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Postby Kanglia » Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:31 pm

Demetland wrote:
Kanglia wrote:"For justice and peace"
I didn't trawl this thread, so sue me if someone has already said this :p


Pro pace et iustitia.


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English: Peace by action, unity through government

Latin: In pace agendi, unitatis per regimen
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Postby Hipsters with Nuclear Missiles » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:20 pm

Demetland wrote:
Hipsters with Nuclear Missiles wrote:How about "Doing good, as good as we can?" As a nice morally ambiguous motto for my state police. Thank you!


Benefaciens, quam optime. Sadly the repetition of 'good' isn't preserved because of the idiomatic rendering of 'as good as we can.'

Thanks so much, Demetland!
And one more question, I've also been offered this alternate translation: Bonum facimus, quam optime. Would you be able to explain the difference between Benefaciens and Bonum facimus? Sorry again for the trouble, but much appreciated.
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Postby Demetland » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:47 pm

Hipsters with Nuclear Missiles wrote:
Demetland wrote:
Benefaciens, quam optime. Sadly the repetition of 'good' isn't preserved because of the idiomatic rendering of 'as good as we can.'

Thanks so much, Demetland!
And one more question, I've also been offered this alternate translation: Bonum facimus, quam optime. Would you be able to explain the difference between Benefaciens and Bonum facimus? Sorry again for the trouble, but much appreciated.


Well, benefaciens is a present participle (i.e. meaning 'doing good'), whereas the facimus in bonum facimus is just the form of the verb that means 'we do/are doing.'

To be honest, you could say benefaciens, or bonum faciens. Or benefacimus or bonum facimus. They both work for what you want so which one you choose depends on your preference. But I prefer benefaciens (or benefacimus because bene is the more obvious adverbial form of 'good.'

In the bonum facimus version, bonum is the neuter of bonus (adjective, = good). Neuter adjectives are frequently used as adverbs in Latin so it works just as well. Alternatively it could be interpreted as standing in for a noun (i.e. meaning 'a good thing').
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:29 am

A further request for help with taxonomic Latin:
I know that 'Hippopotamus' (with both roots actually from Greek originally, rather than from Latin?) can be translated into English as 'River Horse'. My region has another family of aquatic herbivorous mammals, whose currently-extant genus I would like to give a name translating as something along the lines of 'Water Horse'. Any suggestions for the taxonomic Latin form? And what would the genitive version of this, which is needed for forming the 'family' name, be?

(My first thought was 'Hippocampus', because that name was used in Medieval folklore -- or, at least, in Heraldry -- to denote a being that's horse in front & fish behind, but that name turns out to be in use already for a RL genus of [fish] 'Seahorse'...)
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Postby Gigaverse » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:29 am

Bears Armed wrote:A further request for help with taxonomic Latin:
I know that 'Hippopotamus' (with both roots actually from Greek originally, rather than from Latin?) can be translated into English as 'River Horse'. My region has another family of aquatic herbivorous mammals, whose currently-extant genus I would like to give a name translating as something along the lines of 'Water Horse'. Any suggestions for the taxonomic Latin form? And what would the genitive version of this, which is needed for forming the 'family' name, be?

(My first thought was 'Hippocampus', because that name was used in Medieval folklore -- or, at least, in Heraldry -- to denote a being that's horse in front & fish behind, but that name turns out to be in use already for a RL genus of [fish] 'Seahorse'...)

If you want a name that particularly parallels Hippopotamus' "river horse", then I suggest Hippydor for "water horse".
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:31 am

Gigaverse wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:A further request for help with taxonomic Latin:
I know that 'Hippopotamus' (with both roots actually from Greek originally, rather than from Latin?) can be translated into English as 'River Horse'. My region has another family of aquatic herbivorous mammals, whose currently-extant genus I would like to give a name translating as something along the lines of 'Water Horse'. Any suggestions for the taxonomic Latin form? And what would the genitive version of this, which is needed for forming the 'family' name, be?

(My first thought was 'Hippocampus', because that name was used in Medieval folklore -- or, at least, in Heraldry -- to denote a being that's horse in front & fish behind, but that name turns out to be in use already for a RL genus of [fish] 'Seahorse'...)

If you want a name that particularly parallels Hippopotamus' "river horse", then I suggest Hippydor for "water horse".

That sounds lovely: Thank you!
:)
Presumably the derived Family name (Genus name, genitive case, with the '-idae' suffix) would simply be Hippydoridae?
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Postby Gigaverse » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:01 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Gigaverse wrote:If you want a name that particularly parallels Hippopotamus' "river horse", then I suggest Hippydor for "water horse".

That sounds lovely: Thank you!
:)
Presumably the derived Family name (Genus name, genitive case, with the '-idae' suffix) would simply be Hippydoridae?

Do it without the o. Hippydridae.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:17 am

Gigaverse wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:That sounds lovely: Thank you!
:)
Presumably the derived Family name (Genus name, genitive case, with the '-idae' suffix) would simply be Hippydoridae?

Do it without the o. Hippydridae.

Thank you, again.

(Incidentally, in case anybody here is interested enough to wonder about the matter, the animals in question here are descendants of an extinct stock [that existed in RL too] called the Anthracobunidae, in a side-branch of the Order Perissodactyla or 'Odd-toed Ungulates' [the main branch of which includes such groups as the Horses, Tapirs, & Rhinoceroses], that have evolved to fill similar roles to RL's Manatee & Dugong...)
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:26 am

What would be ‘the United Blood Courts Of Versilia’ in Latin?
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Postby Gigaverse » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:00 pm

The Islands of Versilia wrote:What would be ‘the United Blood Courts Of Versilia’ in Latin?

which is united, the blood or the courts
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:07 pm

Gigaverse wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:What would be ‘the United Blood Courts Of Versilia’ in Latin?

which is united, the blood or the courts

Bloods courts are aristocratic councils of vampires. The United part is that they were all brought under one banner.
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Postby Gigaverse » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:14 pm

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Gigaverse wrote:which is united, the blood or the courts

Bloods courts are aristocratic councils of vampires. The United part is that they were all brought under one banner.

then Curiae Sanguinis Unitae Versiliae.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:24 pm

Gigaverse wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:Bloods courts are aristocratic councils of vampires. The United part is that they were all brought under one banner.

then Curiae Sanguinis Unitae Versiliae.

Thanks!
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:32 am

Does anybody here feel like helping me out with taxonomic Latin again?

This nation & some other parts of its home region have an endemic species of 'Marsh Deer'.
The genus name is Elaphurus, as for the RL Père David's Deer (= Elaphurus davidianus), which I think counts as masculine.
So, for the full Latin binomial for our resident species, should I use Elaphurus palustrianus? Elaphurus palustris? Elaphurus (something else)?
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Postby Mount Seymour » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:15 pm

Bears Armed wrote:Does anybody here feel like helping me out with taxonomic Latin again?

This nation & some other parts of its home region have an endemic species of 'Marsh Deer'.
The genus name is Elaphurus, as for the RL Père David's Deer (= Elaphurus davidianus), which I think counts as masculine.
So, for the full Latin binomial for our resident species, should I use Elaphurus palustrianus? Elaphurus palustris? Elaphurus (something else)?

Not an expert in Latin, but palustris certainly seems to be the accepted term (regardless of its Latin accuracy):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palustris
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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:15 pm

Hipsters with Nuclear Missiles wrote:
Demetland wrote:
Benefaciens, quam optime. Sadly the repetition of 'good' isn't preserved because of the idiomatic rendering of 'as good as we can.'

Thanks so much, Demetland!
And one more question, I've also been offered this alternate translation: Bonum facimus, quam optime. Would you be able to explain the difference between Benefaciens and Bonum facimus? Sorry again for the trouble, but much appreciated.


Another good Latin rendering of this is "Valemus, Optissime" (means basically "we are well, in fact as well as can be") which avoids some of the clunky verb arrangements that come out of trying to follow the English syntax identically
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Postby Roland Prime » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:26 pm

Erythrean Thebes wrote:
Hipsters with Nuclear Missiles wrote:Thanks so much, Demetland!
And one more question, I've also been offered this alternate translation: Bonum facimus, quam optime. Would you be able to explain the difference between Benefaciens and Bonum facimus? Sorry again for the trouble, but much appreciated.


Another good Latin rendering of this is "Valemus, Optissime" (means basically "we are well, in fact as well as can be") which avoids some of the clunky verb arrangements that come out of trying to follow the English syntax identically

Yeah, I've always been a big fan of this one.
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Postby Finswedeway » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:00 pm

A motto I've always played around with is "IN VINO VERITAS"

in wine, there is truth.
To survive the coming age, we must adapt, resist populist influences, and root out greedy tyranny from the hallowed halls of government, and as God is my witness, we will survive.
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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:34 am

Mount Seymour wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Does anybody here feel like helping me out with taxonomic Latin again?

This nation & some other parts of its home region have an endemic species of 'Marsh Deer'.
The genus name is Elaphurus, as for the RL Père David's Deer (= Elaphurus davidianus), which I think counts as masculine.
So, for the full Latin binomial for our resident species, should I use Elaphurus palustrianus? Elaphurus palustris? Elaphurus (something else)?

Not an expert in Latin, but palustris certainly seems to be the accepted term (regardless of its Latin accuracy):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palustris

Thank you. I wondered whether it should be palustrianus instead because of Pere David's Deer being davidianus...
Anybody else wish to comment?
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Postby Gigaverse » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:58 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Mount Seymour wrote:Not an expert in Latin, but palustris certainly seems to be the accepted term (regardless of its Latin accuracy):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palustris

Thank you. I wondered whether it should be palustrianus instead because of Pere David's Deer being davidianus...
Anybody else wish to comment?

paluster and paludester, technically; declined according to noun gender.

In fact, to make it more direct, you should see this for yourself and determine which of the terms derived from it is the best for what you want to express by "marsh".

In case you're not sure, come back to us again.
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:21 am

Gigaverse wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Thank you. I wondered whether it should be palustrianus instead because of Pere David's Deer being davidianus...
Anybody else wish to comment?

paluster and paludester, technically; declined according to noun gender.

In fact, to make it more direct, you should see this for yourself and determine which of the terms derived from it is the best for what you want to express by "marsh".

In case you're not sure, come back to us again.

:blink:
So all of the RL species that are designated palustris are labelled incorrectly?
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(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
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Postby Gigaverse » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:40 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Gigaverse wrote:paluster and paludester, technically; declined according to noun gender.

In fact, to make it more direct, you should see this for yourself and determine which of the terms derived from it is the best for what you want to express by "marsh".

In case you're not sure, come back to us again.

:blink:
So all of the RL species that are designated palustris are labelled incorrectly?

Several days late for this, but...

Funny you should say.
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:46 am

More taxonomic help requested, please:

‘Loyal Swan’, or ‘Fidelity Swan’ = Cygnus fidelis ?
‘Bugler Swan’ = Cygnus aeneator ? ... This can’t be C. buccinator, which might seem a more obvious answer, because that name’s already in use for the [RL] ‘Trumpeter Swan’.
‘Snowfall Swan’ = Cygnus [what?] ?
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Postby Gigaverse » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:39 pm

Bears Armed wrote:More taxonomic help requested, please:

‘Loyal Swan’, or ‘Fidelity Swan’ = Cygnus fidelis ?
‘Bugler Swan’ = Cygnus aeneator ? ... This can’t be C. buccinator, which might seem a more obvious answer, because that name’s already in use for the [RL] ‘Trumpeter Swan’.
‘Snowfall Swan’ = Cygnus [what?] ?

Your inputs for the first two are both OK. For the third, I'm not quite sure, since to translate something as precise in English as "snowfall" you might need a Contemporary Latin-styled compound - nivicasus may be rather forced, so I don't know if you want to take that. Alternatively, you can always choose from these.
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