it. "Videta" is not the passive participle of "video" at all and "ista" doesn't mean anything remotely like "such".
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Astrolinium wrote:
Conoga wrote:Pro libertate nostra, pro finibus nostros


Last should be nostris (ablative), but aside from that, yeah.

Nau States wrote:How would one say, "Never before has such glory been seen"?


Numquam prius talis gloria visa est!

Erythrean Thebes wrote:Numquam prius est gloria videta ista


This is nonsense and I'm quite curious how you arrived at it. "Videta" is not the passive participle of "video" at all and "ista" doesn't mean anything remotely like "such".

It's just the mistake which you described. But ista is appropriate for something which is close to the addressee "such [x]" being something near to the person spoken to.
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:55 am

Conoga wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:To start with, the important goddess Ekwona — known to Celts and Romans as ‘Epona’, and primarily a goddess of horses & horsemanship — has two Aspects for which I need still Epithets:
1/ as goddess of charioteers & other users of horse-drawn vehicles, she might be ‘Ekwona [the Charioteer]’ or ‘Ekwona [of the Wheel]’ or something else in a similar vein.
2/ as a goddess of horse-tamers and [the rare, except among Amazons] female wrestlers — the latter being a role derived from Her own use of wrestling skills, in this setting’s mythology, to defeat the God of [Wild] Horses and thereby take some of his former subjects for Her own use — she would be ‘Ekwona [the Wrestler]’.
(If the epithets’ proper endings would vary according to the subjects’ genders then in these cases, obviously, it should be the ‘feminine’ endings used…)

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Essedaria would be "of the chariot," or just a charioteer, especially if Brythonic.
Pancratiasta is an obscenely Greek word for a specific kind of Greek martial artist involving wrestling, pancratium. It's kind of like ancient MMA, yeah? Athleta or maybe ceroma is, more generally and less Grecian, a fighter or wrestler.

Almonaster Nuevo wrote:You could also have auriga for a charioteer, or lucador for a wrestler.


My thanks to both of you.
I’ll go with ‘Auriga’ for the ‘Charioteer’ aspect, because this term would have been adopted by the Neo-Trojans several centuries before the Brythons also arrived here. (I’ve rejected Geoffrey of Monmouth’s suggestion that the Trojan settlers & their languages developed into the historical ‘Ancient Britons’ & the Brythonic tongue, not only because that doesn’t work in terms of what we now know about linguistics — let alone archaeology — but also because using that idea wouldn’t let me use the two separate cultures as neighbours that interact with each other.) Chariots were actually in use in Britain before the Trojans arrived, too, but the earlier human culture’s “Chariot God” was so thoroughly destroyed in battle by one of the invading Giants’ deities that even his name was lost…
I’ll go with either ‘Athleta’ or ‘Ceroma’ (Is there any difference in meaning between them? And does ‘Atheleta’ have similar connotations of overall physical ftness to the modern word ‘athlete’, as well? ) for the ‘Wrestler’ aspect: ‘Pancratiasta’ would be too specialised (especially as Ekwona wouldn’t have been using Pancration…)...
and ‘Lucador’ looks too… Mexican. ;)

Neither archaeology nor mythology gives us any real details about Epona/Ekwona’s familial relationships, but I’ve decided that in this setting she’s a daughter of the solar Titan Helios: What would be a suitable epithet for her in this context? ‘Helia, ‘Heliosa’, ‘Heliosea’, or something like that?

This nation has now been created, as Bruttain, and I’ve started to describe it in a ’factbook’ thread.
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Postby Conoga » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:29 pm

Athleta is a contestant in public games, ceroma is specifically wrestling

Something like Phaëtone or aprica, maybe

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Postby Bruttain » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:42 am

Conoga wrote:Athleta is a contestant in public games, ceroma is specifically wrestling

Actually, thinking further, I might use both of those designations as alternative epithets for this single Aspect, with which is used in a specific situation tending to depend on the nature of the effort in which Her aid is hoped-for.

Conoga wrote:Something like Phaëtone or aprica, maybe

‘Phaëtone’ does look like a good idea to me, yes, especially as mythology names another daughter of Helios as Phaethusa. I’m now also considering ‘Chryse (i.e. ‘Golden’) for this.


In a ‘Who’s Who in Classical Mythology’, I've found ‘Elater’ as a Greek term for “Driver” (meaning “Charioteer”), and I might use this instead of ‘Auriga’.

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Postby Conoga » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:06 pm

Bruttain wrote:
Conoga wrote:Athleta is a contestant in public games, ceroma is specifically wrestling

Actually, thinking further, I might use both of those designations as alternative epithets for this single Aspect, with which is used in a specific situation tending to depend on the nature of the effort in which Her aid is hoped-for.

Conoga wrote:Something like Phaëtone or aprica, maybe

‘Phaëtone’ does look like a good idea to me, yes, especially as mythology names another daughter of Helios as Phaethusa. I’m now also considering ‘Chryse (i.e. ‘Golden’) for this.


In a ‘Who’s Who in Classical Mythology’, I've found ‘Elater’ as a Greek term for “Driver” (meaning “Charioteer”), and I might use this instead of ‘Auriga’.
Chrysea, probably
Elatrix is a maybe feminine form, my Greek's bad

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Is this thread still useable?

Anyways, how would you say "The First Book of the Future Witness."?
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Postby Great Nortend » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:58 am

'Primus liber futuri testis' is my guess.
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